Luongo is making stuff up. And he doesn't know the law, either. This EO, like probably all of the EOs, was in the works for at least months--many of the EOs were probably prepared over a year ago. It's nonsensical to suggest that Trump wrote that anti-semitism EO with the intent of deporting Brit agents. Nonsense. What happened is the Zionist groups caught a Brit agent without knowing it.
This is the slippery slope We are going down as regards to free speech. So we’re going to label everyone who objects to the genocide going on in Gaza as being a supporter of terrorism via Hamas.
We will not make any distinction between being labeled a terrorist and being labeled someone who is concerned about genocide going on. I really don’t think I have read anything dating that most of these people protesting Israel and the war in Gaza have anything to do with supporting Hamas, Hetzbollah, and Iran. At some point there’s gonna be lawsuits filed if not already and it’s gonna get to the Supreme Court and they’re gonna have to make the call on this.
As for targeting Yemen and the Houthis using AirPower drones, etc., they’re going to find that that’s not going to work obviously they didn’t learn anything from the six year war between Saudi Arabia and Yemen.
One thing that was learn post World War II was that strategic bombing did not, and could not ever win the war. Even after all of the years of raids over Europe, daylight and nighttime Germany still did not yield. You have to put in boots on the ground an army to finish the job. Is Trump prepared to invade Yemen to do that? is he prepared to put boots on the ground in the middle east to subdue Lebanon and Iran? We really don’t even have the resources to do that. This isn’t 1990 and the original Gulf War.
Actress Debra Winger says she has ‘debt to pay’ over Jewish upbringing while protesting Mahmoud Khalil bust
“I was brought up Jewish, I was brought up with a lot of things that were untrue,” said Winger, 69, to Al Jazeera outside President Trump’s Midtown East tower Thursday, when nearly 100 demonstrators were arrested in the protest in defense of the Columbia University activist.
She explained for example that she didn’t agree with an idea she was raised on — that Israel is the Jewish homeland.
“I have a debt to pay. I have a debt for what I grew up with and believed on what the state of Israel has done and what they haven’t done and how they’re conflating Judaism with Zionism,” she said of some pro-Israel advocates.
Collective guilt and collective punishment of the Jewish people is a very strong and consistent theme of the Hebrew bible, from Exodus forward. It's also a strong theme in objective Jewish history, in both the Islamic world and Christendom, all the way into the modern world, and I know you won't have to think very hard to come up with some recent examples.
So, what you're saying here is more or less "stop being Jewish". Which is a very Catholic thing to say, and I'm sure is both sincere and well-intentioned on your part. But surely you can see how it's not very helpful!
But doesn't that depend on how "being Jewish" is defined? It's a matter of considerable controversy among people who self identify as Jews. Some deny that others are Jews at all. Or something like that. Winger appears to be engaged in some form of that controversy--denying that Zionist Jews can define "being Jewish" for non-Zionist Jews. Another example, I recently heard Max Blumenthal say that he's no more religious than Bill Clinton, but my impression is that MB considers himself to "be Jewish." Again, definitions. A call to introspection seems called for--for those who aren't already engaged in it.
I think Trump is successfully teaching all the world's leadership that the US Government cannot be trusted and should be viewed as an explicit threat. And this is a good thing. These foreign governments should take great care in all interactions with the US and protect themselves first and foremost. The correct way to deal with Trump is to be polite and wear a bulletproof vest under your business suit. In this way, these countries must learn to stand on their two feet and fend for themselves rather than serve as a lackey to a succession of fickle US Administrations. Some might call this hard love. It's time for the 30 year old video gamers to move out of mommy's basement.
Lots of sad facts here. I agree with McGovern. It is the absence of morality underlying all of this that will in the end cause nothing but massive destruction and suffering.
What the former Israeli intelligence head had to say and its implications made me come to a realization. Apparently, from the Zionist point of view, the problem with the Holocaust was not that it was a mass displacement and murder of people based on their group identities. Nor was it that it evidenced a total absence of humanity, morality, and conscience on the part of the Nazis and rebellion against God. No that was not it, it was that it resulted in Jews being killed. I guess the method itself was OK and the lives of Gypsys and Slavs then and Palestinians and Syrians now are really of no consideration. How terrible and how sad.
Will Zionism's fate in Israel be the same as Nazism's in Germany?
"Nor was it that it evidenced a total absence of humanity, morality, and conscience on the part of the Nazis and rebellion against God."
Bold statement. What IS the "evidence" that supports it?
