Zerohedge has picked up on this story that I wrote about yesterday, citing the original source: Indiana life insurance CEO says deaths are up 40% among people ages 18-64 (a very full review of what’s going on at present).
You might be surprised by how little that 40% means in raw numbers. I sent the ZH article to an actuary who said this, and it seems right t me: "Mark: If we extrapolate my ONE MILLION example/assumption, to 100 MILLION Employees around the country, my
numbers would be 80,000 expected deaths and 40% more would be 30,000 EXTRA # of deaths over the past year, TIMES 2 pandemic years.
Or, if we extrapolate to 150 MILLION employees it'd be 45,000 increase in deaths per year over the past 2 years.
That's NOT a ridiculously high number, GIVEN we're TOLD Covid-19 caused 800,000 extra deaths over the past 2 years.
Sure, the Covid 800,000 "supposed" deaths were probably MUCH MORE centered around people over age 65.
So if there are unexplained, Employee "extra" deaths of 30,000 or 45,000 per year over the past two years, that does not sound to me to be to be
an astoundingly high, 3 sigma, one in a hundred year number. Rather, it's not a surprisingly high expected # of additional deaths, not huge,
given the significantly BAD economic upheaval over the past 2 years."
I disagree. Based on past studies we should have seen excess deaths at the height of the economic closures in 2020, yet they never materialized. To claim today that an increase in deaths isn’t a big gross number is something I deeply disagree with. The same logic could be used to justify the deaths of 25,000 extra kids. It can be used to justify any and every mass casualty event and it’s a very dangerous slippery slope.
I happen to think the move to homeschooling is an overlooked primary driver of workforce reduction. It’s not necessarily all moms - dads and grandparents might be stepping back From full time work as well. There are likely hundreds of thousands waiting out the mandates too.
I’m not claiming the excess deaths are driving the employment participation decline. But the numbers are very meaningful. A death increase 4 x a 1 in 200 year event, and 12 x the normal deviation, is a meaningful and significant tragedy. I’m sorry, but this is what the actuaries do…….. confirmed by increases in all cause mortality across the western world.
Knowing 3 fathers, active, healthy, working, and 2 were college athletes (not football), who left behind wives and children, this is devastating. A material increase in the death rate of working age adults is devastating. While the stress may play a role, the unwillingness to consider the likelihood a mass experiment of vaccination technology that has failed in every clinical trial for decades baffles the mind.
There was never a 40% uptick in working age deaths during the far worse economic upheaval just over a decade ago. Blaming the economy without considering the vaccinations is like Pfizer calling the permanent disability of a then 12-year old trial participate “moderate stomach pain.” Saying it over and over doesn’t make it true.
NCMom, I think you are missing the actuary's point. It's not that excess deaths don't matter much or are not huge, it's that they are not large compared to the COVID deaths. Given that there is a huge amount of uncertainty about how many deaths are properly classified as COVID deaths, the number of excess deaths is likewise subject to a huge amount of uncertainty.
But again--consider the demographic under discussion *here* and compare that to the demographic profile of those who account for the overwhelming majority of Covid deaths.
When the Italian gov't did a deep analysis of all of Italy's "covid deaths" they found that only 2.8% of them were deaths that could actually be attributed to the covid-19 virus. The huge majority of them were italian seniors who died of heart disease or diabetes or cancer and who just incidentally happened to have tested positive for the covid-19 virus. Assuming human beings in the U.S. are similar to those in Italy, that 2.8% would mean that only about 23,000 of those "covid deaths" were actually people who died of covid-19. An increase of 45,000 deaths seems a lot more significant in comparison to that, doesn't it?
They exceed total WITH Covid deaths for the under 65, and massively exceed FROM.
Days/ Weeks/ Months of life lost far exceed Covid where the average age of death = average age of Covid deaths. A full 40% of Covid deaths were in nursing homes where people are already at the end of life. It is very different to lose four weeks or four months if life, where the true tragedy was people dying alone, than to lose four decades or more of life.
I don’t miss the point, the analysis misses the nuance that matters.
75% of the 200K “Covid” deaths in that age took place this year. 75% were also concentrated in the oldest of the working age groups. The average age of these deaths is around 62. These include both from and with Covid.
Based on most studies this puts 20 months of Covid deaths in that age actually FROM Covid at around 20,000 over 20 months. 2,000/ month heavily weighted towards older people within the range. The deaths are inexplicable weighted towards 2021. People simply ignore those who died post shot, but were considered “unvaccinated” because they tested positive less than two weeks after the second shot. The upticks in deaths in this age track vaccination in this age - skyrocketing with delta and mandate threats.
How do numbers people ignored is the well documented, replicated, drastic increased risk of Covid death from Covid caught within days of being jabbed…….. in every age group?
Excess mortality numbers of 40,000 deaths is in the last 6 months spread more evenly across the 18-65 age bracket is It did NOT exist in all of 2020. Now we are looking at an average rate of about 6,600 excess non-Covid deaths with an average age of 40.
I am trying to understand the demanding as well - which is why the nuance of who is dying, why, when, and from what matters so greatly.
And it matters that “Covid deaths,” complications shutdowns, shock, and stress did not lead to any excess mortality in the 2021 calendar year for any age group of working aged adults. Yet it went up in 2021 and drastically so the last 6 months.
If not the vaccines, what explanation do you have for 2021 that didn’t exist in 2020?
And it’s dangerous to fail to consider the vaccines with well documented increases in risk with each jab, a definition of “vaccinated” that will soon include 3 shots despite lack of controlled studies v the unvaccinated, and the potential for exponential risk with each consecutive shot. Some are threatening annual mRNA shots forever.
If it doesn’t matter at 40K, when will it? 400K? 4million????
We look to data for early warning signs of a problem - like a 40% n reader in all cause mortality in an age group that doesn’t normally die at particularly high rates. That warning process is pointless if the reaction is to dismiss the warnings until the bodies literally start piling up in the streets……
You switched the preposition to "from". Again, if the analysis done by the Italian gov't is even close to apt in describing the situation here then those 200,000 deaths were "with" covid. Only a very small portion were "from" covid.
I would certainly argue that a 40% increase for a two quarter period, as compared to historical standards, is certainly ridiculously high. Note the language of the insurance CEO, who certainly wouldn't be mouthing off just for the shock value--that would be way out of character:
'the highest death rates we have seen in the history of this business'
'huge, huge numbers'
'primarily working-age people 18 to 64'
“Just to give you an idea of how bad that is, a three-sigma or a one-in-200-year catastrophe would be 10% increase over pre-pandemic,” he said. “So 40% is just unheard of.”
