Stopping at the Dneiper may not be an option. As a commenter at NC points out, you need to control the entire Dneiper watershed to prevent say, the UKR half of Kiev to dump all it's sewage in it, poisoning the ag lands below. It's a problem....
Alexander Mercouris has made the point repeatedly that the Dnieper is not a boundary river but a trade / industry river.
I think Russia will be under pressure from the BRICS nations to limit the land grab, but simultaneously, with an implacably hostile neo-Nazi population in western Ukraine I don't see how they allow that people group to have access to either the Dneiper or Odessa.
Maybe they keep what they have, partition the rest into land-locked Banderatopia in the far west and the remainder becomes a puppet buffer state under Russia's direct control.
The Russians might just go for this plan. War weariness and the realisation that NATO aren't that much of a force to be reckoned with could clinch the deal.
On top of that, should Russia break through to the Dnieper, what then?
I agree. I will not be shocked if Putin takes this deal eventually. I believe his first concern was the well being of the people in the Donbas. If under a peace agreement Russia receives the four Oblasts and Crimea it may be enough for him, even with Ukraine in NATO.
Absolutely. Nato simply cannot acknowledge it’s been out-manned, out-gunned and out-gamed by Russia, which once proposed joining this group of morons. I think that even if Russia takes the full measure of Nato weakness, peace will be on its own terms. Nyet means nyet.
Stopping at the Dneiper may not be an option. As a commenter at NC points out, you need to control the entire Dneiper watershed to prevent say, the UKR half of Kiev to dump all it's sewage in it, poisoning the ag lands below. It's a problem....
Alexander Mercouris has made the point repeatedly that the Dnieper is not a boundary river but a trade / industry river.
I think Russia will be under pressure from the BRICS nations to limit the land grab, but simultaneously, with an implacably hostile neo-Nazi population in western Ukraine I don't see how they allow that people group to have access to either the Dneiper or Odessa.
Maybe they keep what they have, partition the rest into land-locked Banderatopia in the far west and the remainder becomes a puppet buffer state under Russia's direct control.
As always, the big "if" is and will remain, Odessa.
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Odessa is not if. Its when.
The Russians might just go for this plan. War weariness and the realisation that NATO aren't that much of a force to be reckoned with could clinch the deal.
On top of that, should Russia break through to the Dnieper, what then?
I agree. I will not be shocked if Putin takes this deal eventually. I believe his first concern was the well being of the people in the Donbas. If under a peace agreement Russia receives the four Oblasts and Crimea it may be enough for him, even with Ukraine in NATO.
Go on to Odessa I would think and hope.
I think this idea of land for peace is DOA also. For one it does not even begin to fulfill the oft stated objectives of the SMO.
Denazificatin and demilitaritzation.
Absolutely. Nato simply cannot acknowledge it’s been out-manned, out-gunned and out-gamed by Russia, which once proposed joining this group of morons. I think that even if Russia takes the full measure of Nato weakness, peace will be on its own terms. Nyet means nyet.
Exactly. Russia must take Odessa, for a multitude of reasons.
NATO and US have proven they are agreement incapable.
Thus is just another rearm the Ukraine over a few years proposal.
Nyet. No way