Allies, both USA and British, planned, rehearsed, and carried out deliberate targeting of civilians, including infants in their cribs, in the firebombing of Germany and Japan, as well as deliberately firebombing civilians in Italy (see John Huston's 'Battle of SanPietro', and Matthew Evangelista, 'Allied Air Attacks and Civilian Harm in Italy, 1940-1945') and in France. Do those actions also "evidence a total absence of humanity, morality, and conscience," or are they dismissed because "they were not successful"? (US Department of Interior documents who- and how- USA planned and perfected methods of firebombing German and Japanese cities:
re: "Will zionism's fate in Israel be the same as Nazism's in Germany."
Excellent question.
--Germany was "de-Nazified" with brutal harshness over a period exceeding 5 years, and costing the lives of more German civilians after the war than during the war. (See 'Capturing the German Eye,' by Cora Sol Goldstein) A Jewish "Ritchie Boy," Morris Perloff, drafted the questionnaire that every German was required to complete to disclose the extent of his "Nazi" complicity. Answers to the questionnaire determined ones eligibility for housing, employment, punishment.
Will a comparable process of "de-Zionization" take place?
-- In a letter to his children in ~August 1945, Rabbi Stephen Wise said he'd met with Judge Robert Jackson who had "expansive plans" for the Nuremberg trials that were to be "a broad departure from Anglo-Saxon legal tradition." Further, "Retroactively, "aggressive war-making becomes criminally punishable--with membership in Gestapo prima facie proof of criminal participation."
Will the same legal standards and punishments be applied to zionists? and Americans including American leaders?
I've never read any part of Talmud. But I have studied several lectures on Jewish Identity by Prof. Ken Ruderman (they focused on the difficulty of the widely dispersed Jewish community to come to a common identity, a matter Alastair Crooke discussed this morning with Judge Nap). Also listened to several podcasts by Rabbi Henry Abramson, where I learned about Heinrich Graetz, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqeRpiVQ-9Y the first 'modern' historian of Jews, whose works I subsequently studied. Graetz's multivolume history was very popular in the era of "Jewish Enlightenment" preceding & during the world wars-- it was the essential Bar Mitzvah gift. Graetz wrote what Ruderman called "the lugubrious" history of Jews, emphasizing persecution of Jews in history.
Rabbi Stephen Wise was reading Graetz and encouraging others to read that history, in the course of his central and extraordinary work promoting zionism in USA. I had thought that Wise became an amanuensis to Louis Brandeis, but the opposite is the case: Brandeis, who became THE essential advocate for- and internationally recognized leader of zionist activism, scarcely participated at all in Jewish learning or practice. Only in his fifth decade did Brandeis become interested in zionism, through the influence and mentorship of Stephen Wise (and a few others).
The Graetz history has, of course, been superseded, but it offers an important insight into the zeitgeist of influential Jews who gave zionism its initial dynamism and financial and political support.
nb. Listening to the Crooke discussion this morning, I wondered if Smotrich's rabid commitment to 'certain aspects' of Torah might end with a broad rejection of major elements of Jewish belief/commitment/identity.
You should understand some things about the Babylonian Talmud. First, it's huge. It's like a miniature law library, and contains (by design) all kinds of bizarre opinions and stories, because it's a record of debates, with layers of commentary. Every section of it has been reinterpreted over and over again in multiple ways for dozens of generations at this point. Cherry-picking from it without study or even basic literacy is intellectually dishonest. Don't stoop to that.
" A key concern also is this tendency to make big threats and talk a big game. At times it works ... but what happens in a situation like this when [the other country is] not going to [fold]?" That is what we are going to find out. Russia, China and probably, Iran, are not going to fold.
Speaking of Alex Krainer; he figured out that Mahmoud Khalil is a paid British agent. He gave the details in this podcast, https://odysee.com/@cryptorich:e/20250315talex:3
What's the short story? Was he infiltrating protest groups?
Just listening. He was employed at the Brit embassy in Beirut. I'd call that pretty conclusive.
Luongo takes from it that Trump is happy for people to tell at him as an Israeli shill if he can quietly expel Brit agents.
Luongo is making stuff up. And he doesn't know the law, either. This EO, like probably all of the EOs, was in the works for at least months--many of the EOs were probably prepared over a year ago. It's nonsensical to suggest that Trump wrote that anti-semitism EO with the intent of deporting Brit agents. Nonsense. What happened is the Zionist groups caught a Brit agent without knowing it.
You could well be right, but it would be awesome if Luongo were.
This is the slippery slope We are going down as regards to free speech. So we’re going to label everyone who objects to the genocide going on in Gaza as being a supporter of terrorism via Hamas.
