Yeah, and "The IDF says it is coordinating its action with the US." Not what Trump is saying.
"Ahead of the Israeli strikes, the US notified several allies in private on Thursday that Israeli strikes were imminent and made clear it was not involved, one of the Axios sources said."
How does the US long-standing total allegiance to Israel play into this? A US president, LBJ, has committed treason for Israel. The US has supported the genocide since 1948 and before without hesitation. Now Trump is called upon to start a war for the sake of Israel. I get the geopolitical aspect of this, but isn't Israel begging to be destroyed?
We lose all the way around we can’t win against anyone at this point because our military is not what it wants was. We haven’t had the kind of overwhelming military since the 1960s and we could not even win in Vietnam..
The one thing that will happen if Trump starts war with Iran is where will the price of oil go? The entire Middle East will be shut down to tanker traffic. What is the estimate of where Oil will go? Three or $400 a barrel or more? Overnight gasoline prices here and everywhere else will go up through the roof..
Can you imagine the war breaks out you go to fill up your car and all of a sudden gas is $30-$40 a gallon . The entire western economies would be devastated. All investments would be devastated. The standard of living for the west would dramatically drop overnight. The entire supply chain would be wrecked and can you imagine what the price of food will be
At that point, Trump will be run out of office as fast as possible. He will be impeached and this time they will convict him. The public, and even the powers that be in the deep state will not be able to tolerate that type of economic devastation. Overnight or shortly there the unemployment rate could go to between 25% and 50%. Our government could not handle that kind of crisis it might even precipitate a collapse of it.
So you have to wonder what kind of logic these people have in thinking that they will attack around and take out their nuclear facilities when we now know they are deep underground and embedded rock and we have no bombs that could even penetrate that.
Also, I will go back to a point I’ve made many times before other places bombing alone will not ensure victory . we have known this since the Air Force did a strategic after World War II study of bombing and concluded that bombing alone will not bring any enemy to its knees that it has to be backed up by a land force to finish the job.
We do not have the ability to put a force on the ground of at least 250,000 soldiers added personnel much less maintained a communications and supply line to make it work. We do not have the resources any longer.
I will agree with the sentiment and the article that it will be a catastrophic failure. Trump will be forced out of office immediately. Did we get to be stuck with JD Vance and what is he going to do? He certainly won’t be able to continue those kind of policies. There will be a Teutonic shift in foreign policy. Israel will become a pariah to the world. We will no longer be supporting them under any circumstances.
In addition, we will have no choice, but to except terms from Russia on Ukraine and Eastern Europe. And one thing that will come back to haunt Europe is the fact that they let the United States blow up the Nordstrom pipelines. Europe, as a whole has no energy sources to sustain it. United States might be able to ramp up production to offset some stuff. In the end for the western democracies, it will be a disaster of such epic proportions. Trump will be vilified in history forever.
I've been looking at Trump's new deal with China. It appears that we go back to the previous deal, except Trump will concede on export of sensitive tech to China. In other words, we tried to game the Chinese and end up with a worse deal than we started with.
European central banks are on the brink of collapse due to Russia's continuing success on the battlefield in Ukraine. Only a major war can deflect attention away from their impending bankruptcy and provide cover for a monetary reset. For some strange reason, they think they can manage a limited war and avoid a nuclear Armageddon. Failing this, they will foment violent civil unrest that may enable imposition of Authoritarian rule and population subjugation. The manufactured riots in LA are a manifestation of this Plan B. Trump is intentionally maxing out his Crazy Eddy routine as a stalling tactic which keeps everyone off-balance and hopefully postpones the false flag ops that are sure to come otherwise. Trump is fighting the enemy within, not Russia, China or Iran.
This is what comes of handing over your entire foreign policy to Zionists in Tel Aviv. Trump may or may not want war (who really knows?) but there are so many things that could go wrong here that this is what he may well get. Can one still dream of a strong American leader telling Netanyahu: "Any hint of a move on Iran from you and Israel can say an immediate goodbye to all financial, military and intelligence assistance". I guess not.
