Yup, old Sy has finally lost me with this one. Had subscribed when he "broke" the Nord Stream story (one that most of us here had already suspected), figuring the rabble-rousing spirit of "afflicting the comfortable" was still alive and well within him. Seeing as his once-countercultural, Lefty cabal is now the establishment, his articles read like a NY/DC old-lady gossip column.
Well, I’m still trying to figure out what’s up with Hersh on this one? Does he not recall that the last military operative that went rogue on Putin met with an unfortunate aircraft malfunction? If you just look at how things have played out up to this point, I can’t see how you could possibly accept the idea that two military officers are conducting negotiations on the down low. Just not buying It.
Hmmmnn ... considering "the last military operative that went rogue on Putin": perhaps the Neocons are trying to cast doubt on this General's loyalty to Putin.
I haven't seen a single person yet who's buying it. Everybody gets that this is some sort of ploy, some sort of gaslighting attempt, just a question of what kind. I still favor it as a kind of attempt to get Russia to engage in a proxy negotiation--publicly with Ukraine, but really with US, to save US humiliation and to avoid locking US into any position. US would later claim any deal would not bind US, because US wasn't a party. Russia will insist US be a public party.
These people really believe that this ridiculous ploy has any chance of working? Talk about taking stupidity to another level. With geniuses like this running things, no wonder we’re in this mess. Every day that passes confirms that William F. Buckley Jr. was spot on in suggesting that we have a better chance with the first 300 names in the greater Boston phone book than with “the smartest people in the room”! Geez
I still can’t swallow S.Hershe’s article. I mean, one of the biggest issue why SMO started was that Ukraine will never join NATO. So now Hersh is telling us the Ruskies change their minds?
Maybe I could understand why he wrote the article to instigate/steer some crap - irritate Kyev & The Rake’s regimes.
Anyway, can anyone post a link where we can see that Zaluzhnyi is still alive??? You guys know exactly what I mean.
There must be another reason behind Saymore’s post. I do believe him about the Nord Stream but this last one seams to me 100% wrong.
Mark, I no longer believe we in America have the best government money can buy. Our ancient political class is a used up group of old political prostitutes, they can't demand a premium for their services. DC bears an eerie resemblance to a truck stop parking lot. In a word . . . awful.
Cass: It’s sad beyond description to think that there are folks in the US that are this gullible, naive, stupid and just plain ignorant to not see this lame and threadbare bit of flimflammery for what it is, pure undiluted BS.
I believe that's it. Putin will insist that the US own this debacle. He has won the war, the terms of the settlement will be US ownership of the demolition of a nation (albeit with their own complicity). This is necessary to put the US and the Neocon ideology in its geopolitical place.
Yup, old Sy has finally lost me with this one. Had subscribed when he "broke" the Nord Stream story (one that most of us here had already suspected), figuring the rabble-rousing spirit of "afflicting the comfortable" was still alive and well within him. Seeing as his once-countercultural, Lefty cabal is now the establishment, his articles read like a NY/DC old-lady gossip column.
Well, I’m still trying to figure out what’s up with Hersh on this one? Does he not recall that the last military operative that went rogue on Putin met with an unfortunate aircraft malfunction? If you just look at how things have played out up to this point, I can’t see how you could possibly accept the idea that two military officers are conducting negotiations on the down low. Just not buying It.
Hmmmnn ... considering "the last military operative that went rogue on Putin": perhaps the Neocons are trying to cast doubt on this General's loyalty to Putin.
I haven't seen a single person yet who's buying it. Everybody gets that this is some sort of ploy, some sort of gaslighting attempt, just a question of what kind. I still favor it as a kind of attempt to get Russia to engage in a proxy negotiation--publicly with Ukraine, but really with US, to save US humiliation and to avoid locking US into any position. US would later claim any deal would not bind US, because US wasn't a party. Russia will insist US be a public party.
These people really believe that this ridiculous ploy has any chance of working? Talk about taking stupidity to another level. With geniuses like this running things, no wonder we’re in this mess. Every day that passes confirms that William F. Buckley Jr. was spot on in suggesting that we have a better chance with the first 300 names in the greater Boston phone book than with “the smartest people in the room”! Geez
Gents,
I still can’t swallow S.Hershe’s article. I mean, one of the biggest issue why SMO started was that Ukraine will never join NATO. So now Hersh is telling us the Ruskies change their minds?
Maybe I could understand why he wrote the article to instigate/steer some crap - irritate Kyev & The Rake’s regimes.
Anyway, can anyone post a link where we can see that Zaluzhnyi is still alive??? You guys know exactly what I mean.
There must be another reason behind Saymore’s post. I do believe him about the Nord Stream but this last one seams to me 100% wrong.
Mark, I no longer believe we in America have the best government money can buy. Our ancient political class is a used up group of old political prostitutes, they can't demand a premium for their services. DC bears an eerie resemblance to a truck stop parking lot. In a word . . . awful.
“He (Putin) calls or meets with his personal friend Xi Jinping to discuss the future of the post-rules-based order world.
Their future.
And they smile together.”
https://www.skynews.com.au/insights-and-analysis/what-a-difference-a-year-makes-once-isolated-distrustful-vladimir-putin-is-intimidating-the-west-as-he-plans-big-ahead-of-2024-russian-election/news-story/0aab3de4a33d0962a040cd4a48e62162
LOL. How many times have I said this in the last few weeks?
his “self-confidence was hard to miss”
Some funny stuff. Corn Pop was a bad dude.
Cass: It’s sad beyond description to think that there are folks in the US that are this gullible, naive, stupid and just plain ignorant to not see this lame and threadbare bit of flimflammery for what it is, pure undiluted BS.
Thx Cass: As if I wasn’t already depressed enough. :-)
I understand the concept, but it all seems way too early for that. The election is too far ahead for them to shoot their wad at this point.
This from a Russian (?) perspective:
https://twitter.com/RealScottRitter/status/1731099971917861324
I believe that's it. Putin will insist that the US own this debacle. He has won the war, the terms of the settlement will be US ownership of the demolition of a nation (albeit with their own complicity). This is necessary to put the US and the Neocon ideology in its geopolitical place.
I question whether Hersh does "internal Dem" messaging. I think he does internal Deep State messaging.
the point is: its all 'messaging' and it ain't the truth!
https://twitter.com/FiorellaIsabelM/status/1731283111236063335