THE US ISRAELI v IRAN WAR END Has Already been determined
It is Only the Path to that End - that is yet to be Decided
LIMITED OR NO CHANCE OF ISRAEL US 'WINNING'
Stated goals of No Enrichment and Regime Change are effectively impossible -Israel and the US have effectively No Chance Of Winning
- Whether or Not And How Soom Iran chooses to obtain a nuclear weapon is only up to Iran and their Supreme Religious Leader
US Israeli actions to date have done little but Bolster YEMEN and IRAN power and reputation
- a failure to date
The 8 year Iran-Iraq US War 1980-88
US provided Iraq Billions of dollars
Dual-Use Technology Weapons
Intelligence Special Ops
Iran more than "survived" Iran maintained its regime and repelled the Iraqi US invasion and has since grown in intellect and weaponry
....................................Israel & US Cannot survive 8 years Therefore THE US ISRAELI v IRAN WAR END Has Already been determined
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IRAN Must Slow Walk Destroying ISRAEL just as Russia must slow walk destroying Ukraine
Too Much Too Quickly may force the adversary to making irrational decision and response
Financially and Militarily This shall be a War of Attrition - Israel and Iran suffering financially however Iran has already been through this and has proven they not only could but they did
Israel is desperate for funding and Trump will need to Explain to the US Why he is giving Israel
$ 250 Billion initially and then another $ 50 - 100 Billion a year
PUTIN / RUSSIA SAVING ISRAEL
One of the few Savings Grace for Israel
The population of Russian Jews, est. 1.35 million - 1.6 million as of June 2025
This represents approximately 17.8% to 21% of the total Israeli Jewish population (7.6 million)
What fake patriotic movie script is in there make believe minds? Bombs away we win? We don’t have can’t raise unless we induct all the illegals, 3 million to fight 92 million. We will run out of bullets in a week.
How tragic war is! All people have great value to our creator! Jesus Christ, visible image of THE invisible spirit - OUR GREAT CREATOR AND LORD GOD! Jesus-according to the re-educated -Saul into Paul- holds all matter together. Lucifer, the highest ranking angel was and is demoted from heaven to earth. The pain he causes people is his effort to hurt god himself. When almighty god divided the Red Sea, making a pathway for his chosen people-well it didn’t leave room for doubt, to the witnesses. Whether the current Israeli leadership has Almighty God’s blessing remains to be seen. I don’t really think it’s wise- for ANYONE- to go against Jesus! I believe all false religions are led by LUCIFER himself! Whether the current Israeli leadership is following Christ - I’m doubtful. Look what Job was put through-to prove Lucifer, and Job’s wife, no doubt countless others wrong or misguided. If the Iranian people, Americans and everyone would just genuinely turn to Christ and submit to their makers plans for following Christ, rather than Lucifer- as well as everyone else- what a wonderful world this could be- would be!
I just saw on Fox News not 15 minutes ago that part of our B2 bomber fleet was now in route to Guam which I suspect will be the staging area bomb ran with the MOAB bunker bombs. Looks like they’re not going to make the mistake twice of putting the B2 bomber force in Diego Garcia within an easy reach of Iranian missiles.
I think Trump already made the decision days ago and it’s gonna come back and hold him . If the attack is made in the next 24 hours or so, how will the markets open on Monday especially the oil markets.
What will the Houthis do, they’ve already said it gets attacked. They will start targeting United States Naval warships and there’s nothing we can do to stop them because our war against Yemen failed miserably. What will happen if one of our carriers either is heavily damaged or sunk?
What’s going to happen if one or more of those B2 bombers are shot down in Iran ?
Air superiority and bombing alone is not going to win the war and we have known all this since the end of World War II when we did the strategic study by the Air Force on the effects of daylight and nighttime bombing and we found for the most part it never worked. The eighth Air Force, for instance, had a 50% casualty rate in daylight bombing about that, and yet they results in the after action reports showed that our bombing efforts did not do anything to stop the German military, and industry from keeping going.
You have to wonder if Trump and others in the administration I have deluded themselves and to think of that one bomb run using the bunker busting bombs is going to solve all their problems and the fact the matter is it won’t.
