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AmericanCardigan's avatar

Isn’t the expected payback support owed to the Lithy’s by the USA under George Bush for their role in Iraq circa 2003?

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Cord The Seeker's avatar

The Biden Administration is on its way to becoming the first in American history to lose two wars in less than a year. They have decided that only intervention by NATO troops can save Kiev. (I still use the old style spelling and given the course of the war we might as well go back to using it.) Washington wants war with Russia. No one in America outside the Washington psycho ward wants this. So they need Russia to commit the first overt act.

One wonders what bribe the Lithuanians were offered that they deemed worth the risk.

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Ray-SoCa's avatar

So Lithuania is only doing this due to their NATO membership…

My take on NATO is it’s a huge bluff, they hope Russia never calls. Germany has no interest, much less ability, to defend other countries.

My guess is Russia will do something non kinetic. I wonder what?

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AmericanCardigan's avatar

Zhou doesn’t want to fight. Hell he didn’t want to take Bin Laden. He’ll have his servants tell Lithy’s to back down.

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Ray-SoCa's avatar

Officially Biden’s telling Lithuania the US fully supports them.

I see it as more poking the Bear to get a reaction, with no thought of what options the Bear has.

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AmericanCardigan's avatar

Agreed. Careful what you ask for....

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MikeinFL's avatar

1 by sea or 2 by air is my guess for now. Unless they can build a 50 mile tunnel from Belarus post-haste...

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uncreativ's avatar

Cyber attacks seem the most obvious, but that won't open up the rail lines.

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dissonant1's avatar

I'm inclined to say Gonzalo is right in his prediction as much as it pains me. After all, the Biden admin people responsible for Ukraine in 2014 and 2022 (Blinken, Nuland, et. al) still are running things. They would not hesitate to start a new war in the Baltics while thinking Russia would never use Nukes. This effort to overthrow Putin has been long standing among the U.S. neocon establishment and is not something arising recently due to the U.S. economy, though. As Mark has amply documented they truly want strategic control over the heart of Eurasia and the natural resources within Russia's border as a further step in world domination.

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Mark Wauck's avatar

Pretty strong

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MikeinFL's avatar

On another topic. That's an awful big hogleg hiding beneath that helpful gentleman's (read secret svc) blue shirt?

forgot the link. https://www.gopusa.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/biden_falls_bike.jpg

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Jack Jones's avatar

Does anyone NOT see the hidden hand of The Great Satan at work...again

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MikeinFL's avatar

Nuland or Von Der Crazy? hmmm.

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Sarcastic Cynical Texan's avatar

Lithuania is being a very good vassal indeed. They will be rewarded with pure hell.

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Ray-SoCa's avatar

Hail Mary to get Russia to attack a NATO member?

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Claudia's avatar

Apparently, Lithuania remains connected to the Russian electricity grid so this move might backfire on them in a big way.

https://www.politico.eu/article/how-lithuania-cut-its-ties-to-toxic-russian-gas/

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Mark Wauck's avatar

It occurs to me that Kaliningrad and Lithuania may be more or less on the same electric grid.

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Claudia's avatar

From what I can gather, that's the case for Lithuania, Estonia, and Latvia.

https://www.fpri.org/article/2016/03/lithuania-moves-bolster-electricity-security/

These countries have been working towards joining the European grid, which would've cut Kalingrad off.

https://balticword.com/baltics-to-completely-disconnect-from-russian-power-grid-by-2025/

However, Kalingrad will be fine but that won't be the case for Lithuania, Estonia, and Latvia until the 2025.

https://news.err.ee/945951/kaliningrad-successfully-tests-independent-local-electricity-grid

Except for Orban, the rest of the European leaders don't seem to have an ounce of common sense or self-preservation. Crazy.

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Mark Wauck's avatar

Yep, nuts.

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Mark Wauck's avatar

Yeah, it's hard to see this ending well for them. Moreover, that LNG will cost far more than Russia nat gas--otherwise they would have made the switch already. Unless the US promised to subsidize them. But there's still the electricity. Nothing to do with energy is as simple as they're making out.

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Piquet's avatar

If I read the numbers correctly, that regasification unit/ship supplies ~0.2% of the daily nat gas consumption of Lithuania. Doesn't sound like "energy independence".

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Mark Wauck's avatar

The logistics are also difficult.

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