Is hard to find legit other non ideology based reviews, thanks for sharing, is helpful to see others views esp when honest and maybe even hard to say/acknowledge against own interests. T and his team an absolute wrecking ball to norms and protocols and hidden tacks and so very much needed and eye popping. Got others?
RS - Childers today does good write up on this as well, like MW, he ties to the French and UK sending theirs, failing, and Z is almost their last ditch attempt to get the security guarant, etc. and whatever private ends they have - Luongo sh be a good listen tomorrow
Two points: 1. Quite honestly, the Oval Office scene did not make be proud to be American. USA started that war and put Z in that position. Lot of dishonesty on display, and the Alternative Media cheered.
2. MacGregor sent out an email, "Americans are tired of war . . . US should not go to war in Middle East . . . Take Action." Thanks, MacG, but what moral values say it's "good TV" to humiliate Z, the creature of US policy, while simultaneously adulating Bibi, who is carrying on even more criminal and illegal actions, with full approval and praise from same Oval Office Duo?
I think USA SHOULD go to war in Middle East, an air war to destroy Israel's entire air fleet to stop Israel's genocide.
I'll give Trump and Vance credit re yesterday. They didn't get into any of the pretend stuff. They flat out stated that all they were trying to do is save Ukraine from destruction. In a bigger way this demonstrates the serious problems we've run into with rule by Deep State and ignoring the Constitution--no declaration of war. We get into a major war and most of the population doesn't even know how it started.
MW - if I were a doctor and you showed me a patient with symptoms I could diagnose him - but I'm not, so would be all a mystery.
If I were a carpenter and you showed me a home with with structural issues I could make repairs, but I'm not, so I'm useless
If I were Nick Saban, I could assess the weakness of the other team to exploit and win, but I'm not, so...
to Trump and Vance, and esp if they were prepared for this 'deal,' all the little tells of Z about security or going it alone or about Putin breaking promises -- and many more -- were all tells to them that Z was trying to renegotiate the deal, in a big way; they couldn't not see it - to everyone else, is noise, etc - they knew were Z was headed and they weren't going to tolerate it. well played T and team, like most other moves they are making, they have a plan war-gamed out and are executing.
Correct. There was a fairly long buildup to the breaking point of the conversation. Z was trying to publicly renegotiate what had been agreed upon--yes, he had been pressured into it, but that was always the deal with the Anglo-Zionists, that Ukraine was merely a proxy. Trump and Vance did see it coming but were willing to tolerate his insolence--but only up to a point. Z went past that point.
Undoubtedly Z was acting in a rehearsed way (rehearsed by the Euro ruling class) as well as acting in character.
OK guys. I & my peers were long ago taught to be 'humble in victory, gracious in defeat.'
You make good points. I concede.
BUT on follow-up essay, "Follow up on the Anglo-Zionist Meltdown," I have to insist: **Zionist** has not yet been dealt with adequately, equitably, or justly.
It's great that the Ukraine matter is in hand.
But not only is Middle East-Gaza still in flames, **zionists** in USA are well-funded, organized, and moving from strength to strength.
To the extent that the Z smack-down lionizes Trump-Vance, it may make it even more difficult for MacGregor to realize the message he emailed to OCOC today.
No definitive answer, because Trump doesn't just lay things out in public. However, Bannon speaking to Michael Tracy in two interviews--not long--is optimistic re Trump's intent in Middle East. Links toward bottom.
In fairness to Trump--and I have repeatedly expressed frustration with his rhetoric--the days when a POTUS could simply wave a wand (military magic) are over, and Trump, no matter his rhetoric, must operate within those constraints as well as political constraints. The political constraints are evolving, and my give him more freedom to operate in the future. We can only wait and see.
I don't think they cared. I think the Euro trash leadership wanted to embarrass Trump on the world stage and in front of a home audience. This gives the anti-Trump media and all the Democrats who are floundering a new meme they can press to their advantage, they think. I think this backfires and the euro's may have just sealed the fate of NATO and that's a good think as far as I am concerned.
PP makes a similar point. No actual vote to declare war provides cover for our corrupt politicians to change positions without accountability.
Philip Pilkington @philippilk
Watching the “deeply corrupt compromised brigade” turn on Ukraine is a lesson on how power works in America. Watch who changes their mind after that display and you’ll know the phonies. Excellent test case.