God forbid if Trump decides to use limited nuclear bombs and I ran that’s a line that cannot be crossed. If Trump were to use nuclear weapons, he would be a pariah to the rest of the world. He would be finished politically in this country, I think impeachment proceedings would start, and in this case, I believe he would be convicted in the Senate and be driven from office. His legacy and everything that he stood for in total tatters.
He would undoubtedly be looked at is the very worst president ever Nixon would look like a hero compared to him . You have to wonder if his ego and narcissistic personality have gotten the best of him on this and he thinks he some type of wartime president like Franklin Roosevelt. He wants his USS Missouri moment and he’s not going to get it.
While I don't dispute "his ego and narcissistic personality" I would argue that Trump is the tool of others. If you look at the whole history of the Anglo-Zionist Empire it's difficult to believe that one man anywhere along the trajectory has made much difference--certainly not since the Clintons. Selecting for a president with deviant or manipulable personality traits is part of the system, given that a nod must be given to constitutional formalities.
Nevertheless, I think they are planning, once they are done, to slough this all on Trump, Hitlerize him and move forward collecting power. Americans as mass are easily distracted, not that smart, and when made vulnerable will draw back. (As when they recently demonstrated against Trump being 'King' because they didn't want to demonstrate against his military genocide and multiple aggressive wars on behalf of Israel.)
If it walks and sounds like a duck...All evidence points to imminent US involvement. I'm not even going to bother quoting that rather clichéd quote by George Santayana about those who fail to learn from history. One interesting side issue, however, is that of Turkey. They are moving troops up to the Iranian border (apparently). It wouldn't surprise me a bit if Erdogan wants a share of the "spoils". If he gets involved, that won't go down well with the many Turks who are increasingly upset about his economic deals with Israel.
There's just a chance that he is hanging out Bibi to dry and is merely stacking up the hardware to try and scare Iran into surrender. However, I think the much more likely scenario is the most obvious one: he is getting ready to hit Iran. Hope I'm wrong.
Have you been monitoring the massive relocations of US military resources around the world? How does that fit into a determination not to attack Iran, or with the Michael Tracy article at the end--which I'm quite sure you haven't had time to even glance at.
2. Exchange between a commentor & Tracy on how a lawyer evaluates statements in a contract -- the specific vs. the general. Tracy notes that his assessment of Trump threats to Iran follow same rubric: campaign rhetoric, i.e. "peace," is general; Trump's threats against Iran have been specific.
REGARDING that first point, "this was foreseeable:" since I learned of Ron Unz's site I've thought there needs to be some brick-and-mortar vault or time-capsule to preserve the evidence of what people like Tracy, and yourself, MW, and others have recorded and analyzed. I don't know how to make that happen, but maybe other minds think similarly.
Looks like Trump just pulled the trigger and bombed Iran, according to reports on Gateway Pundit and Breitbart.
Well, so much for that debate. (Yeah, I know, what debate?)
Given our view from an unknown distance:
> Israel NEEDS/REQUIRES US... at a minimum for intel/bullets
> Iran from our vantage has not requested help
> USAF loading KSA airbase with targets???
> USA targets throughout the region???
> Discount @DD_Geopolitics sourcing: IBA, CNN, FOX
> "most openly telegraphed event of all time" IMO ARG/UK Falklands War wins
> NEXT LVL ANALYSIS Steghorn1. Thinking outside the...
Let's see what happens.
I wonder if there is an Israeli/Azeri/Turkic plot eyeing the Azeri ethnic regions of Iran, not to mention the Kurds.
