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Stephen McIntyre's avatar

JP Morgan, Chase and Deutsch Bank were sued by the victims of Epstein around 200 or 240 women. Both banks settled out of court rather than go to trial. This was in the Virgin Islands, where Epstein had an office. They settled for $350 million, in addition the Epstein estate settled. so according to Ryan Dawson, the author who is looked into this pretty closely and went through all of those legal documents. The settlement ended up about $800 million.

Dawson particularly went through all the documents that had been filed and don’t forget there’s been a grand jury indictment against Epstein under Trump . Show by going through all of those filings and such Dawson was able to put together a list of people who were actually mentioned and all of those documents and that is the list that you can find on Larry Johnson’s website solar 21.

Whatever list there is he is compiled . I remember when Epstein’s address book was released along with Maxwell’s address book, and I have both of them saved on my computer and you can go through them. Donald Trump’s name is not listed in either one. There are certainly not of interesting names listed, but I doubt most of them had anything to do with Epstein to any real degree or we’re involved in any underage girls.

Epstein was the kind of guy that was going to a lot of social events collecting peoples names to talk to. He was picking up a lot of interesting intelligence that he was passing on to whoever. He was involved in a great deal of money laundering to help his rich friends had assets overseas, which he did for a fee. Some of his friends perverts like he was no doubt, did he share some of his underage girls with these people probably. Was he engaged in a wholesale black male scheme? I don’t think so. I think it bled down you do a favor for me do a favor for you.

The real question is why Trump did a 180° on this on releasing whatever files the justice department had which they used to indict Epstein and Maxwell . That is what exist and should be released even the grand jury files. And whatever is in those files just let the chips fall where they may. no doubt there will be a number of people mention that will have to deal with a great deal of public embarrassment but that’s the price paid isn’t it?

For whatever reason this is costing Trump politically instead of going away it’s growing and whether he wants to or not, he may have to release some of those files some of those documents. I don’t believe for a minute. Trump was involved with underage girls or anything like that. Trump was one of these guys. It collects interesting people as friends and that’s probably the case with Epstein until he found out exactly what kind of person he really was then he ended the friendship.

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Mark Wauck's avatar

I think you're onto the broad outlines of the scheme.

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Nutmeg's avatar

Thank you for bringing up the settlement with the Epstein victims and the banks. I had forgotten about that until reading your comment.

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Its Just Me's avatar

"The danger here for Trump is that the whole Epstein gaslighting is undermining trust in Trump, including among his hardcore MAGA followers. But a president doesn’t govern just from his base—he needs support and trust among all those independents who elected him. Trust lost is difficult to revive. Even worse, once trust is lost—and that’s what this is ALL about—those new skeptics may begin to question more than just the issue that triggered them in the first place. That’s really bad. A lot of people were clinging to Trump as the one guy in politics they could trust—we know all about Congressional ratings. This could have important consequences for Midterm turnout. It’s not too early to start worrying about that.

Another concern is the effect this could have on foreign policy. It’s not outlandish to suspect that Trump’s outrageous threats directed at most of the world are intended to 1) distract from the Epstein gaslighting backfire, and 2) project an image of strength and patriotism. The great problem with that strategy is that, in a complicated world, trust among foreign leaders is key to a successful foreign policy. These ploys directed at propping up domestic standing are almost certainly going to increase distrust abroad and backfire on Trump’s foreign policy—which is always what a president’s administration ends up being all about."

These are some of the wisest words you've ever written and I agree completely. You described me to a T about clinging to Trump. Trump was the one politician I thought was a straight shooter, no BS (here I exclude his braggadocio). Now it's like Emily Litella and Epstein -- nevermind. That's a reference to Saturday Night Live, for the uninitiated.

If Trump flames out, like the Who, I won't get fooled again.

I guess with this post, I am showing my age with the antiquated cultural references.

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Its Just Me's avatar

Today he called us weaklings. I guess he thinks we're like his Republican primary opponents and he can insult us into shutting up and slinking away, ala Low energy Jeb.

Sorry, don't run as a truth teller and then gaslight me.

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George's avatar

Interesting, there are 4 times more comments about an Epstein article than about the WW3 a few hours ago.

