I've given up thinking about what would do the most good for the country. There aren't enough public servants with integrity to make a difference. The country is too far gone, and really tough times are coming. I don't even wish on Trump the job to right our country. It will be difficult, thankless and sure to provoke forceful opposition if it is even possible. One can only hope that something can be salvaged after we hit the iceberg. Till then we each and every one of us have a personal responsibility to live a moral life, and ensure the well-being and survival of those near and dear to us.
Re the impact of a Watergate-style impeachment of Zhou and specifically its impact on US support for Ukraine as well as the Ukrainians’ processing this inevitable betrayal, A Mercouris offers great insight from the 52 min point on…
The choices presented: do the right thing for the wrong reason (Kunstler: impeachment of Zhou for a rancid Uniparty deal) versus do the wrong thing for the right reason (VDH: non-impeachment to ensure the elites eat the ugly they created). The choice, I think, depends on the question Mr Wauck highlights: which path holds the most good for the country? Presidential impeachments (Zhou would be our fifth if you count from Watergate = Nixon, Clinton, Trump, Trump, Zhou) have become cheap and frequent affairs. The fact that Zhou's might be the only wholly worthy one is made worse than worthless by the judgment he was so well-known to be rotten he never should have been emplaced to begin with: our elites and their power politics are utterly corrupt and only self-serving. A crap impeachment at the cost of preserving Uniparty corrupt continuity does the country no good, it is a very bad trade-off (weirdly, props so far to Speaker McCarthy for not buying in). On this path, in any event, the Senate will not convict, and so the whole affair would become partisan, further cheapen it's use, and amplify divisions in the nation. Passing on so richly-deserved an impeachment as Zhou's is bitter too, but forces the elites to deal with their tar-baby in full public sight. It is probably the one set of forces that could break the Uniparty (it certainly will break the eGOP, as Trump is the run-away nominee). There is a lot of good for the country along those lines.
Look at it this way. If the presidency has become a front for the political elite and deep state, impeachment may have some value--the Constitution does still vest authority in some areas in the person of the president. Removing Zhou, therefore, strikes at our real enemies. But ... only to a very limited extent. They simply find a replacement, so the victory is fleeting because it takes too much time and political capital to go through the process over and over. That was the importance of Trump as an outside, even if an imperfect outsider.
Trump was imperfect, but I am perfect? All I know is he did all the things I wanted done. Clinton did not, and Obama and Biden only did things I did not want done. Forgive me if I don't have the sophistication to understand political theory, and I choose my President just like I choose my plumber. I only wish everybody else would do the same.
Tha impeachments are the only hope. The Trump cases will take too long, and I mean multiple impeachments, most of which should end in criminal court cases. For sedition, participation in a coup. They need to pay for what they have done. No more nice guy, let’s just hold on till things get better. They will never get better until the people who are using every lie and trick to frame and to jail innocent people are stopped.
As the current regime stonewalls the investigations it faces, the various statute(s) of limitations clock is running. As Leonard Cohen wrote it, "Everybody knows the good guys lost." Even as this stopped-up toilet of an economy--held together with jiggery/pokery and duct tape--approaches November 2024, there will come a financial reckoning. Will it matter at all who occupies the WH?
Now it seems like the "President" is an "honorary" title given to a useless person who pretends to be in charge. The average person seems to be fine with this. Who is actually running the country? I am starting to believe if anyone other than Trump gets in, they will just be a puppet. It is very depressing.
Attorney Sol Weissenberg said the other day that since DOJ dropped charges on Hunter he will be in the clear forever. Weiss won’t do anything. Reading today how Weiss and DOJ are so intertwined it makes sense to go forward with the I inquiry. I tend to agree.
A leisurely inquiry could be good. The amount of material generated over the years is astounding, so may as well linger over it all. I think America needs that.
Back in the day we had saying, “If he was going any slower, he’d be backing up”!
As far as the American people having there noses rubbed in it a little longer, after all that’s gone on, they either don’t mind the smell or shrug their shoulders and say, “what smell?”.