What happened in the Oval Office today was catastrophic for the EU. Zelensky dethroned himself and ended all hope of a rescue by the US. That will tangibly impact AFU morale and sow the seeds of eventual collapse. But far more significantly, it ends all hope that the EU can somehow muddle through the looming financial crisis via a Hail Mary pass in Ukraine. Bluster and BS in regard to rearming will fall on deaf ears in Moscow, so the sledgehammer of reality must now be confronted. There will soon be a flight of wealth from the EU to safer havens and away from the Euro, which will trigger insolvency in numerous central banks on the Continent. No doubt MI6 has a few false-flag OPs waiting to be green-lighted in the hope of triggering a Hail Mary Hail Mary of some sort. Let's hope the adults can put a stop to that before things get out of hand.
The same old perpetual warmongers such as Cheney and Bolton are calling out Trump and Vance for their so called disrespectful treatment of Z. There’s a freakout of the neocons on the left and right. From hero to persona non grata, Z fell from grace. Too bad it took so many people several years to recognize Z for what he is. And some still don’t.
Miss Lindsey! sure did an immediate about-face this afternoon, though. From the GOP's biggest Uke hawk in Congress to calling for Z-man's resignation today as someone the US can no longer work with. Must have gotten definitive word that the gravy train is gone for good.
The gravy train will continue by other means, though. I think Zelensky did what he was asked to do by the people who chose him from obscurity to star in a teevee show that set him up to become the president of Ukraine in time for a proxy war. And those same people will protect him, one way or another. He hit his marks and said his lines.
Oh certainly will continue, but on a different track. The resources deal? Sure, let’s do a whole new kind of business with the same Kolomoisky, Zlochesky and like scum who set up Z-man as their frontman for the current laundromat. Just thinking that Lindsey may not have been cut into the new one.
I hope so, Cardi, but they are just crazy enough to go it alone. The statement from the EU idiots and the major European national leaders were pathetic and delusional in the extreme. These people know that this conflict is their last chance to pretend to be global players before the EU falls apart.
Z can retire to his mansion in Florida. Maybe it is next door to Mrs. Netanyahu's mansion in Florida. Maybe he can hire the same security outfit she has. 🌴
Pretty sure I called this (again) few days ago. US under Trump no longer cares about Europe, or Ukraine, or Zelensky, period. Game over. FAFO principle in full view. Send in peacekeepers if you want Starmer, Macron, etc. have a great time. What a great week humiliating all these useless and endlessly mischievous Euros. Glorious.
I do. As with Starmer yesterday, their good cop/bad cop (which they switch up) is pretty effective. Trump doesn't flinch when Vance says something pointed/undiplomatic and vice-versa. The stage then set, they both close in for the kill.
Something Zelensky repeated several times to Vance and President Trump in the short video I watched was, "You are going to feel influence." What does he mean by that? Who's influence are we going to feel, the Israel Lobby? On the issue of the rare earth resources, aren't the majority of these resources in Russian possession? Pres. Trump has said he will want this land back. How, what's the leverage for a return of territory Russia has secured?
Wow...watching Danny & John now. That press conference was something else. Zelensky may as well been running down an alley with two pit bulls hanging off his pants legs. Well, maybe don't count on the neocon/neolib cabal to be in perpetual power & don't involve yourself in trying to unseat an American president. Don't skim money from your patron. Boy, has he bet on the wrong horse. Interesting that Trump remarked he thought the American people deserved to see & hear this. At the end of the day, I'm getting the drift that both the Trump WH & the Kremlin have realized that if they allow the UK/UKR/EU to push us into war with each other, nobody wins...its just mass death and destruction...WWIII.
Yes, it looks like Trump did this to allow US citizens to see exactly what happens in these discussions—let the sunlight in. Honesty and transparency is what will restore our trust!
Listening the radio here in Europe this morning, it is clear that the EU is deadly serious about sending in a peacekeeping force to Ukraine. Hell, even the Swiss are gearing up their armed forces, training with the Austrian and Germans. Only a massive Trump slapdown on them will make them see sense.