Concerning the blockbuster spy news from Taiwan, this passage from a 2016 article of mine might be of some interest:
From what I was told some years ago but have never previously written about, Israel might not have been the only country to use Clinton’s weakness against him. My source is Bernard Yoh, the communications director of the conservative watchdog group in Washington, Accuracy in Media (AIM). Yoh died in late 1995. This is from his New York Times obituary:
"Mr. Yoh first arrived in the United States in 1947. In the late 1950's, he was an adviser to President Ngo Dinh Diem of South Vietnam and helped form and equip a counterinsurgency force, the Sea Swallows, operating behind Vietcong lines.
"Returning to the United States in 1963, he settled in the Washington area and commuted to Montgomery, Ala., to lecture on counterinsurgency and psychological warfare at the Air War College. He joined Accuracy in Media in 1974."
It sounds like he might be a pretty solid source for what he told me. His source, he said, was someone working for the intelligence service of the government of Nationalist China in Taipei. That source told him, said Yoh, that when Clinton was governor of Arkansas he led a trade mission to Taipei and while there he made his own characteristic contribution to the local economy by patronizing the “swankiest brothel” that the city had to offer. That brothel, said Yoh’s source, was penetrated by mainland Chinese intelligence, which had installed videotaping equipment there, and they had obtained some choice shots of Bill in flagrante delicto. They had later informed Clinton of what they had and had been holding it over his head ever since, that is to say, they were using the tape to blackmail him. Perhaps here we have one explanation for all the economic cozying up to China that this country did during the years of the Clinton presidency.
With all that has been coming to light (and purposely not coming to light) about Jeffrey Epstein's sexual blackmail operation, that article probably needs to be updated.
Dave, do you have any info as to Epstein's cooperation with Mossad? I have Whitney Webb's book, "One Nation Under Blackmail." Jaw dropping info covering Robert Maxwell and Mossad and PROMIS.
If you have that book I don’t think I know anything that you don’t. The big thing that I’ve just begun to realize is that the notion that Epstein was ever any sort of financial magnate was just a big ruse. He was never about anything other than sex and blackmail, it would appear.
As Secretary of state Hillary! bcc'd every single official email to the Chinese Military. The Clinton foundation raked in tons of Chinese Cash. Al Gore was swimming in dirty Chinese money. Barack Obama's grandmother was a big deal in the Lippo Group, a Chinese banking cartel in Indonesia. All commerce with China at the time went through the People's Liberation Army minister Li Kai-Shing. Obama was just one of a number of Manchurian candidates. I'd bet any senator puts their hands in their pockets and jing a ling ling, there's a whole pocketful of Chinese money.
----"""Donald Trump apparently has decided to attack Iran. Mark this date. It is the beginning of the end of the Trump Presidency."""
Larry is incorrect, but for the correct reason. I had previously stated that reason among many.
Donald Trump will not attack Iran because he can not attack Iran - it is a no win situation for Donald Trump.
What will probably happen is Israel will do a nominal or minimal attack - hoping for an Iran reaction desperately hoping for Iran over-reaction, to draw the US in. Israel is desperate to provoke an Iran attack, this would bring in military assistance from US - but more importantly the Money Would Flow. Do not forget how broke Israel is - and Trump needs a reason to send them $ 100 billion he has to explain it to tax payers.
But Iran will not give it to them. Iran will access damages, and simultaneously go to Russia and China and the UN under Article 51 then respond appropriately and proportionally, if they respond at all [ depends on damage Israel does].
If Iran will counter, their strongest counter is just like before with notification to the UN and the US ahead of time. Iran will not bring in the US if they can help it.
Furthermore Iran's best counter is sending 150 geran decoy drones, not armed, and forcing US and Israel [ Jordan Egypt allow airport runs] to waste a billion shooting down decoys.
------------------------ US has no possible victory in Iran and they know it.
Israel could launch and attack and would end up just like the last one did a couple of months ago. They’ll never get close enough to Iran to do any damage. They actually seem to have a very good early warning defense system.
Israel, Jets, or never be able to penetrate that system without them, losing planes and pilots .
Now we all seem to be thinking that some type of rationale will take hold and Trump and others will pull back from the brink and won’t go any further . How many times in history has worked out?
If you want to see an interesting scenario, I would suggest you read Annie Jacobson‘s book that came out a few months ago called Nuclear War: A Scenario. An extremely well research book with interviews and information that have not previously ever been put out there on the perils and realities of what would happen under a nuclear attack and in her scenario it’s only a single nuclear missile heading to the United States that causes worldwide annihilation because of mistakes and not knowing what is going on.