I’m with Marie, it’s very depressing.
It also becomes more apparent every day how Hitler rose to power. I’m dumbfounded by what I see happening in this country and how oblivious people are to the calamity that has already begun to engulf us.
It takes a while to change direction with an oil super tanker, same with our zeitgeist.
Luckily our elites keep on applying steady pressures pushing boundaries, and what is nice about Trump, is he pushes back, which creates lots of attention and moves the Overton windows. It’s a messy process.
That could turn out to be a good way to go, politically. I still tend to the view that the American people need to have their noses rubbed in it longer.
But Maga voters want an impeachment now, and the more Trump is subjected to lawfare the more their anger grows.
The eGOP is risking even more of their credibility with non Maga types.
My gut feeling is a lot of eGOP in congress are going to retire in 2024. Trump will primary them otherwise. Trump seal / authorization for advertising is about control.
Dear Ray-SoCa - my Tea Party / MAGA friends aren't unified on a call for a Zhou impeachment. Yes, peeved, but they see goodness in a Nixonian scenario wherein "a leisurely investigation" is made, but an actual impeachment vote in the House doesn't happen to Zhou. I really like your thinking on retirements / primary risk to eGOP: Trump will remake the GOP, and with that new support, has a shot at next steps with the swamp
and how!! The Democrats also get a lot of eGOP help in their "investigations" (Liz Cheney? really really: smh). It is all Kobuki, and Trump is screwing up their theatrics - bigly!
I can’t express my lack of trust in the house Gop doing any meaningful investigation. They seem so out of touch and risk adverse.
House Investigations that should be open and going full speed are Covid, vaccines (no placebo testing?), jab side effects, Jan 6, promotion to captain of killer of Ashli Babbitt, fbi shootings, tn trans manifesto, Russiagate, Ukraine funding, etc.
ohh, how could I forget - you are right, Johnson was the first, making an impeachment of Zhou #6. Overall, seems as if the impeachment mechanism is reflecting our craptastic federal politics. one side of me thinks the tool is not working as intended, the other side is thinking but it sure is....
Rumor has it that Les Wexner (Victoria's Secret, the guy behind Jeffrey Epstein) is Vivek's biggest campaign supporter. I haven't researched it, but shouldn't be that difficult.
While I too wish such a thing would happen, it seems to me that hoping for the Rs to work for for the things you list isn't a whole lot different from hoping the Ds will do it. The uniparty is a real thing, and if the Rs were actually the sort of people who would work for election security, against abuse of power, etc, they would already have done it forever ago.
Nearly every national-level R is bought and paid for by very bad people, so the only way out of this, imo, is through putting in better people in the primaries. Otherwise, we're just hoping that bad people in office controlled by bad people out of office will somehow turn on a dime and start doing good things, and that just isn't gonna happen.
I’m sorta in agreement, the longer Biden stays in place the clearer the choices in 2024 becomes. I hold little hope of election security coming out of congress, as I believe many are in place because of cheating themselves Governor Kemp I’m convinced is there because of it. That’s why Stacy was so adamant she had won. She knew her side was cheating, she just couldn’t conceive that Kemp/Raffensperger had outcheated her.
“Father?” You probably mean “father,” whose obvious parental neglect has led to monetary enrichment for the family and damaging addictions for his “son.”
“he said/she said” - Comer doesn’t traffic in gossip, rather bank statements and witness testimony (Archer, Bobulinski, for example).
“it isn’t useful discussion” What is then? Getting Trump, I would imagine!
I was being a bit sarcastic there - I agree with you. Looking at the recent swing state polls, it seems the more they batter him, the stronger he becomes - to the point even some Dems, according to a recent Glenn Reynolds piece, claim to support Trump’s policies, just not his “personality.” Gee, thanks guys…
The Democrats want a deal for Biden to resign and pardon his family. And all the dirt on Biden leaking is deliberate pressure to force him out. Or at a minimum say he’s not running for reelection.