Indeed he will, Cardi. They thought they could manipulate the dumb old Yankees into doing all the heavy lifting while they piggybacked their way to an EU superstate. Now, I hope, they alone will shoulder the burden. Nope, I was never in the Swiss military. I was in the UK navy and still have my old uniform stashed away somewhere! I do, however, have the latest Swiss army knife - the one with the washing machine and rocket launcher functions!
True, but it was very, very disappointing to see how Bondi botched the Epstein reveal. A complete circus. Patel needs to show what he's made of SWAT team the SDNY and NY FBI HQ. The Ukraine stuff is important but it's clearing out the Deep State at home that is the key to victory.
I am still doubtful there is anything in the files? Why would anything that incriminating be allowed to still exisit? They have had more than enough time to destroy, redact and even rewrite parts
Is hard to find legit other non ideology based reviews, thanks for sharing, is helpful to see others views esp when honest and maybe even hard to say/acknowledge against own interests. T and his team an absolute wrecking ball to norms and protocols and hidden tacks and so very much needed and eye popping. Got others?
RS - Childers today does good write up on this as well, like MW, he ties to the French and UK sending theirs, failing, and Z is almost their last ditch attempt to get the security guarant, etc. and whatever private ends they have - Luongo sh be a good listen tomorrow
Pretty much a tour de force.
https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/a-great-fall-saturday-march-1-2025
Two points: 1. Quite honestly, the Oval Office scene did not make be proud to be American. USA started that war and put Z in that position. Lot of dishonesty on display, and the Alternative Media cheered.
2. MacGregor sent out an email, "Americans are tired of war . . . US should not go to war in Middle East . . . Take Action." Thanks, MacG, but what moral values say it's "good TV" to humiliate Z, the creature of US policy, while simultaneously adulating Bibi, who is carrying on even more criminal and illegal actions, with full approval and praise from same Oval Office Duo?
I think USA SHOULD go to war in Middle East, an air war to destroy Israel's entire air fleet to stop Israel's genocide.
I'll give Trump and Vance credit re yesterday. They didn't get into any of the pretend stuff. They flat out stated that all they were trying to do is save Ukraine from destruction. In a bigger way this demonstrates the serious problems we've run into with rule by Deep State and ignoring the Constitution--no declaration of war. We get into a major war and most of the population doesn't even know how it started.
MW - if I were a doctor and you showed me a patient with symptoms I could diagnose him - but I'm not, so would be all a mystery.
If I were a carpenter and you showed me a home with with structural issues I could make repairs, but I'm not, so I'm useless
If I were Nick Saban, I could assess the weakness of the other team to exploit and win, but I'm not, so...
to Trump and Vance, and esp if they were prepared for this 'deal,' all the little tells of Z about security or going it alone or about Putin breaking promises -- and many more -- were all tells to them that Z was trying to renegotiate the deal, in a big way; they couldn't not see it - to everyone else, is noise, etc - they knew were Z was headed and they weren't going to tolerate it. well played T and team, like most other moves they are making, they have a plan war-gamed out and are executing.
An interesting Polish opinion, fwiw
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2025/03/a-perspective-on-the-oval-office-blowup.php
Correct. There was a fairly long buildup to the breaking point of the conversation. Z was trying to publicly renegotiate what had been agreed upon--yes, he had been pressured into it, but that was always the deal with the Anglo-Zionists, that Ukraine was merely a proxy. Trump and Vance did see it coming but were willing to tolerate his insolence--but only up to a point. Z went past that point.
Undoubtedly Z was acting in a rehearsed way (rehearsed by the Euro ruling class) as well as acting in character.
OK guys. I & my peers were long ago taught to be 'humble in victory, gracious in defeat.'
You make good points. I concede.
BUT on follow-up essay, "Follow up on the Anglo-Zionist Meltdown," I have to insist: **Zionist** has not yet been dealt with adequately, equitably, or justly.
It's great that the Ukraine matter is in hand.
But not only is Middle East-Gaza still in flames, **zionists** in USA are well-funded, organized, and moving from strength to strength.
To the extent that the Z smack-down lionizes Trump-Vance, it may make it even more difficult for MacGregor to realize the message he emailed to OCOC today.