We will not make any distinction between being labeled a terrorist and being labeled someone who is concerned about genocide going on. I really don’t think I have read anything dating that most of these people protesting Israel and the war in Gaza have anything to do with supporting Hamas, Hetzbollah, and Iran. At some point there’s gonna be lawsuits filed if not already and it’s gonna get to the Supreme Court and they’re gonna have to make the call on this.
As for targeting Yemen and the Houthis using AirPower drones, etc., they’re going to find that that’s not going to work obviously they didn’t learn anything from the six year war between Saudi Arabia and Yemen.
One thing that was learn post World War II was that strategic bombing did not, and could not ever win the war. Even after all of the years of raids over Europe, daylight and nighttime Germany still did not yield. You have to put in boots on the ground an army to finish the job. Is Trump prepared to invade Yemen to do that? is he prepared to put boots on the ground in the middle east to subdue Lebanon and Iran? We really don’t even have the resources to do that. This isn’t 1990 and the original Gulf War.
https://nypost.com/2025/03/16/us-news/actress-debra-winger-says-she-has-debt-to-pay-over-jewish-upbringing-while-protesting-mahmoud-khalil-bust/
Actress Debra Winger says she has ‘debt to pay’ over Jewish upbringing while protesting Mahmoud Khalil bust
“I was brought up Jewish, I was brought up with a lot of things that were untrue,” said Winger, 69, to Al Jazeera outside President Trump’s Midtown East tower Thursday, when nearly 100 demonstrators were arrested in the protest in defense of the Columbia University activist.
She explained for example that she didn’t agree with an idea she was raised on — that Israel is the Jewish homeland.
“I have a debt to pay. I have a debt for what I grew up with and believed on what the state of Israel has done and what they haven’t done and how they’re conflating Judaism with Zionism,” she said of some pro-Israel advocates.
Debt to pay... Consider the ramifications of assigning collective guilt and collective innocence, and consider an alternative metaphysics?
I'll consider it out loud, if you don't mind:
Collective guilt and collective punishment of the Jewish people is a very strong and consistent theme of the Hebrew bible, from Exodus forward. It's also a strong theme in objective Jewish history, in both the Islamic world and Christendom, all the way into the modern world, and I know you won't have to think very hard to come up with some recent examples.
So, what you're saying here is more or less "stop being Jewish". Which is a very Catholic thing to say, and I'm sure is both sincere and well-intentioned on your part. But surely you can see how it's not very helpful!
Jesus was Jewish and He was the first guy to ask them to reconsider their metaphysics. I am seconding the ask. ;)
But doesn't that depend on how "being Jewish" is defined? It's a matter of considerable controversy among people who self identify as Jews. Some deny that others are Jews at all. Or something like that. Winger appears to be engaged in some form of that controversy--denying that Zionist Jews can define "being Jewish" for non-Zionist Jews. Another example, I recently heard Max Blumenthal say that he's no more religious than Bill Clinton, but my impression is that MB considers himself to "be Jewish." Again, definitions. A call to introspection seems called for--for those who aren't already engaged in it.
Can't quibble with that!
Off-topic, but I think folks here may be interested in this story:
https://anthonycolpo.substack.com/p/yet-another-predator-from-team-orange
I think Trump is successfully teaching all the world's leadership that the US Government cannot be trusted and should be viewed as an explicit threat. And this is a good thing. These foreign governments should take great care in all interactions with the US and protect themselves first and foremost. The correct way to deal with Trump is to be polite and wear a bulletproof vest under your business suit. In this way, these countries must learn to stand on their two feet and fend for themselves rather than serve as a lackey to a succession of fickle US Administrations. Some might call this hard love. It's time for the 30 year old video gamers to move out of mommy's basement.
I thought maybe Trump is wise enough not to get suckered into the ME quagmire, but alas he is not.
He's actively involved by enabling this with his rhetoric and funding.
And cheered along by “MAGA”, the Trump can do no wrong cult.
It’s mainly the Christian-Zionist FKA Evangelicals.
DBA.
Lots of sad facts here. I agree with McGovern. It is the absence of morality underlying all of this that will in the end cause nothing but massive destruction and suffering.
What the former Israeli intelligence head had to say and its implications made me come to a realization. Apparently, from the Zionist point of view, the problem with the Holocaust was not that it was a mass displacement and murder of people based on their group identities. Nor was it that it evidenced a total absence of humanity, morality, and conscience on the part of the Nazis and rebellion against God. No that was not it, it was that it resulted in Jews being killed. I guess the method itself was OK and the lives of Gypsys and Slavs then and Palestinians and Syrians now are really of no consideration. How terrible and how sad.
