Israel has also shown that they have no regard for others as fellow humans and are incapable of dealing respectfully or honestly. I used to be a fan, not any more.
IMHO, they are keenly aware that Iran could utterly destroy them with a dirty bomb, easily achievable and certainly capably delivered. The fancy nuke isn't required.
But for Iran to destroy the Holy Sites within Israel would be a crime against Islam. They won't do it. But at the rate Israel is going, someone else will.
There's a lot to dislike about the Mullahs of Iran, but their strict adherence to their religion is all that keeps Israel breathing.
I do not agree with the idea that Israel is the problem and is pro war exclusively. It is a fact that they have been relentlessly attacked since their inception . The people of Israel have come to the conclusion that there is no agreement possible with the Palestinians . They are done with them. No two states . Autonomy but limited . Gaza is finished. Hezbollah is done as well. Iran? Well Israel sent the message : we will attack you effectively. The bomb ? If Iran wants it there isn’t much anyone can do about it . But I think the message was sent that it’s a waste of time: use it and the Persian world will not exist . Period. Bottom line is that Israel has shown it has many weapons and the Iranians are no match for Israel in brainpower. Never will be close. Never. So Trumps message of peace and commerce vs constant terror has won out. Israel stands tall and the US is NOT going to be involved in a Middle East war. Maybe there will be a regime change. We now refocus on the big issue: Islam. Europe needs to wake up. Trump will settle the Ukraine war on Putin terms. As it should be. The stupidity of of our elite class has been laid bare. No more wars, refocus on our well being : trade , industry , OUR citizens first always. Fix the elections and RICO the Democratic Party to oblivion .
This country [Iran] is a high tech country. It's not as highly developed as the most rich and advanced western states, but it is not a group of monkeys running around in the desert. It's a group of sophisticated, highly educated, highly accomplished people who have built a very advanced society, who are more than capable to do this. I know many of these people. I know people in the Middle East. I have friends in Arab countries. I have friends in Russia. I have friends in China--it's what I do for a living. I talk to these people, I work collaboratively with these people, because we all are working for a safer world. These people I work with are not maniacs.
- Ted Postol
Professor emeritus of Science, Technology, and International Security at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. Prior to his work at MIT, he worked at Argonne National Laboratory, the Pentagon, and Stanford University. He was on the editorial board of the journal Science & Global Security until 2019.
Congratulations, Mark, you’ve “arrived”. You now have enough visibility to have attracted your own Hasbara bot. This one is scripted to be articulate, calm and ever-so-reasonable. Prepare for the infestation.
"Iranians are no match for Israel in brainpower. Never will be close. Never."
Yeah, you wouldn't believe--or maybe you would--the number of emails I get from Jewish readers proclaiming that Jews are better, smarter, more moral, than everyone else.
Well compared to the followers of Islam they are smarter and more moral, thank God for them. I do have my issues with Israel , the settlements mainly. Problematic for any two state solution. But they didn’t form a state when they were no Jews in the West Bank. Then with the Clinton Arafat negotiations they gave up 90% + and rejected that and started another terror campaign . They gave them Gaza , we all know that worked out. I have seen interviews of Palestinians and it’s pretty much certain that they think that Israel is their land and that’s it. No peace. The Gaza story shows that even benign neglect won’t work . The Jews will figure it out . They have one weakness for all their gifts : self preservation. It is a fair criticism that after the holocaust they decided that starting a nation in the one area of the world that hated them more the the Europeans : the Arabs of Islam in the Middle East was a good idea.
"They didn’t form a state when they were no Jews in the West Bank." Maybe that was because of the Nakba in 1948 and following? If you do not know what that was:
"Nakba is the ethnic cleansing of Palestinian Arabs through their violent displacement and dispossession of land, property, and belongings, along with the destruction of their society and the suppression of their culture, identity, political rights, and national aspirations."
The few Palestinians I have known are Christians and emigrated to the U.S. as a direct result of the Nakba. I consider them every bit as intelligent and moral as the Jews I have known.
The Nakba was their expulsion from the boundaries of Israel . The majority went to the West Bank adjacent to Israel where there were few Jews. It is here where from 1948 until the Six Day war in 1967 they could have formed a state. They did not. It is here where a second state has been envisioned and was again rejected by Arafat in the late 90’s. They rejected it and began a wave of terror. Israel gave up Gaza and was rewarded with Hamas.
That's more disinformation. It's easy to glance at any historical maps to see that Nakba involved expelling as many Arabs as possible, not only from partition areas that the West assigned to the Jews but also by expanding those partition borders further. Those were illegal annexations and expulsions under international law--for which you appear to have no regard--and which the Palestinians refused to recognize. The same historical maps will show the injustice of the West's partition of Palestine, assigning large Arab majority areas (Galilee, the Negev) to the Jews, which is why the Palestinians refused to accept the boundaries that were imposed upon them--due to the political influence of Jews in the West who rode roughshod over Arab objections.