No definitive answer, because Trump doesn't just lay things out in public. However, Bannon speaking to Michael Tracy in two interviews--not long--is optimistic re Trump's intent in Middle East. Links toward bottom.
https://www.mtracey.net/p/lots-of-new-material-for-your-viewing
In fairness to Trump--and I have repeatedly expressed frustration with his rhetoric--the days when a POTUS could simply wave a wand (military magic) are over, and Trump, no matter his rhetoric, must operate within those constraints as well as political constraints. The political constraints are evolving, and my give him more freedom to operate in the future. We can only wait and see.
How could the Euro ruling class think this would work?
The self delusion involved is incredible.
“ Undoubtedly Z was acting in a rehearsed way (rehearsed by the Euro ruling class) as well as acting in character.”
I don't think they cared. I think the Euro trash leadership wanted to embarrass Trump on the world stage and in front of a home audience. This gives the anti-Trump media and all the Democrats who are floundering a new meme they can press to their advantage, they think. I think this backfires and the euro's may have just sealed the fate of NATO and that's a good think as far as I am concerned.
Agree - good analysis.
PP makes a similar point. No actual vote to declare war provides cover for our corrupt politicians to change positions without accountability.
Philip Pilkington @philippilk
Watching the “deeply corrupt compromised brigade” turn on Ukraine is a lesson on how power works in America. Watch who changes their mind after that display and you’ll know the phonies. Excellent test case.
Bingo. Flimsy Graham came out right on cue.
Did Zelensky and the European Leaders misread their, msm, neocon, and U.S. Allies influence in the U.S.?
Did they think they could bushwhack Trump on Ukraine, as was done by Ukraine in his second impeachment?
What happened in the Oval Office today was catastrophic for the EU. Zelensky dethroned himself and ended all hope of a rescue by the US. That will tangibly impact AFU morale and sow the seeds of eventual collapse. But far more significantly, it ends all hope that the EU can somehow muddle through the looming financial crisis via a Hail Mary pass in Ukraine. Bluster and BS in regard to rearming will fall on deaf ears in Moscow, so the sledgehammer of reality must now be confronted. There will soon be a flight of wealth from the EU to safer havens and away from the Euro, which will trigger insolvency in numerous central banks on the Continent. No doubt MI6 has a few false-flag OPs waiting to be green-lighted in the hope of triggering a Hail Mary Hail Mary of some sort. Let's hope the adults can put a stop to that before things get out of hand.
The Trump Zelensky White House Discussion Pure Gold For Trump
Trump does not have to sign the worthless Zelensky mineral agreement; Trump never wanted it in the first place
Now Trump does not need it
_ Face Saved _ Trump may abandon Ukraine to the EU as he always wanted
Canada...the federal government insanity runs deep
To be honest it seems more calculated to me. Now, why did I say, 'To be honest?' Just makes sense. Find a convenient victim that won't hit back.
Trudeau flew Canadian flag at half-mast for 6 months because of this fake story.
The same old perpetual warmongers such as Cheney and Bolton are calling out Trump and Vance for their so called disrespectful treatment of Z. There’s a freakout of the neocons on the left and right. From hero to persona non grata, Z fell from grace. Too bad it took so many people several years to recognize Z for what he is. And some still don’t.
Miss Lindsey! sure did an immediate about-face this afternoon, though. From the GOP's biggest Uke hawk in Congress to calling for Z-man's resignation today as someone the US can no longer work with. Must have gotten definitive word that the gravy train is gone for good.
Or maybe some old "snapshots" of him turned up.
The gravy train will continue by other means, though. I think Zelensky did what he was asked to do by the people who chose him from obscurity to star in a teevee show that set him up to become the president of Ukraine in time for a proxy war. And those same people will protect him, one way or another. He hit his marks and said his lines.
Oh certainly will continue, but on a different track. The resources deal? Sure, let’s do a whole new kind of business with the same Kolomoisky, Zlochesky and like scum who set up Z-man as their frontman for the current laundromat. Just thinking that Lindsey may not have been cut into the new one.
Continues, U.S. Pulls Plug on Ukraine Power Grid Funding
https://redstate.com/terichristoph/2025/02/28/more-zelensky-fallout-n2186136
Watch the EU fall in line with Trump/Vance and let go of Z.
I hope so, Cardi, but they are just crazy enough to go it alone. The statement from the EU idiots and the major European national leaders were pathetic and delusional in the extreme. These people know that this conflict is their last chance to pretend to be global players before the EU falls apart.