I don't think it's unreasonable to rephrase "just unheard of" as "ridiculously high". It's also important to bear in mind what the CEO is implying re the impact of this increase in mortality: It's hitting working age people. People either in the prime of life, their most productive years, or entering into adult life, or mentoring their successors. He specifically notes that this isn't simply an increase in death among those who are already waiting for God.
Mark Glennon, sounds like narrative shaping to me. 800k "extra" deaths is your tell. The term of art is Excess deaths, and if you were paying attention you would know that there were no excess deaths in 2020. Zero. Kinda blows up your story. So if you want to talk actual actuarial science, we're all ears, but the above is BS.
Please chill a bit. Mark Glennon is putting in the long hours doing the Lord's work in IL, winkling out the stats, getting info and data to the public. I disagree with the actuary, but it's not a question of Mark not paying attention. He wants to understand, like the rest of us.
Mark and Hemsley, no worries. That's what these discussions are for. Also note that I was just reporting one actuary's response, not trying to spin any narrative, and he is very accomplished as well as somebody who agrees with most people here on most issues. I think the whole issue of excess deaths is fantastically complicated. (I do understand what that means though the actuary was not specific). At Wirepoints where I work we spent lots of time trying to figure it out and concluded that there are so many factors pushing and pulling in different directions, so much play in the numbers, and so much still unknown that we did not feel comfortable drawing any conclusions yet. I have sent the article to two other actuaries I respect and will report if they have anything interesting to add.
Life insurance isn’t a big thing in lower vaccinated countries - and those who have it there are far more likely to be vaccinated. I’m a pure blood in the “country club zoom class.” And yes, I know of 4 middle aged people who have just dropped dead since October 1. The single female might have had nothing to do with the shot - she had some previously thought to be non-lethal heart issues. The other 3? All healthy and active men between 41 and 50 with zero pre-existing conditions. All husbands and fathers of young children. All tragic. And it’s a statistical impossibility they all really just dropped dead “naturally.” Two brain bleeds and one catastrophic heart attack. While those things can happen, not 3 in 3 months in a single social circle.
Exactly. And everyone I know also knows other middle aged dead people I don’t know and haven’t heard of. I’d love to find a study at some funeral homes or even just picking 3 mid-sized counties of various vaccination rates and counting resident death certificates for those under 65 for 5 years. Considering how relatively rare those deaths are, it wouldn’t be that much work. The records would be in by mid February. Just go count 2017-2021. A statistician can find 3 with similar age, income, health, and growth profiles with different vaccination rates. Lots of counties to choose from with 500K-1million residents around the country.
Probably some Deep State meetings taking place to manufacture talking points to counter this unforeseen and in-your-face development.
The typical routine is: MSM ignores until the story can no longer be ignored. This is followed by a misdirection play where a government official says an investigation is needed that will take months just to make the story go away - all with the willing assistance of the compliant MSM. Meanwhile, government 'enforcers' move to keep other insurance companies from commenting on or releasing further data that supports the initial story out of Indiana.
It will only be through alternative media that the truth will be exposed. Sounds like another Project Veritas assignment.
Biden, Beccera, Fauci, the FDA, the WHO guy that is running unopposed for another term: "But ... but ... but ... we didn't know. It's Trump's fault for pushing Operation Warp Speed!"
Spoiler: They Know - all except Biden maybe. No wonder the FDA is trying to stall releasing the data on the vaccines for 75 years.
I don't think any of them planned on getting caught. I think they truly believe that when they do it it's not a crime. It's not fraud, it's not murder. In for a rude awakening. A well-deserved rude awakening.
President Trump's actions were consistent with what had to be done to deal with a panic the media was creating. Under the circumstances it would seem that at least a partial shutdown had to be enforced until things clarified, and if a vaccine was called for, at least get it done quickly. Then you keep track of the situation and if needs be, hold the pharmaceutical companies feet to the fire. His level-headed suggestions for treating people and disinfecting surfaces were ridiculed as horse medicine and treating people internally with bleach. If politics and profits demand it, our current regime and the media would rather people die. This will not be forgotten, nor forgiven.
I'm going to take a leap of faith here and trust that the people who read this excellent substack and comment are truly open minded and not like the Covidiots and Zombies who cling to their narrative no matter what. Because.....
I have been waiting for someone, anyone out in Patriot Land to give a good explanation for Trump's complicity in these Death Jabs. And no matter how sincerely we want to believe that Trump is a good guy and smart and canny and all the rest, if we're truly objective we have to admit that the evidence on this Death Jabs and Warp Speed is damning. I read so many comments that bend over backwards to excuse Trump and justify him and even make him out to be a genius for rolling out these Death Jabs. Do we realize how much this sounds like a cult of personality? We can't be like the bad guys and only call out wrongdoing when it's done by the other side while excusing the wrong done by our own. We shouldn't be afraid to call out Trump on the Death Jabs. Let the chips fall as they say. It shouldn't shatter our world to realize that Trump screwed up. He got played by the Gangsters under enormous pressure of the Scamdemic. He must however give an account for his errors. He has to face the families of those tens if thousands who died from the Death Jabs he was partly responsible for. And when he does an interview with Candace Owens and doubles down on the Death Jabs and Warp Speed that needs to be called out too. If we don't hold Trump to the same standard then we're no better than the mindless Obama cult or Hillary cult etc... We are not worshipers of Trump. We worship God and hold all to the truth. There is no room for excusing Trump for: 1) failing to insist on life saving off label treatments like HCQ and ivermectin; 2) allowing the federal mandated treatment protocol to include ventillators and Remdesivir long after it was clear how deadly these are; 3) pushing through an experimental gene therapy disguised as a virus for injection into vulnerable populations with only 6 months of shoddy biased corrupted trials --- see RFK book, see Robert Malone, see Canadian care video.
There is no, good excuse for this in 2020. And for him to double down in December 2021 in the face of undeniable death and disabling injuries from the Death Jabs is inexcusable. So let's grow up. We don't depend upon any man or woman for salvation. We are not a Trump cult. There is no justification for unleashing Death Jabs on us all.
Ginned up: as one who understood full well from 2016-2020 that Donald Trump's general agenda of "each nation's elected officials should try their best to serve their own nation well" beat the living hell out of the Hillary Clinton / Democratic Party alternative of "the only good America is a dead America," and who therefore desperately wanted him to succeed in this agenda (and don't even get me started on how badly he got screwed over from well before his first day in office right through the entire 2020 election season and beyond - no one will argue that case more forcefully than me), it's to your credit that you see the Trump/jab issue as clearly as it seems to me you do. I completely agree, so thanks for expressing it so well. (And it's to Mark's credit that free wheeling debate like this is so welcome on his site. No taboos as long as one argues in good faith and with adult reasoning - what more could be asked for?)