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THE US ISRAELI v IRAN WAR END Has Already been determined
It is Only the Path to that End - that is yet to be Decided
LIMITED OR NO CHANCE OF ISRAEL US 'WINNING'
Stated goals of No Enrichment and Regime Change are effectively impossible -Israel and the US have effectively No Chance Of Winning
- Whether or Not And How Soom Iran chooses to obtain a nuclear weapon is only up to Iran and their Supreme Religious Leader
US Israeli actions to date have done little but Bolster YEMEN and IRAN power and reputation
- a failure to date
The 8 year Iran-Iraq US War 1980-88
US provided Iraq Billions of dollars
Dual-Use Technology Weapons
Intelligence Special Ops
Iran more than "survived" Iran maintained its regime and repelled the Iraqi US invasion and has since grown in intellect and weaponry
....................................Israel & US Cannot survive 8 years Therefore THE US ISRAELI v IRAN WAR END Has Already been determined
======================================
IRAN Must Slow Walk Destroying ISRAEL just as Russia must slow walk destroying Ukraine
Too Much Too Quickly may force the adversary to making irrational decision and response
Financially and Militarily This shall be a War of Attrition - Israel and Iran suffering financially however Iran has already been through this and has proven they not only could but they did
Israel is desperate for funding and Trump will need to Explain to the US Why he is giving Israel
$ 250 Billion initially and then another $ 50 - 100 Billion a year
PUTIN / RUSSIA SAVING ISRAEL
One of the few Savings Grace for Israel
The population of Russian Jews, est. 1.35 million - 1.6 million as of June 2025
This represents approximately 17.8% to 21% of the total Israeli Jewish population (7.6 million)
Israel Depends on Putin
And this is the Only Wild Card Right Now
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It Bears Repeating
PUTIN / RUSSIA SAVING ISRAEL
One of the few Savings Grace for Israel
The population of Russian Jews, est. 1.35 million - 1.6 million as of June 2025
This represents approximately 17.8% to 21% of the total Israeli Jewish population (7.6 million)
Israel Depends on Putin
And this is the Only Wild Card Right Now
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What fake patriotic movie script is in there make believe minds? Bombs away we win? We don’t have can’t raise unless we induct all the illegals, 3 million to fight 92 million. We will run out of bullets in a week.
https://youtu.be/Hjqm0oFdGJc?si=WYpP9KMw6myntt2L
Just another point of view to consider
How tragic war is! All people have great value to our creator! Jesus Christ, visible image of THE invisible spirit - OUR GREAT CREATOR AND LORD GOD! Jesus-according to the re-educated -Saul into Paul- holds all matter together. Lucifer, the highest ranking angel was and is demoted from heaven to earth. The pain he causes people is his effort to hurt god himself. When almighty god divided the Red Sea, making a pathway for his chosen people-well it didn’t leave room for doubt, to the witnesses. Whether the current Israeli leadership has Almighty God’s blessing remains to be seen. I don’t really think it’s wise- for ANYONE- to go against Jesus! I believe all false religions are led by LUCIFER himself! Whether the current Israeli leadership is following Christ - I’m doubtful. Look what Job was put through-to prove Lucifer, and Job’s wife, no doubt countless others wrong or misguided. If the Iranian people, Americans and everyone would just genuinely turn to Christ and submit to their makers plans for following Christ, rather than Lucifer- as well as everyone else- what a wonderful world this could be- would be!
Great overview! Ty.
I just saw on Fox News not 15 minutes ago that part of our B2 bomber fleet was now in route to Guam which I suspect will be the staging area bomb ran with the MOAB bunker bombs. Looks like they’re not going to make the mistake twice of putting the B2 bomber force in Diego Garcia within an easy reach of Iranian missiles.
I think Trump already made the decision days ago and it’s gonna come back and hold him . If the attack is made in the next 24 hours or so, how will the markets open on Monday especially the oil markets.
What will the Houthis do, they’ve already said it gets attacked. They will start targeting United States Naval warships and there’s nothing we can do to stop them because our war against Yemen failed miserably. What will happen if one of our carriers either is heavily damaged or sunk?
What’s going to happen if one or more of those B2 bombers are shot down in Iran ?
Air superiority and bombing alone is not going to win the war and we have known all this since the end of World War II when we did the strategic study by the Air Force on the effects of daylight and nighttime bombing and we found for the most part it never worked. The eighth Air Force, for instance, had a 50% casualty rate in daylight bombing about that, and yet they results in the after action reports showed that our bombing efforts did not do anything to stop the German military, and industry from keeping going.
You have to wonder if Trump and others in the administration I have deluded themselves and to think of that one bomb run using the bunker busting bombs is going to solve all their problems and the fact the matter is it won’t.
God forbid if Trump decides to use limited nuclear bombs and I ran that’s a line that cannot be crossed. If Trump were to use nuclear weapons, he would be a pariah to the rest of the world. He would be finished politically in this country, I think impeachment proceedings would start, and in this case, I believe he would be convicted in the Senate and be driven from office. His legacy and everything that he stood for in total tatters.
