I can only speculate. My guess is that Wagner will now be fully integrated into the Russian army as a specialized unit. As for Prigozhin, I had expected that he would be dealt with severely--as deserved a mutineer in time of war. Was this a way to eliminate a nuisance from the scene after matters died down? Speculation. And is the sidelining of Surovikin part of this?
So much going on and so multi-dimensional it boggles the mind.
"It’s a game for all the marbles and that means a crash for Europe unless American Globalists betray the US into the hands of Davos." I think a crash for Europe is what BOTH the Neocons and the Davosians want but for different reasons. The Neocons want it so that Europe will be vassals indefinitely to the U.S. and cannot align with Russia; the Davosians want it so that they can commence the regional trial run of the "Great Reset" whereby European debt is all defaulted on and a CBDC is instituted and where everyone in Europe can own nothing and be happy by having bonds that pay them a pittance into perpetuity and then tell everyone else in the world how happy they are. Yes, both the Neocons and Davos are insane but when has that ever mattered?
Did someone say "coup" and pre-election fixing? If it makes anyone feel better it isn't just us doing this stuff:
One Robert Fico, former Prime Minister of Slovakia, leads the party Smer-SD. His party is leading in the polling prior to upcoming elections. Alas, "Fico is seen as 'pro-Russian,' in the sense that he wants the war to end through diplomacy instead of fighting Russia to the last Ukrainian." Bad mistake. Now his election opponents who are currently in power are arresting an array of former government officials aligned with him and are accusing V. Orban of interfering in the election process. Sound familiar? You can read the rest.
Yeh, I heard that the doorman at the hotel in Niger thought that Nuland looked a lot fatter in person.
Meanwhile back here in the good ol USA, does anyone actually think that the Robert’s Court would weigh in on something so monumentally important to the deep state as barring DJT from not being allowed on state ballots? I mean the court has bent itself into all kinds of misbegotten shapes to avoid giving legs to the idea that 2020 was stolen just as surely as Japan attacked Pearl Harbor. After Robert’s colossal betrayal on Obama Care, I have absolutely no confidence that he will do anything that helps DJT retake the Whitehouse. Never happen.
My guess Russia’s energy sales (hurting Russia, decreasing their economic power) to Europe has been the real target by the US, and Germany’s energy damage caused by the US was incidental.
This has been aided and abetted by the German Green Party jihad against nuclear energy, and against domestic fossil fuels.
End result is the de-industrialization of Germany.
Keeping in mind, “Never let an emergency go to waste”, the German Green Party is actually happy with resulting de-industrialization.
I suppose you could say we merely fulfilled NATO's purpose, but suppression of Germany has been central to that purpose for decades. It seems like all these other benefits you list flow from keeping Germany down. Except, perhaps, France selling energy (here's hoping Niger succeeds...).
Maybe the Germans just learned a hard lesson.
Well, OK, I misspoke: they haven't learned it, but the lesson is there for all with eyes to see.
Anarchy in North Africa, endless wars in the middle east, Kadhafi killed in 2011 by "what difference does it make?" Hillary, Muslim Brotherhood removed from power in Egypt and replaced with American friendly government, floodgate open to millions of "refugees" in 2015 into Europe. The US and the globalists have been working for years to destroy Europe so they can build it back better.
As for Russia, they are way ahead in implementing the technocratic policies that we can look forward to in the west, so I'm not sure that their oligarchs are any different than ours. They are all members of the same club, I think, while causing a lot of distraction as destruction takes place.
Africa may yet stand firm against the anti-human ambitions and save the world.
I don't really buy Tom's long and convoluted theories, much as I greatly admire his general stance on things. As for Germany being destroyed, it mentions this briefly above but it needs to be emphasised: the main player who destroyed Germany is Germany. Merkel was no great barrier to the neocons. It was she after all who let in 1.5 million "refugees" without consulting German people. It was also she who instigated the disastrous "Energiewende" green policies which have done as much to destroy German industry and economy as the sanctions. And finally, a leader who cared about his country and its people would have told the neocons to shove their sanctions, as well as named and shamed them for destroying the Nordstream pipeline. Germany wasn't murdered; it committed suicide. The only thing that will save them now is the same thing that will save every other European nation: a complete change in leadership and an extensive and heartfelt bout of grovelling to Russia.