I've felt strongly from the first days of the Trump Admin that he (and more importantly, the nation and all the world) was being served extremely poorly by those who, instead of trying to push him away from directions that we all agreed served no good cause well, waived it all off as the actions of some sort of super genius we mere mortals were simply too small-minded to be able to comprehend. Or as an issue of, "you either mindlessly back his every move or it will be your fault when he fails." It was a scary thing to witness then; it's a scary thing to witness now.
Never has an American president so badly needed so much tough love from his most ardent supporters. Never has one ever gotten so little. Yet this same damn band plays on, greasing the skids to future Trump, and American, failure.
Donald Trump's enemies are legion, that's for sure. The worst way possible to fight those enemies is through blind loyalty blinding him from his equally legion lapses of sound, thoughtful, well-informed judgment.
That seems to be the quandary we're in now. Most of us expected that the 2020 Theft would be exposed and overturned somehow in 2021. Trump would be back by March. By May. August when the AZ audit bkew the lid off and dominoes and and and...Red October etc...That obviously didn't happen so patriots are searching for the next move. Many continue to put their faith in federal elections and are busily diagnosing 2022 and even 2024.
I suspect, based upon the way Trump was blocked while President and then removed by blatant electoral treason, that a return to a free country is only through calamity and much non-electoral redress. State elections may still have value in some places but we are undeniably in the grip of a Criminal Cartel that cannot be removed or even reined in by electoral means. If Trump couldn't do it 2017-2020, when the Cartel was at least pretending to abide some Constitutional norms, who is going to do it now? I fear it's going to come down to a battle between a Lenin and a Franco/Caesar. (Best case a Washington/ Lincoln). We may hate both choices but when all peaceful means of change have been destroyed (as they certianly have) the opposing camps will resort to force eventually and will inevitably put someone at the top to command their forces, someone w the proverbial iron fist. Whether we recover our freedoms is sheer guesswork .
And big props to Mark for his indulgence. We all feel strongly. We care deeply about our nation. Civil discourse is paramount to find our way.
I will preface my remarks with a quote from President Trump in what he referred to as his most important speech. ""If we don’t root out the fraud, the tremendous and horrible fraud that’s taken place in our 2020 election, we don’t have a country anymore." He has mentioned borders also as essential to a country.
I will add another quote from President Lincoln on General Grant when he was informed of the General's defects: "I need this man. He fights."
Never having run a corporation or country, nor lead an Army in battle, and considering myself totally unqualified to do so, I can nevertheless appreciate the stress and difficulties associated with these tasks, Mistakes will be made but responsibility for the overall health of the organization is paramount. A child of the Great Depression, I have witnessed many changes, but none so profound as what has happened so recently. My country is slipping away from me under my eyes, and there is no public figure other than Donald J. Trump who even talks of this as a problem, and even of the urgency of repairing this. There will be ample time to address the mistakes made with Covid, and assign responsibility where it belongs, but if this Country of the people, by the people and for the people ceases to exist it will all be academic.
While I am frustrated on the jabs from Trump, and hold him accountable for not more forcefully pushing back, I disagree on many of your points.
First, warp speed was also about treatments like monoclonal antibodies and other therapeutics.
Second, Trump was a huge proponent of right to try and was actually destroyed for promoting treatments early that have now proven effective - HCQ, ivermectin, vitamins, and even sanitation (mouthwash and providone iodine nasal sprays not only help immensely, but are effectively sanitizing the oral and nasal cavities). Trump isn’t a doctor and early on he had no way of knowing ventilators would kill - no one did.
So ultimately, Trump is far from perfect, but he openly, actively, and repeatedly pushed for the very things you are now accusing him of ignoring.
It’s wrong to treat any human as some cult idol, but the revisionist history your engaging in by denying Trump’s forceful pushes for the specific therapeutics you know false deny him pushing us equally wrong.
Sorry NC but it's not revisionist history. You may charge me w being selective in what I emphasize but i note that you do not deny or even try to justify the horrible decision to roll out genetic mod therapy with completely rigged and rushed testing. If you have read the RFK book, listened to Malone, Dr. Martin, bad cattitude, Dr. McCullough and the other experts, these genetic therapies were nowhere near ready for use as some kind of phony vaxx. There were doctors early on showing Preventive and outpatient treatments but Trump ignored them.
You are wrong about ventilators. Very early on in 2020 doctors diagnosed the cause of death from thrombosis in the lungs (ie lungs cannot transfer oxygen to the bloodstream). It's been long accepted medical practice that you don't force air into lungs w ventilators in these conditions yet that's exactly what the CMS was under Trump. The fact that you offer the "he's not a doctor" excuse is evidence that you've lost perspective on Trump. Honestly, neither you nor I would excuse Obama or Biden or Hillary w similar excuses. ("Don't blame Biden for the disastrous Afghanistan withdrawal. He's not a general..."). No. He is the top executive and responsible. He's responsible for putting a known crook like Fauci in charge of the Wuflu response for crying out loud. He brought in Dr. Atlas but didn't give him the authority to make a difference. As for hcq and ivermectin, he quickly backed off of them when he caught heat. As a result, thousands of people died because he didn't force the CMS to include them in treatment protocols. Worse he allowed these life saving meds to be banned and doctors threatened w losing their license if they dared prescribe them.
I'm glad we can all agree that Trump's current Death Jab boosterism is abhorrent at least.
Thanks SB! I have read all of the Devolution series back when it was setting the patriot sites ablaze. I'm genuinely glad you brought it up because it perfectly illustrates a mindset we all need to adopt-- one that is extremely difficult as it requires a nimble and open mind: consider everything as possible but distrust everything until proven.
In other words, we need a mind that can hold even contrary thoughts as possibilities while we weigh them and other competing voices and sift for the truth. Unfortunately many patriots run from personality to personality, hoping they've found the one truth teller. Our brains hate unresolved tension. That's why there's so much hero worship and cult of personality. We gravitate to certainty, even against reason and facts.