I can easily see where the neocons and pro Israel supporters might get rabid enough to cause a Middle East war. What if there are those who help precipitate such a war and they don’t tell the president and all of a sudden he’s committed?
I think Trump wants to believe that he himself is some great leader and perhaps harbors a desire to be a great war leader except it won’t work out for him. It’ll be a disaster.
Somebody responded to a comment I made earlier about having to put an army on the ground in Iran after a massive vomiting campaign. I said we didn’t have the military to do it and I still believe that but the commentor made reference to the fact that in the second gulf we were able to overrun Iraq fairly easily. This is not going to be the case with Iran under any circumstances. The last great time we were able to put together an army to invade was the first gulf war, but it took months to assemble all of those forces against Iraq. This time around, we’re not gonna have months to stage an army to go into Iran. The technology today is so far advanced from where we were in 1990 that there is no comparison.
We now are in the age of hypersonic missiles. Russia has the kinetic bomb. we could not even defeat Yemen with all of the technology we had and the B2 bomber force. Iran could have easily destroyed our entire B2 fleet on Diego Garcia if they had been of a mind to do so.
The only thing we can hope for is that Trump will not be reckless and fall into the trap that Israel wants us to fall into which is we must go after Iran. Trying to go ran would be like trying to go into Afghanistan again very large country here very mountainous and the advantage would be for Iran to use gorilla tactics if we try to invade on land.
Obviously, from what has been discussed there nuclear facilities and power plants are deeply embedded in the mountains, and no bombing attack especially a single bombing attack is going to make one difference in what’s going on there.
Now the other thing I thought about is that we have the hysteria about Iran having a nuclear ability. Yet we have tolerated Pakistan, India, Israel, and even North Korea having nuclear weapons. The Jeannie in the bottle has been out since Trinity in 1945 and we’re not gonna put it back. so we either make a reasonable deal with Iran or do we just go toward absolute catastrophe?
When many of the actors aren't rational. DJT might not want war, but Netanyahu and the zionists do. And they have both the power to "convince" DJT and all US pols and if that fails, launch their own attack on Iran, knowing that Trump won't be able to resist joining in.
Mark: """"The alternative limb that I went out on yesterday is that this is all a major, highly choreographed, bluff to coerce Iran into a bad deal. """"
agreed wholeheartedly I was just providing some detail I considered
Thanks Mark - I read a lot. Trump is all bluster, chest pounding to try to get better terms with Iran. As I stated month(s) ago before Yemen ended --- Yemen is Existential --- and Yemen was indeed Existential.
Yemen was a slap in the face waking up the US to the fact that a small Country like Yemen could counter and force the US out of the Red Sea - so think what Iran could do.
If US attacked Iran not only would Iran counter, but Yemen was probably supplied numerous missles earmarked for Israel in the case Israel were to attack Iran and Iran were to counter. So Israel would be facing missiles from two regions simultaneously and not able to defend - impossible to defend. Israel is overextended in Syria Lebanon Gaza etc... they are weak because they took too big a bite. Taking on more opponents overextends a bankrupt ( morally and financially) nation even further.
You would have to expect that Iran would regard Trump's words over the last few days as running cover for Israel.
IAF launches major strike on Iran’s nuclear program
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog-june-12-2025/
Yeah, and "The IDF says it is coordinating its action with the US." Not what Trump is saying.
"Ahead of the Israeli strikes, the US notified several allies in private on Thursday that Israeli strikes were imminent and made clear it was not involved, one of the Axios sources said."
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/israel-launches-airstrikes-tehran-stock-futures-plunge-oil-and-gold-soar
Who knew Iran was keeping their nukes in residential buildings?
Always keep in my these Israeli’s are supremacists and lie as easily as they steal.
Putin Reminds West That Russia Has World's Most Advanced Nuclear Weapons
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/putin-reminds-west-russia-has-worlds-most-advanced-nuclear-weapons
How does the US long-standing total allegiance to Israel play into this? A US president, LBJ, has committed treason for Israel. The US has supported the genocide since 1948 and before without hesitation. Now Trump is called upon to start a war for the sake of Israel. I get the geopolitical aspect of this, but isn't Israel begging to be destroyed?