Current and near term events are sure to present us with a new meaning to the term “Free World.” Who is dropping in and who is dropping out, any guesses?
The main question I have re Luongo's uber theory is whether Powell is truly at war with globalists or if he is simply preserving the FED and its owner banks, which would look the same. He did actually address that distinction in an interview recently, and he pointed to Powell's actual statements to support his contention that there is an anti-globalist subtext to Powell's actions.
Whatever the case, you need to distinguish between his core theory - that there is an existential war between globalists and sovereigntists underlying many of the events we are witnessing around the world, and which seems pretty darn credible - and the speculative tendrils of that thesis that seek to explain many second- and third-order events. He makes that distinction, frequently saying that he's just trying to make sense of what he's seeing in real time.
Everybody has their agenda, so conflicts pop up, but Powell finds himself facing a major collapse of the entire system, and he is reacting to prevent that. The mystery to me is why the other players seem oblivious to the danger.
Perhaps Powell has a clearer road to self- preservation.
The non- bank oligarchs see the looming destruction and believe they can push and pull on it so that they come out with their strength preserved on the other side.
It doesn't occur to them that catastrophe could be averted merely by leaving us alone.
Tom's main theory is correct. We can argue about the collective nouns, but it is a life or death struggle between globalists and sovereigntists. However, regarding Powell, sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. He's for preserving the authority of the Fed and the power of the US Big Banks. BTW, I love "speculative tendrils" - I used to have a girl friend with those! :)
I think Merkel is one of the figures re whom we need to distinguish Neocons and Globalists. I'd put her in the Globalist camp--but pragmatically. She was fine with Nordstream, even as she appeased the Climatistas. A real chameleon.
I believe Merkel was a Merkelist. She was an amoral political animal who felt no compunction whatsoever when it came to doing things to maintain and expand her own political power. She would align herself with whomever she needed to at any given time regardless of ideology or principle when it suited her purposes. Thus, she could be a Green, a Davosian, an Atlanticist, a Russian apologist, or whatever she needed to be. The next week it could be different. Ironically, by being this way she kept Germany together on the surface politically while contributing to underlying rot.
Also left out of the Niger story is France's stranglehold by requiring the use of CFA as Niger's currency, which totally sucks any reserves back to Paris. Really the last vestige of their colonial rule, and arguably the financial lifeblood of Paris, since all they truly export are rulez.
With Arabella and their foreign megadonors working this closely with the White House, “I don't see Democrats remotely concerned about the influence of foreign money, even though they spent years hammering Trump about being a supposed Russian asset,” says Ludwig.
You know what? Sometime back I stopped wringing my hands over all these awful things. Yet I still have to read every post and all the comments on Meaning in History because it’s all just too interesting to pass up.
People might even be encouraged to produce more if taxes were lowered, end up contributing more in tax dollars and contribute to a healthy economy as well.
I don't think we're screwed. I just think that we're facing massive upheaval. We're all going to have to hang tough and fight it out for something better. I agree about retirement. I might go part-time when I'm 104.
We will see after the Greatest Depression ever. In the 1930s there was little public or private debt. How will our guv'mint provide bread and circuses for the starving masses?
What's your take on Prigozhin? and the rest of the Wagner group? Will they see where the borscht is coming from?
I can only speculate. My guess is that Wagner will now be fully integrated into the Russian army as a specialized unit. As for Prigozhin, I had expected that he would be dealt with severely--as deserved a mutineer in time of war. Was this a way to eliminate a nuisance from the scene after matters died down? Speculation. And is the sidelining of Surovikin part of this?
So much going on and so multi-dimensional it boggles the mind.