Between 1948 and 1967 the Jews continued their policy of gradually occupying more territory and squeezing Palestinians off their lands. You speak of Palestinian terror but say nothing of Jewish oppression and dispossession, of the racialist policies that deprived Palestinians of equal rights, of the Jewish terror that was explicit Jewish policy in Palestine--before 1948 and during the Nakba and ever since.
There's too much mis- dis- information here to address in detail. Instead I'll focus on just one aspect which is fundamental:
"after the holocaust [the Jews] decided that starting a nation in the one area of the world that hated them more the the Europeans ... was a good idea."
Where in the world did you get the idea that Zionist Jews decided to start their own nation in Palestine *after the holocaust*? That decision was made in the late 19th century and *always* included the idea of dispossessing Palestinians--a process that was well under way before WW2. In fact, in the past I quoted a very highly placed Jew--a British cabinet member during the First World War--dissenting in a letter to Lord Rothschild from Rothschild's plan (embodied in the Balfour Declaration in 1917) to establish a Jewish state in Palestine that would involve dispossessing Palestinians.
I’m aware of the Balfour Declaration , my point was that AFTER the holocaust they went ahead with forming their state amidst people who hate them and supported Hitler.
2. Your point is misguided and contrary to history. The foundations for the future state of Israel had begun being laid even before Balfour. For example, in 1902 the NYT reported on a major Zionist meeting in Chicago to plan for "colonizing Palestine with Jews."
3. Israel didn't spring out of nowhere in 1948. The IDF, for example, was formed in 1948 by simply incorporating the already existing Jewish terrorist paramilitaries, some of which had been in existence since 1920.
4. Your characterization of Arabs as "people who ... supported Hitler" is one sided--at best.
Thank you, Mark, for your articulate responses to the contrarian. You kept your cool, and delivered facts backed up by multiple sources.
We are all human beings made in God's image. God did not decree that members of one race, culture, or country are inherently and collectively better than another.
The dust is still settling on this one, but the long term trajectory is the same: the GAE and Israel are on the downward path, while the Global South is getting stronger. "BRICS isn't a maniacs' club" is a great slogan to have if you want to get the Rest of the World on your side. Who the heck wants to team up with Trump, Netanyahu and the poisoned dwarfs in Brussels?
Israel has also shown that they have no regard for others as fellow humans and are incapable of dealing respectfully or honestly. I used to be a fan, not any more.
IMHO, they are keenly aware that Iran could utterly destroy them with a dirty bomb, easily achievable and certainly capably delivered. The fancy nuke isn't required.
But for Iran to destroy the Holy Sites within Israel would be a crime against Islam. They won't do it. But at the rate Israel is going, someone else will.
There's a lot to dislike about the Mullahs of Iran, but their strict adherence to their religion is all that keeps Israel breathing.
https://www.rt.com/news/620551-mossads-thanks-cia-for-iran/
I do not agree with the idea that Israel is the problem and is pro war exclusively. It is a fact that they have been relentlessly attacked since their inception . The people of Israel have come to the conclusion that there is no agreement possible with the Palestinians . They are done with them. No two states . Autonomy but limited . Gaza is finished. Hezbollah is done as well. Iran? Well Israel sent the message : we will attack you effectively. The bomb ? If Iran wants it there isn’t much anyone can do about it . But I think the message was sent that it’s a waste of time: use it and the Persian world will not exist . Period. Bottom line is that Israel has shown it has many weapons and the Iranians are no match for Israel in brainpower. Never will be close. Never. So Trumps message of peace and commerce vs constant terror has won out. Israel stands tall and the US is NOT going to be involved in a Middle East war. Maybe there will be a regime change. We now refocus on the big issue: Islam. Europe needs to wake up. Trump will settle the Ukraine war on Putin terms. As it should be. The stupidity of of our elite class has been laid bare. No more wars, refocus on our well being : trade , industry , OUR citizens first always. Fix the elections and RICO the Democratic Party to oblivion .
This country [Iran] is a high tech country. It's not as highly developed as the most rich and advanced western states, but it is not a group of monkeys running around in the desert. It's a group of sophisticated, highly educated, highly accomplished people who have built a very advanced society, who are more than capable to do this. I know many of these people. I know people in the Middle East. I have friends in Arab countries. I have friends in Russia. I have friends in China--it's what I do for a living. I talk to these people, I work collaboratively with these people, because we all are working for a safer world. These people I work with are not maniacs.
- Ted Postol
Professor emeritus of Science, Technology, and International Security at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. Prior to his work at MIT, he worked at Argonne National Laboratory, the Pentagon, and Stanford University. He was on the editorial board of the journal Science & Global Security until 2019.
Congratulations, Mark, you’ve “arrived”. You now have enough visibility to have attracted your own Hasbara bot. This one is scripted to be articulate, calm and ever-so-reasonable. Prepare for the infestation.
I assure you, I've attracted some of the frothing at the mouth crowd.
"Iranians are no match for Israel in brainpower. Never will be close. Never."