Trump won’t let it happen. He’s the peace deal President.
Uh oh, wait'll Trump finds out what Netanyahu just did. And, what did Jared know and when did he know it.
He’s the “peace deal President.” There, I fixed it. 🙂
Thanks Arse!
We lose all the way around we can’t win against anyone at this point because our military is not what it wants was. We haven’t had the kind of overwhelming military since the 1960s and we could not even win in Vietnam..
The one thing that will happen if Trump starts war with Iran is where will the price of oil go? The entire Middle East will be shut down to tanker traffic. What is the estimate of where Oil will go? Three or $400 a barrel or more? Overnight gasoline prices here and everywhere else will go up through the roof..
Can you imagine the war breaks out you go to fill up your car and all of a sudden gas is $30-$40 a gallon . The entire western economies would be devastated. All investments would be devastated. The standard of living for the west would dramatically drop overnight. The entire supply chain would be wrecked and can you imagine what the price of food will be
At that point, Trump will be run out of office as fast as possible. He will be impeached and this time they will convict him. The public, and even the powers that be in the deep state will not be able to tolerate that type of economic devastation. Overnight or shortly there the unemployment rate could go to between 25% and 50%. Our government could not handle that kind of crisis it might even precipitate a collapse of it.
So you have to wonder what kind of logic these people have in thinking that they will attack around and take out their nuclear facilities when we now know they are deep underground and embedded rock and we have no bombs that could even penetrate that.
Also, I will go back to a point I’ve made many times before other places bombing alone will not ensure victory . we have known this since the Air Force did a strategic after World War II study of bombing and concluded that bombing alone will not bring any enemy to its knees that it has to be backed up by a land force to finish the job.
We do not have the ability to put a force on the ground of at least 250,000 soldiers added personnel much less maintained a communications and supply line to make it work. We do not have the resources any longer.
I will agree with the sentiment and the article that it will be a catastrophic failure. Trump will be forced out of office immediately. Did we get to be stuck with JD Vance and what is he going to do? He certainly won’t be able to continue those kind of policies. There will be a Teutonic shift in foreign policy. Israel will become a pariah to the world. We will no longer be supporting them under any circumstances.
In addition, we will have no choice, but to except terms from Russia on Ukraine and Eastern Europe. And one thing that will come back to haunt Europe is the fact that they let the United States blow up the Nordstrom pipelines. Europe, as a whole has no energy sources to sustain it. United States might be able to ramp up production to offset some stuff. In the end for the western democracies, it will be a disaster of such epic proportions. Trump will be vilified in history forever.
I've been looking at Trump's new deal with China. It appears that we go back to the previous deal, except Trump will concede on export of sensitive tech to China. In other words, we tried to game the Chinese and end up with a worse deal than we started with.
Fortunately, Israeli nukes won't reach North America.
Iranian hypersonics, however, loaded with highly enriched "dirty bombs", can make short work of tiny Israel.
European central banks are on the brink of collapse due to Russia's continuing success on the battlefield in Ukraine. Only a major war can deflect attention away from their impending bankruptcy and provide cover for a monetary reset. For some strange reason, they think they can manage a limited war and avoid a nuclear Armageddon. Failing this, they will foment violent civil unrest that may enable imposition of Authoritarian rule and population subjugation. The manufactured riots in LA are a manifestation of this Plan B. Trump is intentionally maxing out his Crazy Eddy routine as a stalling tactic which keeps everyone off-balance and hopefully postpones the false flag ops that are sure to come otherwise. Trump is fighting the enemy within, not Russia, China or Iran.
This is what comes of handing over your entire foreign policy to Zionists in Tel Aviv. Trump may or may not want war (who really knows?) but there are so many things that could go wrong here that this is what he may well get. Can one still dream of a strong American leader telling Netanyahu: "Any hint of a move on Iran from you and Israel can say an immediate goodbye to all financial, military and intelligence assistance". I guess not.