"It’s a game for all the marbles and that means a crash for Europe unless American Globalists betray the US into the hands of Davos." I think a crash for Europe is what BOTH the Neocons and the Davosians want but for different reasons. The Neocons want it so that Europe will be vassals indefinitely to the U.S. and cannot align with Russia; the Davosians want it so that they can commence the regional trial run of the "Great Reset" whereby European debt is all defaulted on and a CBDC is instituted and where everyone in Europe can own nothing and be happy by having bonds that pay them a pittance into perpetuity and then tell everyone else in the world how happy they are. Yes, both the Neocons and Davos are insane but when has that ever mattered?
Did someone say "coup" and pre-election fixing? If it makes anyone feel better it isn't just us doing this stuff:
https://www.thewaywardrabbler.com/p/slovakias-pre-election-purge
One Robert Fico, former Prime Minister of Slovakia, leads the party Smer-SD. His party is leading in the polling prior to upcoming elections. Alas, "Fico is seen as 'pro-Russian,' in the sense that he wants the war to end through diplomacy instead of fighting Russia to the last Ukrainian." Bad mistake. Now his election opponents who are currently in power are arresting an array of former government officials aligned with him and are accusing V. Orban of interfering in the election process. Sound familiar? You can read the rest.
Yeh, I heard that the doorman at the hotel in Niger thought that Nuland looked a lot fatter in person.
Meanwhile back here in the good ol USA, does anyone actually think that the Robert’s Court would weigh in on something so monumentally important to the deep state as barring DJT from not being allowed on state ballots? I mean the court has bent itself into all kinds of misbegotten shapes to avoid giving legs to the idea that 2020 was stolen just as surely as Japan attacked Pearl Harbor. After Robert’s colossal betrayal on Obama Care, I have absolutely no confidence that he will do anything that helps DJT retake the Whitehouse. Never happen.
My guess Russia’s energy sales (hurting Russia, decreasing their economic power) to Europe has been the real target by the US, and Germany’s energy damage caused by the US was incidental.
This has been aided and abetted by the German Green Party jihad against nuclear energy, and against domestic fossil fuels.
End result is the de-industrialization of Germany.
Keeping in mind, “Never let an emergency go to waste”, the German Green Party is actually happy with resulting de-industrialization.
Perhaps, but it's too big to truly be considered incidental.
Hmm…
Cui bono? Who Benefits?
- US energy producers
- France Supply electric power
- greens advancing de-industrialization policy
- us hurting Russia economically
- China
- Any anti German country (Poland)
- Fed weakening Europe to reduce their influence - Euro Dollars and central bank digital currencies
"...keep Germany down and Russia out..."
I suppose you could say we merely fulfilled NATO's purpose, but suppression of Germany has been central to that purpose for decades. It seems like all these other benefits you list flow from keeping Germany down. Except, perhaps, France selling energy (here's hoping Niger succeeds...).
Maybe the Germans just learned a hard lesson.
Well, OK, I misspoke: they haven't learned it, but the lesson is there for all with eyes to see.
Oops, I should have added England to the list…
Anarchy in North Africa, endless wars in the middle east, Kadhafi killed in 2011 by "what difference does it make?" Hillary, Muslim Brotherhood removed from power in Egypt and replaced with American friendly government, floodgate open to millions of "refugees" in 2015 into Europe. The US and the globalists have been working for years to destroy Europe so they can build it back better.
As for Russia, they are way ahead in implementing the technocratic policies that we can look forward to in the west, so I'm not sure that their oligarchs are any different than ours. They are all members of the same club, I think, while causing a lot of distraction as destruction takes place.
Africa may yet stand firm against the anti-human ambitions and save the world.
Seems Russian oligarchs have largely been neutered by Putin, and don’t have the power they used to have.
Never underestimate Joe Biden’s ability to Fuchs things up! (Along with nuland and the rest of the neocon gang that can’t shoot straight. )
I don't really buy Tom's long and convoluted theories, much as I greatly admire his general stance on things. As for Germany being destroyed, it mentions this briefly above but it needs to be emphasised: the main player who destroyed Germany is Germany. Merkel was no great barrier to the neocons. It was she after all who let in 1.5 million "refugees" without consulting German people. It was also she who instigated the disastrous "Energiewende" green policies which have done as much to destroy German industry and economy as the sanctions. And finally, a leader who cared about his country and its people would have told the neocons to shove their sanctions, as well as named and shamed them for destroying the Nordstream pipeline. Germany wasn't murdered; it committed suicide. The only thing that will save them now is the same thing that will save every other European nation: a complete change in leadership and an extensive and heartfelt bout of grovelling to Russia.