Yeah, you wouldn't believe--or maybe you would--the number of emails I get from Jewish readers proclaiming that Jews are better, smarter, more moral, than everyone else.
Well compared to the followers of Islam they are smarter and more moral, thank God for them. I do have my issues with Israel , the settlements mainly. Problematic for any two state solution. But they didn’t form a state when they were no Jews in the West Bank. Then with the Clinton Arafat negotiations they gave up 90% + and rejected that and started another terror campaign . They gave them Gaza , we all know that worked out. I have seen interviews of Palestinians and it’s pretty much certain that they think that Israel is their land and that’s it. No peace. The Gaza story shows that even benign neglect won’t work . The Jews will figure it out . They have one weakness for all their gifts : self preservation. It is a fair criticism that after the holocaust they decided that starting a nation in the one area of the world that hated them more the the Europeans : the Arabs of Islam in the Middle East was a good idea.
"They didn’t form a state when they were no Jews in the West Bank." Maybe that was because of the Nakba in 1948 and following? If you do not know what that was:
"Nakba is the ethnic cleansing of Palestinian Arabs through their violent displacement and dispossession of land, property, and belongings, along with the destruction of their society and the suppression of their culture, identity, political rights, and national aspirations."
The few Palestinians I have known are Christians and emigrated to the U.S. as a direct result of the Nakba. I consider them every bit as intelligent and moral as the Jews I have known.
The Nakba was their expulsion from the boundaries of Israel . The majority went to the West Bank adjacent to Israel where there were few Jews. It is here where from 1948 until the Six Day war in 1967 they could have formed a state. They did not. It is here where a second state has been envisioned and was again rejected by Arafat in the late 90’s. They rejected it and began a wave of terror. Israel gave up Gaza and was rewarded with Hamas.
That's more disinformation. It's easy to glance at any historical maps to see that Nakba involved expelling as many Arabs as possible, not only from partition areas that the West assigned to the Jews but also by expanding those partition borders further. Those were illegal annexations and expulsions under international law--for which you appear to have no regard--and which the Palestinians refused to recognize. The same historical maps will show the injustice of the West's partition of Palestine, assigning large Arab majority areas (Galilee, the Negev) to the Jews, which is why the Palestinians refused to accept the boundaries that were imposed upon them--due to the political influence of Jews in the West who rode roughshod over Arab objections.
Between 1948 and 1967 the Jews continued their policy of gradually occupying more territory and squeezing Palestinians off their lands. You speak of Palestinian terror but say nothing of Jewish oppression and dispossession, of the racialist policies that deprived Palestinians of equal rights, of the Jewish terror that was explicit Jewish policy in Palestine--before 1948 and during the Nakba and ever since.
There's too much mis- dis- information here to address in detail. Instead I'll focus on just one aspect which is fundamental:
"after the holocaust [the Jews] decided that starting a nation in the one area of the world that hated them more the the Europeans ... was a good idea."
Where in the world did you get the idea that Zionist Jews decided to start their own nation in Palestine *after the holocaust*? That decision was made in the late 19th century and *always* included the idea of dispossessing Palestinians--a process that was well under way before WW2. In fact, in the past I quoted a very highly placed Jew--a British cabinet member during the First World War--dissenting in a letter to Lord Rothschild from Rothschild's plan (embodied in the Balfour Declaration in 1917) to establish a Jewish state in Palestine that would involve dispossessing Palestinians.
I’m aware of the Balfour Declaration , my point was that AFTER the holocaust they went ahead with forming their state amidst people who hate them and supported Hitler.
Sheesh, I thought that Jews were supposed to be smarter than the average bear (or goyim).
Weren't they offered land in Brazil to settle? Instead, they decide to settle in a place with enemies on all sides?
Clearly the Holocaust shook Jews up more then we thought!
1. You didn't state that as your point.
2. Your point is misguided and contrary to history. The foundations for the future state of Israel had begun being laid even before Balfour. For example, in 1902 the NYT reported on a major Zionist meeting in Chicago to plan for "colonizing Palestine with Jews."
3. Israel didn't spring out of nowhere in 1948. The IDF, for example, was formed in 1948 by simply incorporating the already existing Jewish terrorist paramilitaries, some of which had been in existence since 1920.
4. Your characterization of Arabs as "people who ... supported Hitler" is one sided--at best.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relations_between_Nazi_Germany_and_the_Arab_world
5. You seem to be eager to condemn Arabs but unaware of Zionist collaboration with Nazi Germany.
https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=zionist+collaboration+with+nazis&ia=web
Thank you, Mark, for your articulate responses to the contrarian. You kept your cool, and delivered facts backed up by multiple sources.
We are all human beings made in God's image. God did not decree that members of one race, culture, or country are inherently and collectively better than another.
The dust is still settling on this one, but the long term trajectory is the same: the GAE and Israel are on the downward path, while the Global South is getting stronger. "BRICS isn't a maniacs' club" is a great slogan to have if you want to get the Rest of the World on your side. Who the heck wants to team up with Trump, Netanyahu and the poisoned dwarfs in Brussels?