So, Devolution. Is it possible? Patel puts up some good arguments and there are some strange things that went on w all tbe executive orders and it ties in w some of the Q drops and such. But something doesn't add up to me. (For example, the combatant commands are all supposed to be in on the plan but we see them do things contrary to the plan. Also, contrary events are always explained away as being part of the larger, deeper, more sophisticated plan that us plebes can't comprehend. This is grifter talk and a big red flag. And it's also a flag for me when i hear people doing the same for Trump. I'd much rather have people honestly admit to a screw up then deny it or justify it w ludicrous rationalizations).
I'm more concerned with what he's saying now. Does he not know any better? Also, his actions in September of 2019. Quote from Dr David Martin below:
“And this is one that’s going to be awkward for many of you to embrace, but I don’t care, because sometimes, we have to embrace a hard truth: On September 18, 2019…the World Health Organization, in their Global Preparedness Monitoring Board gathering, got together and said that we need to create a global simulation of the release of a respiratory pathogen, which was going to go from September of 2019 to September of 2020. A global campaign.
“The day after that document was published, President Donald Trump signed this Executive Order [13887] and I want you to read what’s in this Executive Order. These vaccine platform technologies include DNA, mRNA, virus-like S-particles, vector-based and self-assembling nanoparticle vaccines.
“The day after the Chinese, the NIAID, the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, in criminal conspiracy, in interlocking directorates, in racketeering, declared…war on the world, Donald Trump signed an executive order actually mandating that the toxin be released on the public. Right there it is, in his Executive Order.
“Now, listen to what I have to say: Did he premeditate that Executive Order? No. But we must be careful, People, because it doesn’t matter which one among us stands in positions of authority. We must embrace the reality that if we are not accountable for every word that we say, every action we take, we open up ourselves to compromise and if we are going to win the campaign for the hearts and minds and livelihood and soul of this country, we must commit ourselves to absolute integrity. No exceptions. Zero exceptions.
I share your concern about Trump today and what he’s focusing on. I just don’t extend that to a dystopian revision of what he actually said and did while in office.
Reading the Great ReSet is a half comical, half terrifying exercise. It’s so heavy on propaganda that it should be clear to anyone a bunch of rich old men that fancy themselves super geniuses want to enslave the world to their idiotic theories as they grow irrelevant as individuals. The power they have makes it terrifying. It’s insane. And it’s right there easy to find. It must make Orwell turn in his grace that a bunch of unimaginably rich people are bragging about making everyday westerners poorer to make a “more equal” society. The world would be better off if they’d stop expanding the victims of their social experiments. They’ve spent decades keeping poor countries poor with handouts and NGOs and now they seek to expand that destruction to rich countries. And they proudly post this bs online!!!
I absolutely agree on Trump’s current comments. While hindsight can provide clarity, I don’t think it deserves revision of actual recorded facts. At best, we could have clarity on motives, but that’s still speculation.
Unless Ron Johnson runs for President, or Dr Malone, or RFK (and RFK could actually do it), no one is forcefully pushing back on vaccine harm except actual scientists, Substack journalist, Epoch Times, and the minority of us in the public who haven’t joined the Covid cult.
If incrementalism is what we can get, I’m not willing to sacrifice that progress for a better option that only exist in theory and won’t be appearing on any actual ballot. 🤷♀️
Yes, but I am losing faith in Trump. He is t getting ahead of this. Because he also isn’t into mandates Id still support him over most Republicans and 100% of Democrats, but I’d feel better if he’d stop sticking his head in the sand on the harm the vaccines are causing the working age, even if they are truly beneficial for the high risk elderly.
I've been most puzzled by Trump's more recent comments. First, he says that people who have recovered from Covid (like he did) don't need the vaccine because they have natural immunity. Then, we hear he got the jab. On more than one occasion, he derided "boosters" as a scam being pushed by Big Pharma. Next thing you know, he's announced he got the booster, and everyone else should too. Something very weird is going on with him.
Yes, very very strange. And it comes on the heels of the UK trotting out Tony Blair from mothballs to go all rah rah for the Death Jabs. Coincidence? I'm wondering if the gangsters finally got something on Trump or his kids and he's being compromised. He was a rock of Gibraltar from 2015 to 2019. Then 2020 and since...he suddenly caves on certain subjects. I don't know how else to credibly explain it.
I’ve thought from the beginning that his Covid response was completely out of character. And now…all I can picture is Bill Gates or whoever telling him, “Keep touting the jabs or we kill your kids.” I’m having a hard time coming up with a better answer for his recent behavior.
Right. He doesn't seem to get that this could all come back to bite him in the ass--Big Time. He's trying to score short term points based on polling when he needs to be playing more of a long game.
Agree. He needs to be out there reminding people warp speed was far more than just vaccines and he did push for right to try for HCQ and ivermectin. In a weird way he poorly articulated but ultimately pushed the theory behind the nasal sprays and mouthwashes that sanitize the nasal and oral cavities reducing replication in those key areas.
I still lean towards the vaccines being a net positive for the genuinely old and at risk for a limited period of time (though far from convinced).
I’ll take a never-mandate politician over a mandate totalitarian politician any day - at least the anti-mandate people let us make our own decisions.
But I’m very confused as to Trump’s silence on the other aspects of warp speed and only pushing back on vaccine mandates.
I hope it’s the long game, but I’m not sure I have that much faith in any public figure.
Maybe he is playing the long game, clandestinely. This is too important an issue to be concerned with short-term popularity, or even a place in the history books. I see no signs he is concerned with "short term points based on polling."
Just to clarify. Shortly after the 2020 election there were posts on the internet such as one by J. E. Dyer on the 'key supporting effort' and others indicating that President Trump had been using the world's best intelligence services (NOT the FBI or CIA) to collect information on what happened. Why has nothing happened since? Sources have suggested that the Country is not yet ready for the revolutionary effect these revelations would produce. I would further quote Napoleon: "Do not interfere when the enemy is destroying themselves." One can hope.
https://rwmalonemd.substack.com/p/what-if-the-largest-experiment-on
You might be surprised by how little that 40% means in raw numbers. I sent the ZH article to an actuary who said this, and it seems right t me: "Mark: If we extrapolate my ONE MILLION example/assumption, to 100 MILLION Employees around the country, my
numbers would be 80,000 expected deaths and 40% more would be 30,000 EXTRA # of deaths over the past year, TIMES 2 pandemic years.
Or, if we extrapolate to 150 MILLION employees it'd be 45,000 increase in deaths per year over the past 2 years.
That's NOT a ridiculously high number, GIVEN we're TOLD Covid-19 caused 800,000 extra deaths over the past 2 years.
Sure, the Covid 800,000 "supposed" deaths were probably MUCH MORE centered around people over age 65.