Concerning the blockbuster spy news from Taiwan, this passage from a 2016 article of mine might be of some interest:
From what I was told some years ago but have never previously written about, Israel might not have been the only country to use Clinton’s weakness against him. My source is Bernard Yoh, the communications director of the conservative watchdog group in Washington, Accuracy in Media (AIM). Yoh died in late 1995. This is from his New York Times obituary:
"Mr. Yoh first arrived in the United States in 1947. In the late 1950's, he was an adviser to President Ngo Dinh Diem of South Vietnam and helped form and equip a counterinsurgency force, the Sea Swallows, operating behind Vietcong lines.
"Returning to the United States in 1963, he settled in the Washington area and commuted to Montgomery, Ala., to lecture on counterinsurgency and psychological warfare at the Air War College. He joined Accuracy in Media in 1974."
It sounds like he might be a pretty solid source for what he told me. His source, he said, was someone working for the intelligence service of the government of Nationalist China in Taipei. That source told him, said Yoh, that when Clinton was governor of Arkansas he led a trade mission to Taipei and while there he made his own characteristic contribution to the local economy by patronizing the “swankiest brothel” that the city had to offer. That brothel, said Yoh’s source, was penetrated by mainland Chinese intelligence, which had installed videotaping equipment there, and they had obtained some choice shots of Bill in flagrante delicto. They had later informed Clinton of what they had and had been holding it over his head ever since, that is to say, they were using the tape to blackmail him. Perhaps here we have one explanation for all the economic cozying up to China that this country did during the years of the Clinton presidency.
https://www.dcdave.com/article5/160728.htm
With all that has been coming to light (and purposely not coming to light) about Jeffrey Epstein's sexual blackmail operation, that article probably needs to be updated.
Dave, do you have any info as to Epstein's cooperation with Mossad? I have Whitney Webb's book, "One Nation Under Blackmail." Jaw dropping info covering Robert Maxwell and Mossad and PROMIS.
If you have that book I don’t think I know anything that you don’t. The big thing that I’ve just begun to realize is that the notion that Epstein was ever any sort of financial magnate was just a big ruse. He was never about anything other than sex and blackmail, it would appear.
As Secretary of state Hillary! bcc'd every single official email to the Chinese Military. The Clinton foundation raked in tons of Chinese Cash. Al Gore was swimming in dirty Chinese money. Barack Obama's grandmother was a big deal in the Lippo Group, a Chinese banking cartel in Indonesia. All commerce with China at the time went through the People's Liberation Army minister Li Kai-Shing. Obama was just one of a number of Manchurian candidates. I'd bet any senator puts their hands in their pockets and jing a ling ling, there's a whole pocketful of Chinese money.
NETANYAHU v. IRAN
Miracle Max: Have fun storming the castle!
Miracle Mac's wife: You think they can do it?
Miracle Max: It would take a miracle.
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----"""Donald Trump apparently has decided to attack Iran. Mark this date. It is the beginning of the end of the Trump Presidency."""
Larry is incorrect, but for the correct reason. I had previously stated that reason among many.
Donald Trump will not attack Iran because he can not attack Iran - it is a no win situation for Donald Trump.
What will probably happen is Israel will do a nominal or minimal attack - hoping for an Iran reaction desperately hoping for Iran over-reaction, to draw the US in. Israel is desperate to provoke an Iran attack, this would bring in military assistance from US - but more importantly the Money Would Flow. Do not forget how broke Israel is - and Trump needs a reason to send them $ 100 billion he has to explain it to tax payers.
But Iran will not give it to them. Iran will access damages, and simultaneously go to Russia and China and the UN under Article 51 then respond appropriately and proportionally, if they respond at all [ depends on damage Israel does].
If Iran will counter, their strongest counter is just like before with notification to the UN and the US ahead of time. Iran will not bring in the US if they can help it.
Furthermore Iran's best counter is sending 150 geran decoy drones, not armed, and forcing US and Israel [ Jordan Egypt allow airport runs] to waste a billion shooting down decoys.
------------------------ US has no possible victory in Iran and they know it.
Bottom line.
................................
Israel could launch and attack and would end up just like the last one did a couple of months ago. They’ll never get close enough to Iran to do any damage. They actually seem to have a very good early warning defense system.
Israel, Jets, or never be able to penetrate that system without them, losing planes and pilots .
Now we all seem to be thinking that some type of rationale will take hold and Trump and others will pull back from the brink and won’t go any further . How many times in history has worked out?