Biden’s wife and family enjoy the power and perks, so they are unwilling to give up the Presidency.
Dear FreeFrench - my hunch as to why Zhou is still there? Because if you pull on his thread, the vast depth and breadth of corrupt US power politics gets exposed: Congress, the three, four, and five letter departments, the judiciary, the state-house feeder farms and all their enablers. Each of everyone has kompromat on a somebody else in the rotten racket, hence the omerta. I think your pressure point theory is sound ("watch them go after key Republicans"), but I also think the Kamala problem they made is why we haven't seen pardons for the first family and Zhou's resignation. What is the modus vivendi to get her to step aside? No way to control who would replace her as VP either. The Dem's options are all very poor: lose, steal, work with eGOP for a third Trump impeachment, cancel election (steal by coup). The eGOP's are also poor: lose to Trump, support a Dem steal, deepen the mess by supporting a third Trump impeachment. No way to slice it other than 2024 is a harbinger of change
Poor eGOP…
Trump To GOP: Impeach “The BUM” Biden Or “Fade Into Oblivion”
“THEY DID IT TO US!”
https://summit.news/2023/08/28/trump-to-gop-impeach-the-bum-biden-or-fade-into-oblivion/
I've given up thinking about what would do the most good for the country. There aren't enough public servants with integrity to make a difference. The country is too far gone, and really tough times are coming. I don't even wish on Trump the job to right our country. It will be difficult, thankless and sure to provoke forceful opposition if it is even possible. One can only hope that something can be salvaged after we hit the iceberg. Till then we each and every one of us have a personal responsibility to live a moral life, and ensure the well-being and survival of those near and dear to us.
Re the impact of a Watergate-style impeachment of Zhou and specifically its impact on US support for Ukraine as well as the Ukrainians’ processing this inevitable betrayal, A Mercouris offers great insight from the 52 min point on…
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zrpFsIr_wfs&list=UUwGpHa6rMLjSSCBlckm5khw
The choices presented: do the right thing for the wrong reason (Kunstler: impeachment of Zhou for a rancid Uniparty deal) versus do the wrong thing for the right reason (VDH: non-impeachment to ensure the elites eat the ugly they created). The choice, I think, depends on the question Mr Wauck highlights: which path holds the most good for the country? Presidential impeachments (Zhou would be our fifth if you count from Watergate = Nixon, Clinton, Trump, Trump, Zhou) have become cheap and frequent affairs. The fact that Zhou's might be the only wholly worthy one is made worse than worthless by the judgment he was so well-known to be rotten he never should have been emplaced to begin with: our elites and their power politics are utterly corrupt and only self-serving. A crap impeachment at the cost of preserving Uniparty corrupt continuity does the country no good, it is a very bad trade-off (weirdly, props so far to Speaker McCarthy for not buying in). On this path, in any event, the Senate will not convict, and so the whole affair would become partisan, further cheapen it's use, and amplify divisions in the nation. Passing on so richly-deserved an impeachment as Zhou's is bitter too, but forces the elites to deal with their tar-baby in full public sight. It is probably the one set of forces that could break the Uniparty (it certainly will break the eGOP, as Trump is the run-away nominee). There is a lot of good for the country along those lines.
Look at it this way. If the presidency has become a front for the political elite and deep state, impeachment may have some value--the Constitution does still vest authority in some areas in the person of the president. Removing Zhou, therefore, strikes at our real enemies. But ... only to a very limited extent. They simply find a replacement, so the victory is fleeting because it takes too much time and political capital to go through the process over and over. That was the importance of Trump as an outside, even if an imperfect outsider.
Trump was imperfect, but I am perfect? All I know is he did all the things I wanted done. Clinton did not, and Obama and Biden only did things I did not want done. Forgive me if I don't have the sophistication to understand political theory, and I choose my President just like I choose my plumber. I only wish everybody else would do the same.
Bravo Perle - you’ve said it with your typical simplicity, wisdom and moral courage!