So if there are unexplained, Employee "extra" deaths of 30,000 or 45,000 per year over the past two years, that does not sound to me to be to be
an astoundingly high, 3 sigma, one in a hundred year number. Rather, it's not a surprisingly high expected # of additional deaths, not huge,
given the significantly BAD economic upheaval over the past 2 years."
I disagree. Based on past studies we should have seen excess deaths at the height of the economic closures in 2020, yet they never materialized. To claim today that an increase in deaths isn’t a big gross number is something I deeply disagree with. The same logic could be used to justify the deaths of 25,000 extra kids. It can be used to justify any and every mass casualty event and it’s a very dangerous slippery slope.
I happen to think the move to homeschooling is an overlooked primary driver of workforce reduction. It’s not necessarily all moms - dads and grandparents might be stepping back From full time work as well. There are likely hundreds of thousands waiting out the mandates too.
I’m not claiming the excess deaths are driving the employment participation decline. But the numbers are very meaningful. A death increase 4 x a 1 in 200 year event, and 12 x the normal deviation, is a meaningful and significant tragedy. I’m sorry, but this is what the actuaries do…….. confirmed by increases in all cause mortality across the western world.
Knowing 3 fathers, active, healthy, working, and 2 were college athletes (not football), who left behind wives and children, this is devastating. A material increase in the death rate of working age adults is devastating. While the stress may play a role, the unwillingness to consider the likelihood a mass experiment of vaccination technology that has failed in every clinical trial for decades baffles the mind.
There was never a 40% uptick in working age deaths during the far worse economic upheaval just over a decade ago. Blaming the economy without considering the vaccinations is like Pfizer calling the permanent disability of a then 12-year old trial participate “moderate stomach pain.” Saying it over and over doesn’t make it true.
NCMom, I think you are missing the actuary's point. It's not that excess deaths don't matter much or are not huge, it's that they are not large compared to the COVID deaths. Given that there is a huge amount of uncertainty about how many deaths are properly classified as COVID deaths, the number of excess deaths is likewise subject to a huge amount of uncertainty.
But again--consider the demographic under discussion *here* and compare that to the demographic profile of those who account for the overwhelming majority of Covid deaths.
Very true, and that is key. About 200K covid deaths so far for age 18-65, if you believe official numbers.
When the Italian gov't did a deep analysis of all of Italy's "covid deaths" they found that only 2.8% of them were deaths that could actually be attributed to the covid-19 virus. The huge majority of them were italian seniors who died of heart disease or diabetes or cancer and who just incidentally happened to have tested positive for the covid-19 virus. Assuming human beings in the U.S. are similar to those in Italy, that 2.8% would mean that only about 23,000 of those "covid deaths" were actually people who died of covid-19. An increase of 45,000 deaths seems a lot more significant in comparison to that, doesn't it?
Sure does.
A pretty smart guy's take:
https://rwmalonemd.substack.com/p/what-if-the-largest-experiment-on
They exceed total WITH Covid deaths for the under 65, and massively exceed FROM.
Days/ Weeks/ Months of life lost far exceed Covid where the average age of death = average age of Covid deaths. A full 40% of Covid deaths were in nursing homes where people are already at the end of life. It is very different to lose four weeks or four months if life, where the true tragedy was people dying alone, than to lose four decades or more of life.
I don’t miss the point, the analysis misses the nuance that matters.
200,000 reported deaths from covid so far for age 18-65. I am not trying to deny the issue of excess deaths, I am trying to understand its dimensions.
75% of the 200K “Covid” deaths in that age took place this year. 75% were also concentrated in the oldest of the working age groups. The average age of these deaths is around 62. These include both from and with Covid.
Based on most studies this puts 20 months of Covid deaths in that age actually FROM Covid at around 20,000 over 20 months. 2,000/ month heavily weighted towards older people within the range. The deaths are inexplicable weighted towards 2021. People simply ignore those who died post shot, but were considered “unvaccinated” because they tested positive less than two weeks after the second shot. The upticks in deaths in this age track vaccination in this age - skyrocketing with delta and mandate threats.
How do numbers people ignored is the well documented, replicated, drastic increased risk of Covid death from Covid caught within days of being jabbed…….. in every age group?
Excess mortality numbers of 40,000 deaths is in the last 6 months spread more evenly across the 18-65 age bracket is It did NOT exist in all of 2020. Now we are looking at an average rate of about 6,600 excess non-Covid deaths with an average age of 40.
I am trying to understand the demanding as well - which is why the nuance of who is dying, why, when, and from what matters so greatly.
And it matters that “Covid deaths,” complications shutdowns, shock, and stress did not lead to any excess mortality in the 2021 calendar year for any age group of working aged adults. Yet it went up in 2021 and drastically so the last 6 months.
If not the vaccines, what explanation do you have for 2021 that didn’t exist in 2020?
And it’s dangerous to fail to consider the vaccines with well documented increases in risk with each jab, a definition of “vaccinated” that will soon include 3 shots despite lack of controlled studies v the unvaccinated, and the potential for exponential risk with each consecutive shot. Some are threatening annual mRNA shots forever.
If it doesn’t matter at 40K, when will it? 400K? 4million????
We look to data for early warning signs of a problem - like a 40% n reader in all cause mortality in an age group that doesn’t normally die at particularly high rates. That warning process is pointless if the reaction is to dismiss the warnings until the bodies literally start piling up in the streets……
You switched the preposition to "from". Again, if the analysis done by the Italian gov't is even close to apt in describing the situation here then those 200,000 deaths were "with" covid. Only a very small portion were "from" covid.
"That's NOT a ridiculously high number ..."
I would certainly argue that a 40% increase for a two quarter period, as compared to historical standards, is certainly ridiculously high. Note the language of the insurance CEO, who certainly wouldn't be mouthing off just for the shock value--that would be way out of character:
'the highest death rates we have seen in the history of this business'
'huge, huge numbers'
'primarily working-age people 18 to 64'
“Just to give you an idea of how bad that is, a three-sigma or a one-in-200-year catastrophe would be 10% increase over pre-pandemic,” he said. “So 40% is just unheard of.”
I don't think it's unreasonable to rephrase "just unheard of" as "ridiculously high". It's also important to bear in mind what the CEO is implying re the impact of this increase in mortality: It's hitting working age people. People either in the prime of life, their most productive years, or entering into adult life, or mentoring their successors. He specifically notes that this isn't simply an increase in death among those who are already waiting for God.