Z can retire to his mansion in Florida. Maybe it is next door to Mrs. Netanyahu's mansion in Florida. Maybe he can hire the same security outfit she has. 🌴
Pretty sure I called this (again) few days ago. US under Trump no longer cares about Europe, or Ukraine, or Zelensky, period. Game over. FAFO principle in full view. Send in peacekeepers if you want Starmer, Macron, etc. have a great time. What a great week humiliating all these useless and endlessly mischievous Euros. Glorious.
Trump’s statement was moving and powerful, “meaningful,” as he put it. “Glorious,” to quote NZ above.
I wonder if Trump and Vance somehow set Zelensky up?
Zelensky’s reaction was everything Trump could have hoped for.
Exactly. Especially after Steve Bannon recently expressed out loud... 'Walk Away'.
That's what Macgregor has been saying continually. Just walk away.
I do. As with Starmer yesterday, their good cop/bad cop (which they switch up) is pretty effective. Trump doesn't flinch when Vance says something pointed/undiplomatic and vice-versa. The stage then set, they both close in for the kill.
"their good cop/bad cop"
stellar
A more accurate explanation of events regarding Canada and the search for Indigenous children. No churches were dug up. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north/funding-ends-for-national-advisory-committee-on-residential-school-missing-children-1.7460534
Uh, no one claimed churches were dug up.
The Revolver article does phrase it poorly: "under churches".
Disinfo free zone.
Something Zelensky repeated several times to Vance and President Trump in the short video I watched was, "You are going to feel influence." What does he mean by that? Who's influence are we going to feel, the Israel Lobby? On the issue of the rare earth resources, aren't the majority of these resources in Russian possession? Pres. Trump has said he will want this land back. How, what's the leverage for a return of territory Russia has secured?
Wow...watching Danny & John now. That press conference was something else. Zelensky may as well been running down an alley with two pit bulls hanging off his pants legs. Well, maybe don't count on the neocon/neolib cabal to be in perpetual power & don't involve yourself in trying to unseat an American president. Don't skim money from your patron. Boy, has he bet on the wrong horse. Interesting that Trump remarked he thought the American people deserved to see & hear this. At the end of the day, I'm getting the drift that both the Trump WH & the Kremlin have realized that if they allow the UK/UKR/EU to push us into war with each other, nobody wins...its just mass death and destruction...WWIII.
"Trump remarked he thought the American people deserved to see & hear this"
Well played Mr President! Antidote for the 2019 phone call with Zelensky that led to the deep state and media's phony impeachment.
Yes, it looks like Trump did this to allow US citizens to see exactly what happens in these discussions—let the sunlight in. Honesty and transparency is what will restore our trust!
Agreed.
Listening the radio here in Europe this morning, it is clear that the EU is deadly serious about sending in a peacekeeping force to Ukraine. Hell, even the Swiss are gearing up their armed forces, training with the Austrian and Germans. Only a massive Trump slapdown on them will make them see sense.
Trump won't slap em down. He'll let them (EU) go to the wolves. Still have your Swiss uniform my friendt?
Indeed he will, Cardi. They thought they could manipulate the dumb old Yankees into doing all the heavy lifting while they piggybacked their way to an EU superstate. Now, I hope, they alone will shoulder the burden. Nope, I was never in the Swiss military. I was in the UK navy and still have my old uniform stashed away somewhere! I do, however, have the latest Swiss army knife - the one with the washing machine and rocket launcher functions!
Oh wow you're right. I have my swiss army knife too. Onwards to victory over Russia!
What is the reaction in Europe to the now infamous Oval Office meeting of today?
Would love to know what Putin thought.
Quite the dust up.
Is it just me or do US VPs usually sit in on these Oval Office events? I don't remember anything like this 2 on 1 performance!
I don't know yet, but I can easily predict it
2028 Prep.
So far so good!
True, but it was very, very disappointing to see how Bondi botched the Epstein reveal. A complete circus. Patel needs to show what he's made of SWAT team the SDNY and NY FBI HQ. The Ukraine stuff is important but it's clearing out the Deep State at home that is the key to victory.
I am still doubtful there is anything in the files? Why would anything that incriminating be allowed to still exisit? They have had more than enough time to destroy, redact and even rewrite parts
FBI SWAT team strikes the NY FBI HQ & SDNY. I like it. Should be a movie.