Current and near term events are sure to present us with a new meaning to the term “Free World.” Who is dropping in and who is dropping out, any guesses?
The main question I have re Luongo's uber theory is whether Powell is truly at war with globalists or if he is simply preserving the FED and its owner banks, which would look the same. He did actually address that distinction in an interview recently, and he pointed to Powell's actual statements to support his contention that there is an anti-globalist subtext to Powell's actions.
Whatever the case, you need to distinguish between his core theory - that there is an existential war between globalists and sovereigntists underlying many of the events we are witnessing around the world, and which seems pretty darn credible - and the speculative tendrils of that thesis that seek to explain many second- and third-order events. He makes that distinction, frequently saying that he's just trying to make sense of what he's seeing in real time.
Very well stated.
Everybody has their agenda, so conflicts pop up, but Powell finds himself facing a major collapse of the entire system, and he is reacting to prevent that. The mystery to me is why the other players seem oblivious to the danger.
Perhaps Powell has a clearer road to self- preservation.
The non- bank oligarchs see the looming destruction and believe they can push and pull on it so that they come out with their strength preserved on the other side.
It doesn't occur to them that catastrophe could be averted merely by leaving us alone.
Tom's main theory is correct. We can argue about the collective nouns, but it is a life or death struggle between globalists and sovereigntists. However, regarding Powell, sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. He's for preserving the authority of the Fed and the power of the US Big Banks. BTW, I love "speculative tendrils" - I used to have a girl friend with those! :)
I think Merkel is one of the figures re whom we need to distinguish Neocons and Globalists. I'd put her in the Globalist camp--but pragmatically. She was fine with Nordstream, even as she appeased the Climatistas. A real chameleon.
I believe Merkel was a Merkelist. She was an amoral political animal who felt no compunction whatsoever when it came to doing things to maintain and expand her own political power. She would align herself with whomever she needed to at any given time regardless of ideology or principle when it suited her purposes. Thus, she could be a Green, a Davosian, an Atlanticist, a Russian apologist, or whatever she needed to be. The next week it could be different. Ironically, by being this way she kept Germany together on the surface politically while contributing to underlying rot.
Thanks, Mark. I often use the terms synonymously, but yes, there are differences. She was definitely in the WEF Euroglobalist camp.
She was an East German communist. Don’t forget that.
Also left out of the Niger story is France's stranglehold by requiring the use of CFA as Niger's currency, which totally sucks any reserves back to Paris. Really the last vestige of their colonial rule, and arguably the financial lifeblood of Paris, since all they truly export are rulez.
Yep. France and the US were really caught flat footed on this one.
Related: https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2023/08/22/the_progressive_benefactor_who_makes_us_barriers_to_foreign_cash_look_like_swiss_cheese_973986.html
Thanks!
With Arabella and their foreign megadonors working this closely with the White House, “I don't see Democrats remotely concerned about the influence of foreign money, even though they spent years hammering Trump about being a supposed Russian asset,” says Ludwig.
You know what? Sometime back I stopped wringing my hands over all these awful things. Yet I still have to read every post and all the comments on Meaning in History because it’s all just too interesting to pass up.
Maybe Mark should change the name to Meanies in History. Lots of nasty people out there right now who want to do us harm!
You may be correct but your ideas are subversive.
Ah, but tax people less and they might get uppity ideas about being free citizens.
People might even be encouraged to produce more if taxes were lowered, end up contributing more in tax dollars and contribute to a healthy economy as well.
I don't think we're screwed. I just think that we're facing massive upheaval. We're all going to have to hang tough and fight it out for something better. I agree about retirement. I might go part-time when I'm 104.
We will see after the Greatest Depression ever. In the 1930s there was little public or private debt. How will our guv'mint provide bread and circuses for the starving masses?