Mark Glennon, sounds like narrative shaping to me. 800k "extra" deaths is your tell. The term of art is Excess deaths, and if you were paying attention you would know that there were no excess deaths in 2020. Zero. Kinda blows up your story. So if you want to talk actual actuarial science, we're all ears, but the above is BS.
Please chill a bit. Mark Glennon is putting in the long hours doing the Lord's work in IL, winkling out the stats, getting info and data to the public. I disagree with the actuary, but it's not a question of Mark not paying attention. He wants to understand, like the rest of us.
My apologies to Mark, I'm just really really tired of the gaslighting. Steve Kirsch seems to be entering the fray .
Mark and Hemsley, no worries. That's what these discussions are for. Also note that I was just reporting one actuary's response, not trying to spin any narrative, and he is very accomplished as well as somebody who agrees with most people here on most issues. I think the whole issue of excess deaths is fantastically complicated. (I do understand what that means though the actuary was not specific). At Wirepoints where I work we spent lots of time trying to figure it out and concluded that there are so many factors pushing and pulling in different directions, so much play in the numbers, and so much still unknown that we did not feel comfortable drawing any conclusions yet. I have sent the article to two other actuaries I respect and will report if they have anything interesting to add.
I would expect Steve to be totally all over this.
And it's not just working people:
https://www.lifesitenews.com/opinion/these-12-teens-were-murdered-by-covid-jabs/
Massacre of the innocents: VAERS database shows teen deaths from Pfizer jab
It is hard to believe that the criminal COVID enterprise has kept this death campaign going so long.
Life insurance isn’t a big thing in lower vaccinated countries - and those who have it there are far more likely to be vaccinated. I’m a pure blood in the “country club zoom class.” And yes, I know of 4 middle aged people who have just dropped dead since October 1. The single female might have had nothing to do with the shot - she had some previously thought to be non-lethal heart issues. The other 3? All healthy and active men between 41 and 50 with zero pre-existing conditions. All husbands and fathers of young children. All tragic. And it’s a statistical impossibility they all really just dropped dead “naturally.” Two brain bleeds and one catastrophic heart attack. While those things can happen, not 3 in 3 months in a single social circle.
Made Guy Tony says those are just anecdotes. But anecdotes keep adding up.
Exactly. And everyone I know also knows other middle aged dead people I don’t know and haven’t heard of. I’d love to find a study at some funeral homes or even just picking 3 mid-sized counties of various vaccination rates and counting resident death certificates for those under 65 for 5 years. Considering how relatively rare those deaths are, it wouldn’t be that much work. The records would be in by mid February. Just go count 2017-2021. A statistician can find 3 with similar age, income, health, and growth profiles with different vaccination rates. Lots of counties to choose from with 500K-1million residents around the country.
I say "Made Guy" as in a Made Guy for The Outfit: Big Pharma.
Probably some Deep State meetings taking place to manufacture talking points to counter this unforeseen and in-your-face development.
The typical routine is: MSM ignores until the story can no longer be ignored. This is followed by a misdirection play where a government official says an investigation is needed that will take months just to make the story go away - all with the willing assistance of the compliant MSM. Meanwhile, government 'enforcers' move to keep other insurance companies from commenting on or releasing further data that supports the initial story out of Indiana.
It will only be through alternative media that the truth will be exposed. Sounds like another Project Veritas assignment.
To save any other baffled person the time searching, "$PFE" means Pfizer stock.
Thanks, from one of the baffled.
Don't forget the folks at MRNA too.
Both great targets for a Big Short.
Biden, Beccera, Fauci, the FDA, the WHO guy that is running unopposed for another term: "But ... but ... but ... we didn't know. It's Trump's fault for pushing Operation Warp Speed!"
Spoiler: They Know - all except Biden maybe. No wonder the FDA is trying to stall releasing the data on the vaccines for 75 years.
"No wonder the FDA is trying to stall releasing the data on the vaccines for 75 years."
Go figure, right?
I don't think any of them planned on getting caught. I think they truly believe that when they do it it's not a crime. It's not fraud, it's not murder. In for a rude awakening. A well-deserved rude awakening.
President Trump's actions were consistent with what had to be done to deal with a panic the media was creating. Under the circumstances it would seem that at least a partial shutdown had to be enforced until things clarified, and if a vaccine was called for, at least get it done quickly. Then you keep track of the situation and if needs be, hold the pharmaceutical companies feet to the fire. His level-headed suggestions for treating people and disinfecting surfaces were ridiculed as horse medicine and treating people internally with bleach. If politics and profits demand it, our current regime and the media would rather people die. This will not be forgotten, nor forgiven.
I'm going to take a leap of faith here and trust that the people who read this excellent substack and comment are truly open minded and not like the Covidiots and Zombies who cling to their narrative no matter what. Because.....
I have been waiting for someone, anyone out in Patriot Land to give a good explanation for Trump's complicity in these Death Jabs. And no matter how sincerely we want to believe that Trump is a good guy and smart and canny and all the rest, if we're truly objective we have to admit that the evidence on this Death Jabs and Warp Speed is damning. I read so many comments that bend over backwards to excuse Trump and justify him and even make him out to be a genius for rolling out these Death Jabs. Do we realize how much this sounds like a cult of personality? We can't be like the bad guys and only call out wrongdoing when it's done by the other side while excusing the wrong done by our own. We shouldn't be afraid to call out Trump on the Death Jabs. Let the chips fall as they say. It shouldn't shatter our world to realize that Trump screwed up. He got played by the Gangsters under enormous pressure of the Scamdemic. He must however give an account for his errors. He has to face the families of those tens if thousands who died from the Death Jabs he was partly responsible for. And when he does an interview with Candace Owens and doubles down on the Death Jabs and Warp Speed that needs to be called out too. If we don't hold Trump to the same standard then we're no better than the mindless Obama cult or Hillary cult etc... We are not worshipers of Trump. We worship God and hold all to the truth. There is no room for excusing Trump for: 1) failing to insist on life saving off label treatments like HCQ and ivermectin; 2) allowing the federal mandated treatment protocol to include ventillators and Remdesivir long after it was clear how deadly these are; 3) pushing through an experimental gene therapy disguised as a virus for injection into vulnerable populations with only 6 months of shoddy biased corrupted trials --- see RFK book, see Robert Malone, see Canadian care video.
There is no, good excuse for this in 2020. And for him to double down in December 2021 in the face of undeniable death and disabling injuries from the Death Jabs is inexcusable. So let's grow up. We don't depend upon any man or woman for salvation. We are not a Trump cult. There is no justification for unleashing Death Jabs on us all.