If you want to see an interesting scenario, I would suggest you read Annie Jacobson‘s book that came out a few months ago called Nuclear War: A Scenario. An extremely well research book with interviews and information that have not previously ever been put out there on the perils and realities of what would happen under a nuclear attack and in her scenario it’s only a single nuclear missile heading to the United States that causes worldwide annihilation because of mistakes and not knowing what is going on.
I can easily see where the neocons and pro Israel supporters might get rabid enough to cause a Middle East war. What if there are those who help precipitate such a war and they don’t tell the president and all of a sudden he’s committed?
I think Trump wants to believe that he himself is some great leader and perhaps harbors a desire to be a great war leader except it won’t work out for him. It’ll be a disaster.
Somebody responded to a comment I made earlier about having to put an army on the ground in Iran after a massive vomiting campaign. I said we didn’t have the military to do it and I still believe that but the commentor made reference to the fact that in the second gulf we were able to overrun Iraq fairly easily. This is not going to be the case with Iran under any circumstances. The last great time we were able to put together an army to invade was the first gulf war, but it took months to assemble all of those forces against Iraq. This time around, we’re not gonna have months to stage an army to go into Iran. The technology today is so far advanced from where we were in 1990 that there is no comparison.
We now are in the age of hypersonic missiles. Russia has the kinetic bomb. we could not even defeat Yemen with all of the technology we had and the B2 bomber force. Iran could have easily destroyed our entire B2 fleet on Diego Garcia if they had been of a mind to do so.
The only thing we can hope for is that Trump will not be reckless and fall into the trap that Israel wants us to fall into which is we must go after Iran. Trying to go ran would be like trying to go into Afghanistan again very large country here very mountainous and the advantage would be for Iran to use gorilla tactics if we try to invade on land.
Obviously, from what has been discussed there nuclear facilities and power plants are deeply embedded in the mountains, and no bombing attack especially a single bombing attack is going to make one difference in what’s going on there.
Now the other thing I thought about is that we have the hysteria about Iran having a nuclear ability. Yet we have tolerated Pakistan, India, Israel, and even North Korea having nuclear weapons. The Jeannie in the bottle has been out since Trinity in 1945 and we’re not gonna put it back. so we either make a reasonable deal with Iran or do we just go toward absolute catastrophe?
All very rational.
When many of the actors aren't rational. DJT might not want war, but Netanyahu and the zionists do. And they have both the power to "convince" DJT and all US pols and if that fails, launch their own attack on Iran, knowing that Trump won't be able to resist joining in.
Mark: """"The alternative limb that I went out on yesterday is that this is all a major, highly choreographed, bluff to coerce Iran into a bad deal. """"
agreed wholeheartedly I was just providing some detail I considered
Thanks Mark - I read a lot. Trump is all bluster, chest pounding to try to get better terms with Iran. As I stated month(s) ago before Yemen ended --- Yemen is Existential --- and Yemen was indeed Existential.
Yemen was a slap in the face waking up the US to the fact that a small Country like Yemen could counter and force the US out of the Red Sea - so think what Iran could do.
If US attacked Iran not only would Iran counter, but Yemen was probably supplied numerous missles earmarked for Israel in the case Israel were to attack Iran and Iran were to counter. So Israel would be facing missiles from two regions simultaneously and not able to defend - impossible to defend. Israel is overextended in Syria Lebanon Gaza etc... they are weak because they took too big a bite. Taking on more opponents overextends a bankrupt ( morally and financially) nation even further.
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The U.S. will very likely fight a 3-front war against Russia, China and Iran, Palantir’s Alex Karp says
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/u-very-likely-fight-3-172859123.html
Article is from August 2024... but I doubt Karp has changed his mind on any point therein expressed.
“Are we tough enough to scare our adversaries so we don’t go to war? Do the Chinese, Russians and Persians think we’re strong?”
Spoken like a true Neocon. Delusional.
I know, but it's the mindset.
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BREAKING: NETANYAHU:
“If we fall…and that won’t happen, but if we do fall, many parts of the world will fall with us.”
Sounds like the threat of someone holding hostages: “If I go, they go with me!” Guess that makes us the hostages.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_Option
Xactly
The square mile of London me hopes