I'd say you have a strong point there, which is probably one reason why Putin isn't in a hurry. Right now we're essentially at the point of agreeing to keep talking. Trump wants to rush this, but that's not Russia's interest.
Tell me Mark, just how does Russia negotiate a new world security regime without directly addressing the rogue perpetrator cum elephant in the room - the CIA.
Putin, when asked who blew up Nord Stream by Tucker Carlson, named the CIA outright. He knows his enemy. Trump also knows the CIA is no friend or servant of his.
Once you have colluded or connived at best, or orchestrated or organized at worst, the murder of your own President, the only way is down - unfortunately taking the rest of the world with them!
One of the deepest and most important threads of info going back to the Kremlin from their DC embassy is without a doubt regular analysis of developments in the US Intel Community--assessments of agency heads like Ratcliffe and Gabbard, evaluation of the impact their reform and reorganization measures will have on relations between the US and the rest of the world. You can bet that volumes have probably been written re the whole USAID thing. They will want to assess how deep the reforms will go and how they will affect ops like Nordstream in the future--will they end, be scaled back, will regime change ops end, etc.
As you said Mark, nothing is cast in stone, but after the dreadful mess of the Biden administration this is a giant breath of fresh air. Real leadership instead of a seemingly endless parade of incompetence, duplicity and deception is a welcome change! If Trump pulls this off, all I can say is WOW.
Just heard LJ talking about why Kellogg wasn't part of the negotiating team. Says it was probably a Russian veto because Kellogg's daughter has been active in Ukraine.
Putin got the US Government (Trump) to the negotiating table. That is a huge win for Russia. And that means a global public forum for presenting the Russian case for a new European Security Agreement. And in particular, making the point that NATO is gradually building missile bases in the Baltic States, Poland, and Romania that can launch nuclear armed missiles at Moscow with a 5 minute flight time to detonation. Hair trigger response time means that accidental nuclear Armageddon is nearly assured. Therefore, it's not about the lithium in Ukraine. And none of this is 5D chess or rocket science. There is a deal to be made, and everyone on the planet wins.
Hegseth gets to the Rutte of the problem, announcing in Brussells: “There will be no NATO membership or NATO security guarantees for Ukraine, neither now nor ever.” Article at MoA.
Hegseth's speech was quite interesting--especially because we know that it had to have been approved by Trump. Every single point he made was a movement in the direction of Moscow's demands. Any caveats were actually setting the table for future concessions.
Well, this counts as real progress after the pathetic posturing of Biden and the Euroweenies. I still think Putin will continue destroying the Ukie armed forces for some time to come, though.
Thank goodness a serious attempt will be made to stop the killing on both sides . There is no doubt "the team" seems to have be carefully assembled by Trump and leaving out , for the moment , those with somewhat dubious backgrounds .
Ned you got this spot on " rejoice - oh ye of little faith " because one way or the other this will happen.
The warmongers will fight these negotiations tooth and nail. We’ll be told Trump is a Putin lover etc. Won’t matter. There will be a settlement soon, which is good news for all those dying and bad news for MIC profits and the Z regime.
I see little to no possibility that Putin would settle Ukraine without Iran considerations and perhaps a written settlement agreement there too. And at this point I surmise China would probably be an equal participant.
Trump will have great difficulty moving on Iran with Ukraine requiring money and weapons; as well China probably feels the same about Taiwan. The three are very close and would be fools to settle independently.
Well I don't want to say Trump won't get an agreement, however,
I will say Trump won't get an agreement
not any time soon without complete capitulation on the terms Putin already set forth.
Recent Historical Context is important 2014 2015 2 022
A. Minsk I Minsk II
B. Viktor Fedorovych Yanukovych democratically elected Ukraine president forced out of office by Nuland and EU
C. French president François Hollande and German chancellor Angela Merkel both of which are said to have undermined Minsk with Merkel reporting in 2022
“The 2014 Minsk agreement was an attempt to give Ukraine time,” Merkel told the weekly Die Zeit. “It also used this time to become stronger, as you can see today.”
- China Global Times offering the East Perspective
Real intention behind Minsk agreements further destroys credibility of the West
By Global Times
Published: Dec 12, 2022
" Merkel's confession about the Minsk agreements also showed that some Western countries, particularly the US, do not honor contractual obligations at all. They can go back on their words so easily.
Very true. The arrogance of Merkel was breath-taking. That's why the Russians will never trust us for the foreseeable future. A deal will be done once Russia has achieved its aims, and it will be a "Here's where you sign" kind of transaction.
Freezing current lines particularly without Odesa will be seen as a failure by the Russian public.
I'd say you have a strong point there, which is probably one reason why Putin isn't in a hurry. Right now we're essentially at the point of agreeing to keep talking. Trump wants to rush this, but that's not Russia's interest.
what I don't see in these discussions is what to do with Zelensky.
Is he the root cause they discuss?
Interesting times indeed.
Tell me Mark, just how does Russia negotiate a new world security regime without directly addressing the rogue perpetrator cum elephant in the room - the CIA.