Ginned up: as one who understood full well from 2016-2020 that Donald Trump's general agenda of "each nation's elected officials should try their best to serve their own nation well" beat the living hell out of the Hillary Clinton / Democratic Party alternative of "the only good America is a dead America," and who therefore desperately wanted him to succeed in this agenda (and don't even get me started on how badly he got screwed over from well before his first day in office right through the entire 2020 election season and beyond - no one will argue that case more forcefully than me), it's to your credit that you see the Trump/jab issue as clearly as it seems to me you do. I completely agree, so thanks for expressing it so well. (And it's to Mark's credit that free wheeling debate like this is so welcome on his site. No taboos as long as one argues in good faith and with adult reasoning - what more could be asked for?)
I've felt strongly from the first days of the Trump Admin that he (and more importantly, the nation and all the world) was being served extremely poorly by those who, instead of trying to push him away from directions that we all agreed served no good cause well, waived it all off as the actions of some sort of super genius we mere mortals were simply too small-minded to be able to comprehend. Or as an issue of, "you either mindlessly back his every move or it will be your fault when he fails." It was a scary thing to witness then; it's a scary thing to witness now.
Never has an American president so badly needed so much tough love from his most ardent supporters. Never has one ever gotten so little. Yet this same damn band plays on, greasing the skids to future Trump, and American, failure.
Donald Trump's enemies are legion, that's for sure. The worst way possible to fight those enemies is through blind loyalty blinding him from his equally legion lapses of sound, thoughtful, well-informed judgment.
@bc. Thanks.
That seems to be the quandary we're in now. Most of us expected that the 2020 Theft would be exposed and overturned somehow in 2021. Trump would be back by March. By May. August when the AZ audit bkew the lid off and dominoes and and and...Red October etc...That obviously didn't happen so patriots are searching for the next move. Many continue to put their faith in federal elections and are busily diagnosing 2022 and even 2024.
I suspect, based upon the way Trump was blocked while President and then removed by blatant electoral treason, that a return to a free country is only through calamity and much non-electoral redress. State elections may still have value in some places but we are undeniably in the grip of a Criminal Cartel that cannot be removed or even reined in by electoral means. If Trump couldn't do it 2017-2020, when the Cartel was at least pretending to abide some Constitutional norms, who is going to do it now? I fear it's going to come down to a battle between a Lenin and a Franco/Caesar. (Best case a Washington/ Lincoln). We may hate both choices but when all peaceful means of change have been destroyed (as they certianly have) the opposing camps will resort to force eventually and will inevitably put someone at the top to command their forces, someone w the proverbial iron fist. Whether we recover our freedoms is sheer guesswork .
And big props to Mark for his indulgence. We all feel strongly. We care deeply about our nation. Civil discourse is paramount to find our way.
I will preface my remarks with a quote from President Trump in what he referred to as his most important speech. ""If we don’t root out the fraud, the tremendous and horrible fraud that’s taken place in our 2020 election, we don’t have a country anymore." He has mentioned borders also as essential to a country.
I will add another quote from President Lincoln on General Grant when he was informed of the General's defects: "I need this man. He fights."
Never having run a corporation or country, nor lead an Army in battle, and considering myself totally unqualified to do so, I can nevertheless appreciate the stress and difficulties associated with these tasks, Mistakes will be made but responsibility for the overall health of the organization is paramount. A child of the Great Depression, I have witnessed many changes, but none so profound as what has happened so recently. My country is slipping away from me under my eyes, and there is no public figure other than Donald J. Trump who even talks of this as a problem, and even of the urgency of repairing this. There will be ample time to address the mistakes made with Covid, and assign responsibility where it belongs, but if this Country of the people, by the people and for the people ceases to exist it will all be academic.
While I am frustrated on the jabs from Trump, and hold him accountable for not more forcefully pushing back, I disagree on many of your points.
First, warp speed was also about treatments like monoclonal antibodies and other therapeutics.
Second, Trump was a huge proponent of right to try and was actually destroyed for promoting treatments early that have now proven effective - HCQ, ivermectin, vitamins, and even sanitation (mouthwash and providone iodine nasal sprays not only help immensely, but are effectively sanitizing the oral and nasal cavities). Trump isn’t a doctor and early on he had no way of knowing ventilators would kill - no one did.
So ultimately, Trump is far from perfect, but he openly, actively, and repeatedly pushed for the very things you are now accusing him of ignoring.
It’s wrong to treat any human as some cult idol, but the revisionist history your engaging in by denying Trump’s forceful pushes for the specific therapeutics you know false deny him pushing us equally wrong.
Sorry NC but it's not revisionist history. You may charge me w being selective in what I emphasize but i note that you do not deny or even try to justify the horrible decision to roll out genetic mod therapy with completely rigged and rushed testing. If you have read the RFK book, listened to Malone, Dr. Martin, bad cattitude, Dr. McCullough and the other experts, these genetic therapies were nowhere near ready for use as some kind of phony vaxx. There were doctors early on showing Preventive and outpatient treatments but Trump ignored them.
You are wrong about ventilators. Very early on in 2020 doctors diagnosed the cause of death from thrombosis in the lungs (ie lungs cannot transfer oxygen to the bloodstream). It's been long accepted medical practice that you don't force air into lungs w ventilators in these conditions yet that's exactly what the CMS was under Trump. The fact that you offer the "he's not a doctor" excuse is evidence that you've lost perspective on Trump. Honestly, neither you nor I would excuse Obama or Biden or Hillary w similar excuses. ("Don't blame Biden for the disastrous Afghanistan withdrawal. He's not a general..."). No. He is the top executive and responsible. He's responsible for putting a known crook like Fauci in charge of the Wuflu response for crying out loud. He brought in Dr. Atlas but didn't give him the authority to make a difference. As for hcq and ivermectin, he quickly backed off of them when he caught heat. As a result, thousands of people died because he didn't force the CMS to include them in treatment protocols. Worse he allowed these life saving meds to be banned and doctors threatened w losing their license if they dared prescribe them.
I'm glad we can all agree that Trump's current Death Jab boosterism is abhorrent at least.
Here's one hell of a rabbit hole for you...
https://patelpatriot.substack.com/p/devolution-part-15
Thanks SB! I have read all of the Devolution series back when it was setting the patriot sites ablaze. I'm genuinely glad you brought it up because it perfectly illustrates a mindset we all need to adopt-- one that is extremely difficult as it requires a nimble and open mind: consider everything as possible but distrust everything until proven.