Tha impeachments are the only hope. The Trump cases will take too long, and I mean multiple impeachments, most of which should end in criminal court cases. For sedition, participation in a coup. They need to pay for what they have done. No more nice guy, let’s just hold on till things get better. They will never get better until the people who are using every lie and trick to frame and to jail innocent people are stopped.
As the current regime stonewalls the investigations it faces, the various statute(s) of limitations clock is running. As Leonard Cohen wrote it, "Everybody knows the good guys lost." Even as this stopped-up toilet of an economy--held together with jiggery/pokery and duct tape--approaches November 2024, there will come a financial reckoning. Will it matter at all who occupies the WH?
https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/recent-mask-mandates-lifted-amid-pushback
Now it seems like the "President" is an "honorary" title given to a useless person who pretends to be in charge. The average person seems to be fine with this. Who is actually running the country? I am starting to believe if anyone other than Trump gets in, they will just be a puppet. It is very depressing.
Exactly!
Attorney Sol Weissenberg said the other day that since DOJ dropped charges on Hunter he will be in the clear forever. Weiss won’t do anything. Reading today how Weiss and DOJ are so intertwined it makes sense to go forward with the I inquiry. I tend to agree.
A leisurely inquiry could be good. The amount of material generated over the years is astounding, so may as well linger over it all. I think America needs that.
I see McCarthy doing impeachment at the slowest possible rate that allows him to stay speaker.
Back in the day we had saying, “If he was going any slower, he’d be backing up”!
As far as the American people having there noses rubbed in it a little longer, after all that’s gone on, they either don’t mind the smell or shrug their shoulders and say, “what smell?”.
I’m with Marie, it’s very depressing.
It also becomes more apparent every day how Hitler rose to power. I’m dumbfounded by what I see happening in this country and how oblivious people are to the calamity that has already begun to engulf us.
It takes a while to change direction with an oil super tanker, same with our zeitgeist.
Luckily our elites keep on applying steady pressures pushing boundaries, and what is nice about Trump, is he pushes back, which creates lots of attention and moves the Overton windows. It’s a messy process.
That could turn out to be a good way to go, politically. I still tend to the view that the American people need to have their noses rubbed in it longer.
Agreed.
EGOP is finding every excuse to dodge the issue to keep the uniparty gravy train going, without endangering their re-election.
https://babylonbee.com/news/mccarthy-says-783rd-impeachable-offense-by-biden-will-be-the-last-straw/
But Maga voters want an impeachment now, and the more Trump is subjected to lawfare the more their anger grows.
The eGOP is risking even more of their credibility with non Maga types.
My gut feeling is a lot of eGOP in congress are going to retire in 2024. Trump will primary them otherwise. Trump seal / authorization for advertising is about control.
Dear Ray-SoCa - my Tea Party / MAGA friends aren't unified on a call for a Zhou impeachment. Yes, peeved, but they see goodness in a Nixonian scenario wherein "a leisurely investigation" is made, but an actual impeachment vote in the House doesn't happen to Zhou. I really like your thinking on retirements / primary risk to eGOP: Trump will remake the GOP, and with that new support, has a shot at next steps with the swamp
I have seen so many gop investigations that were a cover up and fizzled. Benghazi under Trey Gowdy), Guns to Mexico, House Server fiasco, etc.
The Democrats, when they are out for blood, know how to run an investigation in the house.
and how!! The Democrats also get a lot of eGOP help in their "investigations" (Liz Cheney? really really: smh). It is all Kobuki, and Trump is screwing up their theatrics - bigly!
I pray they are…
I can’t express my lack of trust in the house Gop doing any meaningful investigation. They seem so out of touch and risk adverse.
House Investigations that should be open and going full speed are Covid, vaccines (no placebo testing?), jab side effects, Jan 6, promotion to captain of killer of Ashli Babbitt, fbi shootings, tn trans manifesto, Russiagate, Ukraine funding, etc.
