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Stephen McIntyre's avatar

I disagree with your take (and the take of most Americans) on the recent Canadian election. (I'm Canadian.) At no time did Poilevre and Conservatives have a lead over the combined polling for Liberals plus further left parties (NDP, Green). As the prospect of a Poilevre majority government loomed, NDP and Green voters moved tactically and massively to Liberals in order to defeat Poilevre. There wasn't any collapse of Conservative vote. Poilevre's final vote was more or less identical to polling at start of campaign, It was highest Conservative poll in 40 years and would ordinarily have been sufficient to form a majority. But not sufficient to defeat the flight of far left voters to Liberals.

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Mark Wauck's avatar

I never spoke of a "collapse" of the Conservative vote. I spoke of a Conservative "debacle"--they had a chance and seem to have blown it. The polling suggests that the dynamics of the voting was driven heavily by anti-Trump sentiment. I was going with the idea that the tactical move against a Conservative government was driven by that sentiment. However, I'm not heavily invested in that.

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Mark Wauck's avatar

https://www.theamericanconservative.com/trump-leads-liberals-to-an-upset-victory-in-canada/

Trump Leads Liberals to an Upset Victory in Canada

Opposition to the American president drove third-party votes to Mark Carney’s Liberal Party.

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AmericanCardigan's avatar

Not a big fan of AB. However, I don't see Japan changing much. Alot of huff and puff IMO.

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Joe's avatar

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Ultimatel,y Europe will join with Russia - or be isolated miserable and bankrupt with no natural resources - they may as well start now -

Japan will join with China

US will join with Canada and South America

and then there is Africa -

3 world regions Russia China US coveting natural resources

and carving up African to rob them of what they have

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Velociraver's avatar

Canadian conservatives lost the election because MOST Canadians aren't picking up what PP put down. PP is a career politician who has spent 20 years accomplishing nothing but a reputation as an asshole and the nickname of "Skippy"..nobody on the world stage, certainly not Xi, Putin or Trump, would ever take him seriously. Beyond that, his last-minute platform didn't add up..he had 20 years to audition for a job that Carney clinched in four months.

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Claudia's avatar

Actually, almost half the country voted Conservative, despite the non-stop propaganda of Lib-controlled MSM and the voting shenanigans. There is now a strong possibility that parts of Canada will break away, so this is a Pyrrhic victory for the globalists.

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Velociraver's avatar

Don't forget treaties with the First Nations, who OWN Alberta 😏

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Velociraver's avatar

Voting shenanigans? You mean Conservatives heckling voters in line? Ya know, if you shanan once, you'll likely shenanigan 🤷‍♂️

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Claudia's avatar

There are lots of examples, but here's one:

https://x.com/jimfergusonuk/status/1917356399022981278

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Velociraver's avatar

This is an "example" of a fool not grasping that his 52 measly boxes of votes will not turn the tide PROJECTED to take the election. Sufficient votes were counted in other provinces which closed hours eaier on the East Coast to clinch the lead, and the fool in England who posted doesn't seem to grasp the concept of Canada's great expanse and different time zones 🙄

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AmericanCardigan's avatar

Agreed. The Canadian media is a pawn of the government. Will need Elon Musk or similar Canadian to buy the media outlets.

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Velociraver's avatar

There is NO possibility that any province will break away, because the PM would forge a new provincial agreement to assuage bitchy westerners. Alberta secession is a lurid fantasy of people with no grasp of Realpolitik.

"Lib controlled MSM", you say? Who do you suppose cares what MSM says, besides people like you with an axe to grind? Carney won because PP is an ulikeable goblin and the majority of us don't trust him to run a hot dog cart, nevermind Canada.

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AmericanCardigan's avatar

Tis a lib / government controlled Canadian MSM. Not hard to fathom.

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Velociraver's avatar

In 2025, really...who gives a flying fuck about MSM? Who even has a cable subscription these days? Anyone still clinging to MSM for news deserves to be as deluded as they are 🤷‍♂️

Alberta isn't going anywhere in your lifetime and neither is PP's political "career".

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Claudia's avatar

Here a constitutional lawyer explains Alberta's recent changes and the path to independence: https://youtu.be/r4pfdfSRZUQ

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Velociraver's avatar

Tell him to read the First Nations treaties and try again.

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Mark Wauck's avatar

Of course that's true. However, it's worth asking whether Canadians would be better off if they cleaned up their act in Canada rather than submerging themselves in the larger USA--which has many problems. It's not a problem that's unique to Canada. It's worth asking why virtually any Western nation I can think of is incapable of identifying its true interests as a nation and voting for that agenda. My answer is that the overall explanation for this is the collapse of Christian faith in an historically meaningful sense. I don't include the various apocalyptic ideologies that masquerade as Christian as truly. They are incapable of addressing cultural problems--which are the real problems--on a national, much less a regional, scale.

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AmericanCardigan's avatar

Agreed. Faith to a large extent and historical nature of background e.g. Great Britain influence.

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Claudia's avatar

One more thing: The key problem in Canada is that it's been, and continues to be, under the control of globalists. Unfettered immigration is a huge problem. In the last decade alone, the population has grown from 35.7 million to 41.5 million, so the infrastructure is falling apart - the cost of living is through the roof, and there's not enough housing, schools, and doctors.

Carney’s priority is not Canadians, and his policies will turn Canada into a third-world country.

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Steel's avatar

I think that population increase happened in five years, not ten.

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AmericanCardigan's avatar

and that equalization tax is crazy. I'd be pissed.

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Claudia's avatar

You're assuming the parts that break away would join the States. Several provinces and territories are rich enough in natural resources that they could flourish as independent countries. Not only that, some have excellent leaders, like Alberta's Danielle Smith.

I love Canada, but it hasn't been a cohesive country in a very long time and that's not going to change. We need to break away from Ontario and Québec, which demand everything and give nothing back in return as they trample our rights and freedoms.

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Manul's avatar

This is what my favorite politically astute German has to tweet about Rubio’s tweet.

https://x.com/eugyppius1/status/1918638257211941030?s=46

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Mark Wauck's avatar

Nevertheless it remains that AfD will be well advised to be careful about appearing to align with Trump 2.0.

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Manul's avatar

In general, diplomacy via tweet is problematic. Dialog and nuance are required, and is difficult to do in 280 characters or less.

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dissonant1's avatar

Agree - Eugyppius is excellent. Here is an extended treatment of the subject:

https://www.eugyppius.com/p/domestic-spy-agency-declares-alternative

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