Putin, when asked who blew up Nord Stream by Tucker Carlson, named the CIA outright. He knows his enemy. Trump also knows the CIA is no friend or servant of his.
Once you have colluded or connived at best, or orchestrated or organized at worst, the murder of your own President, the only way is down - unfortunately taking the rest of the world with them!
One of the deepest and most important threads of info going back to the Kremlin from their DC embassy is without a doubt regular analysis of developments in the US Intel Community--assessments of agency heads like Ratcliffe and Gabbard, evaluation of the impact their reform and reorganization measures will have on relations between the US and the rest of the world. You can bet that volumes have probably been written re the whole USAID thing. They will want to assess how deep the reforms will go and how they will affect ops like Nordstream in the future--will they end, be scaled back, will regime change ops end, etc.
As you said Mark, nothing is cast in stone, but after the dreadful mess of the Biden administration this is a giant breath of fresh air. Real leadership instead of a seemingly endless parade of incompetence, duplicity and deception is a welcome change! If Trump pulls this off, all I can say is WOW.
Just heard LJ talking about why Kellogg wasn't part of the negotiating team. Says it was probably a Russian veto because Kellogg's daughter has been active in Ukraine.
Putin got the US Government (Trump) to the negotiating table. That is a huge win for Russia. And that means a global public forum for presenting the Russian case for a new European Security Agreement. And in particular, making the point that NATO is gradually building missile bases in the Baltic States, Poland, and Romania that can launch nuclear armed missiles at Moscow with a 5 minute flight time to detonation. Hair trigger response time means that accidental nuclear Armageddon is nearly assured. Therefore, it's not about the lithium in Ukraine. And none of this is 5D chess or rocket science. There is a deal to be made, and everyone on the planet wins.
Hegseth gets to the Rutte of the problem, announcing in Brussells: “There will be no NATO membership or NATO security guarantees for Ukraine, neither now nor ever.” Article at MoA.
https://www.moonofalabama.org/2025/02/trump-tells-ukrainian-war-party-that-the-game-is-up.html#more
Hegseth's speech was quite interesting--especially because we know that it had to have been approved by Trump. Every single point he made was a movement in the direction of Moscow's demands. Any caveats were actually setting the table for future concessions.
Well, this counts as real progress after the pathetic posturing of Biden and the Euroweenies. I still think Putin will continue destroying the Ukie armed forces for some time to come, though.
Putin will continue destroying the Ukie forces.... Hope shines eternal.
Euroweenies. LOL.
Thank goodness a serious attempt will be made to stop the killing on both sides . There is no doubt "the team" seems to have be carefully assembled by Trump and leaving out , for the moment , those with somewhat dubious backgrounds .
Ned you got this spot on " rejoice - oh ye of little faith " because one way or the other this will happen.
The warmongers will fight these negotiations tooth and nail. We’ll be told Trump is a Putin lover etc. Won’t matter. There will be a settlement soon, which is good news for all those dying and bad news for MIC profits and the Z regime.
He telephoned Putin. Is he even allowed to do that? :)
Eric Ciaramello was unavailable thank goodness.
LOL My Senator Jeanne Shaheen absolutely forbids it!!😊
Trump has learned to embrace his inner Putin lover. LOL!
I see little to no possibility that Putin would settle Ukraine without Iran considerations and perhaps a written settlement agreement there too. And at this point I surmise China would probably be an equal participant.
Trump will have great difficulty moving on Iran with Ukraine requiring money and weapons; as well China probably feels the same about Taiwan. The three are very close and would be fools to settle independently.
Good point. Putin is a strategist; any deal he agrees to will be holistic, not just based on the Ukraine situation.
Well I don't want to say Trump won't get an agreement, however,
I will say Trump won't get an agreement
not any time soon without complete capitulation on the terms Putin already set forth.
Recent Historical Context is important 2014 2015 2 022
A. Minsk I Minsk II
B. Viktor Fedorovych Yanukovych democratically elected Ukraine president forced out of office by Nuland and EU
C. French president François Hollande and German chancellor Angela Merkel both of which are said to have undermined Minsk with Merkel reporting in 2022
“The 2014 Minsk agreement was an attempt to give Ukraine time,” Merkel told the weekly Die Zeit. “It also used this time to become stronger, as you can see today.”
- China Global Times offering the East Perspective
Real intention behind Minsk agreements further destroys credibility of the West
By Global Times
Published: Dec 12, 2022
" Merkel's confession about the Minsk agreements also showed that some Western countries, particularly the US, do not honor contractual obligations at all. They can go back on their words so easily.
Very true. The arrogance of Merkel was breath-taking. That's why the Russians will never trust us for the foreseeable future. A deal will be done once Russia has achieved its aims, and it will be a "Here's where you sign" kind of transaction.
I wonder what Sebaceous Dorka is thinking about this?
I wonder where Fatty Nuland and the Vindman chumps are?
Outside looking in.
https://x.com/AXChristoforou/status/1889726806267175109
Alex notes no mention of Special K (Kellogg) in the attached.
Oh ye of little faith, rejoice.