He would undoubtedly be looked at is the very worst president ever Nixon would look like a hero compared to him . You have to wonder if his ego and narcissistic personality have gotten the best of him on this and he thinks he some type of wartime president like Franklin Roosevelt. He wants his USS Missouri moment and he’s not going to get it.
More build-up by US:
One aircraft carrier, the USS Vinson, is in the MiddleEast right now.
The USS Nimitz is on its way--likely in the Indian Ocean now.
The USS Gerald Ford will deploy from the Atlantic to the ME within a few days.
Source: stripes.com
https://news.usni.org/category/fleet-tracker
Thanks very much, AC!
While I don't dispute "his ego and narcissistic personality" I would argue that Trump is the tool of others. If you look at the whole history of the Anglo-Zionist Empire it's difficult to believe that one man anywhere along the trajectory has made much difference--certainly not since the Clintons. Selecting for a president with deviant or manipulable personality traits is part of the system, given that a nod must be given to constitutional formalities.
Nevertheless, I think they are planning, once they are done, to slough this all on Trump, Hitlerize him and move forward collecting power. Americans as mass are easily distracted, not that smart, and when made vulnerable will draw back. (As when they recently demonstrated against Trump being 'King' because they didn't want to demonstrate against his military genocide and multiple aggressive wars on behalf of Israel.)
P.s. Forget monitoring aircraft flights. Check how many pizza deliveries are going to the Pentagon and Langley tonight. :)
https://x.com/PenPizzaReport/status/1936563158723760571?t=FAgS1S8bMekhOnkx2Nk8qQ&s=19
Make Papa John's Great Again
6 more B-2 bombers leaving Missouri for Guam as we speak.
Thank you, Steghorn.
I just posted this information:
https://www.stripes.com/branches/navy/2025-06-18/ford-carrier-europe-iran-israel-18165558.html
If you find a diagram map showing US, and possibly UK, and other countries' warships in MiddleEast waters, please post.
Tx for the link to Bracken - didn’t know of him. Murphy’s law to the 10th power…
If it walks and sounds like a duck...All evidence points to imminent US involvement. I'm not even going to bother quoting that rather clichéd quote by George Santayana about those who fail to learn from history. One interesting side issue, however, is that of Turkey. They are moving troops up to the Iranian border (apparently). It wouldn't surprise me a bit if Erdogan wants a share of the "spoils". If he gets involved, that won't go down well with the many Turks who are increasingly upset about his economic deals with Israel.
I think Trump wanted BIBI to stand down, and not attack without permission.
BIBI attacked anyway, on the faith that Trump would follow up.
Trump obviously is determined not to defend Isreal at this time,
and will not attack Iran.
There's just a chance that he is hanging out Bibi to dry and is merely stacking up the hardware to try and scare Iran into surrender. However, I think the much more likely scenario is the most obvious one: he is getting ready to hit Iran. Hope I'm wrong.
Have you been monitoring the massive relocations of US military resources around the world? How does that fit into a determination not to attack Iran, or with the Michael Tracy article at the end--which I'm quite sure you haven't had time to even glance at.
New Front man/Fall Guy for the New World Odor.
Traded his White Hat for a yamaka.
Thx for drawing attention to the Michael Tracy article.
Two significant elements:
1. "It was foreseeable; I documented it...I tried to warn you" --
At same time Trump threatens to blow up Iran's ancient history sites, as took place in Iraq and Syria (and in Germany 1940s), this time, no made-up history. (In the tweet thread re: Trump's threat, this link: https://news.artnet.com/art-world/isis-cultural-heritage-sites-destroyed-950060 )
2. Exchange between a commentor & Tracy on how a lawyer evaluates statements in a contract -- the specific vs. the general. Tracy notes that his assessment of Trump threats to Iran follow same rubric: campaign rhetoric, i.e. "peace," is general; Trump's threats against Iran have been specific.
REGARDING that first point, "this was foreseeable:" since I learned of Ron Unz's site I've thought there needs to be some brick-and-mortar vault or time-capsule to preserve the evidence of what people like Tracy, and yourself, MW, and others have recorded and analyzed. I don't know how to make that happen, but maybe other minds think similarly.