In other words, we need a mind that can hold even contrary thoughts as possibilities while we weigh them and other competing voices and sift for the truth. Unfortunately many patriots run from personality to personality, hoping they've found the one truth teller. Our brains hate unresolved tension. That's why there's so much hero worship and cult of personality. We gravitate to certainty, even against reason and facts.
So, Devolution. Is it possible? Patel puts up some good arguments and there are some strange things that went on w all tbe executive orders and it ties in w some of the Q drops and such. But something doesn't add up to me. (For example, the combatant commands are all supposed to be in on the plan but we see them do things contrary to the plan. Also, contrary events are always explained away as being part of the larger, deeper, more sophisticated plan that us plebes can't comprehend. This is grifter talk and a big red flag. And it's also a flag for me when i hear people doing the same for Trump. I'd much rather have people honestly admit to a screw up then deny it or justify it w ludicrous rationalizations).
I'm more concerned with what he's saying now. Does he not know any better? Also, his actions in September of 2019. Quote from Dr David Martin below:
“And this is one that’s going to be awkward for many of you to embrace, but I don’t care, because sometimes, we have to embrace a hard truth: On September 18, 2019…the World Health Organization, in their Global Preparedness Monitoring Board gathering, got together and said that we need to create a global simulation of the release of a respiratory pathogen, which was going to go from September of 2019 to September of 2020. A global campaign.
“The day after that document was published, President Donald Trump signed this Executive Order [13887] and I want you to read what’s in this Executive Order. These vaccine platform technologies include DNA, mRNA, virus-like S-particles, vector-based and self-assembling nanoparticle vaccines.
“The day after the Chinese, the NIAID, the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, in criminal conspiracy, in interlocking directorates, in racketeering, declared…war on the world, Donald Trump signed an executive order actually mandating that the toxin be released on the public. Right there it is, in his Executive Order.
“Now, listen to what I have to say: Did he premeditate that Executive Order? No. But we must be careful, People, because it doesn’t matter which one among us stands in positions of authority. We must embrace the reality that if we are not accountable for every word that we say, every action we take, we open up ourselves to compromise and if we are going to win the campaign for the hearts and minds and livelihood and soul of this country, we must commit ourselves to absolute integrity. No exceptions. Zero exceptions.
https://thedissedent.page/2021/11/14/dr-david-martin-exposes-the-the-great-reset-and-covid19-vaccines-agenda/
I share your concern about Trump today and what he’s focusing on. I just don’t extend that to a dystopian revision of what he actually said and did while in office.
Reading the Great ReSet is a half comical, half terrifying exercise. It’s so heavy on propaganda that it should be clear to anyone a bunch of rich old men that fancy themselves super geniuses want to enslave the world to their idiotic theories as they grow irrelevant as individuals. The power they have makes it terrifying. It’s insane. And it’s right there easy to find. It must make Orwell turn in his grace that a bunch of unimaginably rich people are bragging about making everyday westerners poorer to make a “more equal” society. The world would be better off if they’d stop expanding the victims of their social experiments. They’ve spent decades keeping poor countries poor with handouts and NGOs and now they seek to expand that destruction to rich countries. And they proudly post this bs online!!!
I absolutely agree on Trump’s current comments. While hindsight can provide clarity, I don’t think it deserves revision of actual recorded facts. At best, we could have clarity on motives, but that’s still speculation.
Unless Ron Johnson runs for President, or Dr Malone, or RFK (and RFK could actually do it), no one is forcefully pushing back on vaccine harm except actual scientists, Substack journalist, Epoch Times, and the minority of us in the public who haven’t joined the Covid cult.
If incrementalism is what we can get, I’m not willing to sacrifice that progress for a better option that only exist in theory and won’t be appearing on any actual ballot. 🤷♀️
Either he signed EO 13887 not knowing what he was signing, or he did know. Either way he's got some explaining to do.
Yes, but I am losing faith in Trump. He is t getting ahead of this. Because he also isn’t into mandates Id still support him over most Republicans and 100% of Democrats, but I’d feel better if he’d stop sticking his head in the sand on the harm the vaccines are causing the working age, even if they are truly beneficial for the high risk elderly.
I've been most puzzled by Trump's more recent comments. First, he says that people who have recovered from Covid (like he did) don't need the vaccine because they have natural immunity. Then, we hear he got the jab. On more than one occasion, he derided "boosters" as a scam being pushed by Big Pharma. Next thing you know, he's announced he got the booster, and everyone else should too. Something very weird is going on with him.
Yes, very very strange. And it comes on the heels of the UK trotting out Tony Blair from mothballs to go all rah rah for the Death Jabs. Coincidence? I'm wondering if the gangsters finally got something on Trump or his kids and he's being compromised. He was a rock of Gibraltar from 2015 to 2019. Then 2020 and since...he suddenly caves on certain subjects. I don't know how else to credibly explain it.
I’ve thought from the beginning that his Covid response was completely out of character. And now…all I can picture is Bill Gates or whoever telling him, “Keep touting the jabs or we kill your kids.” I’m having a hard time coming up with a better answer for his recent behavior.
Agree
Right. He doesn't seem to get that this could all come back to bite him in the ass--Big Time. He's trying to score short term points based on polling when he needs to be playing more of a long game.
Agree. He needs to be out there reminding people warp speed was far more than just vaccines and he did push for right to try for HCQ and ivermectin. In a weird way he poorly articulated but ultimately pushed the theory behind the nasal sprays and mouthwashes that sanitize the nasal and oral cavities reducing replication in those key areas.
I still lean towards the vaccines being a net positive for the genuinely old and at risk for a limited period of time (though far from convinced).
I’ll take a never-mandate politician over a mandate totalitarian politician any day - at least the anti-mandate people let us make our own decisions.
But I’m very confused as to Trump’s silence on the other aspects of warp speed and only pushing back on vaccine mandates.
I hope it’s the long game, but I’m not sure I have that much faith in any public figure.
Maybe he is playing the long game, clandestinely. This is too important an issue to be concerned with short-term popularity, or even a place in the history books. I see no signs he is concerned with "short term points based on polling."
I hope you’re right even as I fear he’s not actually putting that much thought into it.
Just to clarify. Shortly after the 2020 election there were posts on the internet such as one by J. E. Dyer on the 'key supporting effort' and others indicating that President Trump had been using the world's best intelligence services (NOT the FBI or CIA) to collect information on what happened. Why has nothing happened since? Sources have suggested that the Country is not yet ready for the revolutionary effect these revelations would produce. I would further quote Napoleon: "Do not interfere when the enemy is destroying themselves." One can hope.