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seedeevee's avatar

Too many are noticing the genocide, also

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riskywoods's avatar

It's as if someone really wants the Dems to do well during midterms.

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Cosmo T Kat's avatar

Trump is one of them. Remember he has said repeatedly, “it’s not me they’re after, it’s you.” He presented himself as our savior and he was setting us up. It is us they are after. If he isn’t one them his actions state clearly that he wants to be included and loved and he will forsake all of us to be in the club.

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No's avatar

Nothing more is going to come out about Epstein's crimes against children.

Any real evidence is long buried. I fear this is a mortal wound for this administration. His base believes with all their hearts that a vast group of powerful psychopaths in D.C., Silicon Valley and Hollywood have been abusing and even murdering children for decades. That's probably true, but can never be proven.

His successes in DEI and deporting the criminals will be dust in the wind when the mid terms blow through like a monsoon and sweep away the feeble republican majorities.

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Joanne C. Wasserman's avatar

I don't understand the assurance by pollster Mark Mitchell that the build-back-beter-big-beautiful-bill, that was squeezed through the senate---didn't VPVance cast the tie-breaker?---holds any popularity with regular working people. Also, the pollster says that Trump's in-boom-out perfect strike on three nuclear sites in Iran was "insanely popular"---who thinks that? Who's participating in this pollster's polls???????

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4dEdited

Quote of the Day--actually said 6 years ago by a former IT contractor for Jeffrey Epstein:

"Because you know what? When you allow money to dictate your moral consciousness, you’ve lost all idea of moral consciousness. It’s not about the money. It can’t be.”

Interesting article:

https://abcnews.go.com/US/contractor-jeffrey-epstein-quit-concerns-revealing-pictures-topless/story?id=64406022

The men that partied with Epstein were rich and powerful. Larry Johnson posted a video from a man who has compiled Epstein's List through documents, records, and logs:

https://larrycjohnson.substack.com/p/the-epstein-client-list-why-is-trump

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Nutmeg's avatar

The love of money is a root of all kinds of evil...1 Timothy 6:10

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Antipodes's avatar

yeah, saying this Epstein story is not a story is bad decision.

Just the various photos of Trump and Epstein chumming it up in older printed media, which cannot be denied as real, as a minimum makes most people ask how chummy were they?

Then you have all the legal run ins Epstein had, and all the people involved in those proceedings saying "there is a story here".

Add in all the memes that have been circulating for a long time, many of them powerful, succinct and very memorable.

He definitely made the wrong choice on how to handle this subject.

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Dan in AZ's avatar

How destructive is the Epstein case that Trump needs to conjure up World War III as a distraction?

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Mark Wauck's avatar

So destructive that it could blow up our entire political system. Next question, who runs that political system? The donor class. As I used to like to say: The best government money can buy.

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Its Just Me's avatar

Correction. The worst government money can buy.

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Joe Van Steenbergen's avatar

Seems Trump's hands are tied, and that he did the tying. Either he or his friends would be implicated, or intel agencies will be outed, of many powerful, wealthy and influential people would be implicated or revealed as pedos, or . . . Either way, he's being told to not release the information and to do whatever he can to make the whole thing go away. Of all the boneheaded things he could have done, this ranks as one of the boneheadedest possible. Is there something important we're missing with the time of this debacle, or are they simply trying to distract us from some other nefarious deeds (which is what they excel at)?

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Joanne C. Wasserman's avatar

My guess for the distraction is the $5 trillion addition to our national debt due to the signing of congressionally approved Big Beautiful Bill (Build Back Better), because the treasury bonds (?) have to be rolled over...if they can't roll, USGovernment hits the rocks.

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Steghorn21's avatar

This won't go away until Trump answers 3 questions:

1. Who in the corridors of power and big business was diddling kids?

2. Is Mossad and the CIA blackmailing them?

3. What decisions and events are being affected by this blackmail?

He can lance this boil now or let it fester into a fatal malady

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aDoozy's avatar
4dEdited

I am thinking that the Epstein 'affair' is connected to Pizzagate...children subjected to pedophilia, trafficking, and the unspeakable horror of their blood used as a 'fountain of youth' for wealthy elitists.

Do you think that there is a connection?

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