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/watch-climate-commies-blocking-burning-man-taken-down-hard-tribal-cops
Highly amusing.
ohh, how could I forget - you are right, Johnson was the first, making an impeachment of Zhou #6. Overall, seems as if the impeachment mechanism is reflecting our craptastic federal politics. one side of me thinks the tool is not working as intended, the other side is thinking but it sure is....
He also got the scholarship from Soros Brother, and his voting record is a bit suspect…
I’m agnostic on him, but suspicious. He sounds too good to be true.
Rumor has it that Les Wexner (Victoria's Secret, the guy behind Jeffrey Epstein) is Vivek's biggest campaign supporter. I haven't researched it, but shouldn't be that difficult.
While I too wish such a thing would happen, it seems to me that hoping for the Rs to work for for the things you list isn't a whole lot different from hoping the Ds will do it. The uniparty is a real thing, and if the Rs were actually the sort of people who would work for election security, against abuse of power, etc, they would already have done it forever ago.
Nearly every national-level R is bought and paid for by very bad people, so the only way out of this, imo, is through putting in better people in the primaries. Otherwise, we're just hoping that bad people in office controlled by bad people out of office will somehow turn on a dime and start doing good things, and that just isn't gonna happen.
I’m sorta in agreement, the longer Biden stays in place the clearer the choices in 2024 becomes. I hold little hope of election security coming out of congress, as I believe many are in place because of cheating themselves Governor Kemp I’m convinced is there because of it. That’s why Stacy was so adamant she had won. She knew her side was cheating, she just couldn’t conceive that Kemp/Raffensperger had outcheated her.
They should do both, but the focus seems to be on uniparty grift.
Mitt Romney on Ukraine “ it's the best national defense spending I think we’ve ever done."
https://thepostmillennial.com/romney-us-aid-to-ukraine-is-a-very-small-amount-of-money-among-the-best-national-defense-spending-ever-done
DOJ? Is there one?
Plea Deal? Is that all there is? Hello, Weiss?
“Father?” You probably mean “father,” whose obvious parental neglect has led to monetary enrichment for the family and damaging addictions for his “son.”
“he said/she said” - Comer doesn’t traffic in gossip, rather bank statements and witness testimony (Archer, Bobulinski, for example).
“it isn’t useful discussion” What is then? Getting Trump, I would imagine!
I was being a bit sarcastic there - I agree with you. Looking at the recent swing state polls, it seems the more they batter him, the stronger he becomes - to the point even some Dems, according to a recent Glenn Reynolds piece, claim to support Trump’s policies, just not his “personality.” Gee, thanks guys…
Swag.
The Democrats want a deal for Biden to resign and pardon his family. And all the dirt on Biden leaking is deliberate pressure to force him out. Or at a minimum say he’s not running for reelection.
Biden’s wife and family enjoy the power and perks, so they are unwilling to give up the Presidency.
Strange times.
Dear FreeFrench - my hunch as to why Zhou is still there? Because if you pull on his thread, the vast depth and breadth of corrupt US power politics gets exposed: Congress, the three, four, and five letter departments, the judiciary, the state-house feeder farms and all their enablers. Each of everyone has kompromat on a somebody else in the rotten racket, hence the omerta. I think your pressure point theory is sound ("watch them go after key Republicans"), but I also think the Kamala problem they made is why we haven't seen pardons for the first family and Zhou's resignation. What is the modus vivendi to get her to step aside? No way to control who would replace her as VP either. The Dem's options are all very poor: lose, steal, work with eGOP for a third Trump impeachment, cancel election (steal by coup). The eGOP's are also poor: lose to Trump, support a Dem steal, deepen the mess by supporting a third Trump impeachment. No way to slice it other than 2024 is a harbinger of change
99% sure Kamala refuses to move. She has a high chance with Biden’s health of becoming Potus.
Agree 100% on her chances of being “fairly” elected Potus.
Just to get it out there:
Would she be that much worse than Biden?
I’m assuming Biden is basically a puppet due to his dementia.
Kamala has the risk she can has a mind of her own, is incompetent, and can’t be controlled.
Rumors are there are pics of her, and Willy Brown, that are a bit compromising…