Will Zionism's fate in Israel be the same as Nazism's in Germany?
"Nor was it that it evidenced a total absence of humanity, morality, and conscience on the part of the Nazis and rebellion against God."
Bold statement. What IS the "evidence" that supports it?
Allies, both USA and British, planned, rehearsed, and carried out deliberate targeting of civilians, including infants in their cribs, in the firebombing of Germany and Japan, as well as deliberately firebombing civilians in Italy (see John Huston's 'Battle of SanPietro', and Matthew Evangelista, 'Allied Air Attacks and Civilian Harm in Italy, 1940-1945') and in France. Do those actions also "evidence a total absence of humanity, morality, and conscience," or are they dismissed because "they were not successful"? (US Department of Interior documents who- and how- USA planned and perfected methods of firebombing German and Japanese cities:
http://lcweb2.loc.gov/master/pnp/habshaer/ut/ut0500/ut0568/data/ut0568data.pdf )
re: "Will zionism's fate in Israel be the same as Nazism's in Germany."
Excellent question.
--Germany was "de-Nazified" with brutal harshness over a period exceeding 5 years, and costing the lives of more German civilians after the war than during the war. (See 'Capturing the German Eye,' by Cora Sol Goldstein) A Jewish "Ritchie Boy," Morris Perloff, drafted the questionnaire that every German was required to complete to disclose the extent of his "Nazi" complicity. Answers to the questionnaire determined ones eligibility for housing, employment, punishment.
Will a comparable process of "de-Zionization" take place?
-- In a letter to his children in ~August 1945, Rabbi Stephen Wise said he'd met with Judge Robert Jackson who had "expansive plans" for the Nuremberg trials that were to be "a broad departure from Anglo-Saxon legal tradition." Further, "Retroactively, "aggressive war-making becomes criminally punishable--with membership in Gestapo prima facie proof of criminal participation."
Will the same legal standards and punishments be applied to zionists? and Americans including American leaders?
What does the Talmud say? There are your answers.
I've never read any part of Talmud. But I have studied several lectures on Jewish Identity by Prof. Ken Ruderman (they focused on the difficulty of the widely dispersed Jewish community to come to a common identity, a matter Alastair Crooke discussed this morning with Judge Nap). Also listened to several podcasts by Rabbi Henry Abramson, where I learned about Heinrich Graetz, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqeRpiVQ-9Y the first 'modern' historian of Jews, whose works I subsequently studied. Graetz's multivolume history was very popular in the era of "Jewish Enlightenment" preceding & during the world wars-- it was the essential Bar Mitzvah gift. Graetz wrote what Ruderman called "the lugubrious" history of Jews, emphasizing persecution of Jews in history.
Rabbi Stephen Wise was reading Graetz and encouraging others to read that history, in the course of his central and extraordinary work promoting zionism in USA. I had thought that Wise became an amanuensis to Louis Brandeis, but the opposite is the case: Brandeis, who became THE essential advocate for- and internationally recognized leader of zionist activism, scarcely participated at all in Jewish learning or practice. Only in his fifth decade did Brandeis become interested in zionism, through the influence and mentorship of Stephen Wise (and a few others).
The Graetz history has, of course, been superseded, but it offers an important insight into the zeitgeist of influential Jews who gave zionism its initial dynamism and financial and political support.
nb. Listening to the Crooke discussion this morning, I wondered if Smotrich's rabid commitment to 'certain aspects' of Torah might end with a broad rejection of major elements of Jewish belief/commitment/identity.
You should understand some things about the Babylonian Talmud. First, it's huge. It's like a miniature law library, and contains (by design) all kinds of bizarre opinions and stories, because it's a record of debates, with layers of commentary. Every section of it has been reinterpreted over and over again in multiple ways for dozens of generations at this point. Cherry-picking from it without study or even basic literacy is intellectually dishonest. Don't stoop to that.
" A key concern also is this tendency to make big threats and talk a big game. At times it works ... but what happens in a situation like this when [the other country is] not going to [fold]?" That is what we are going to find out. Russia, China and probably, Iran, are not going to fold.
And probably not the Yemenis either.
Lots of substance here Mark. Thank you.
Please see my latest: Europe in Chains https://montanarcc.substack.com/p/europe-in-chains
The phrase: Reign of Terror. It's getting there, isn't it? Already there in the Middle East. Europe and US getting closer.
Trump's albatross. Suckered in, just like the US in WWI and WWII and Bush II via 9/11.
But who is behind it all? Who is the chief sponsor of chaos over the past two centuries?
Britain of course. Nothing has changed.
Was he suckered or did he go willingly? What's the betting line?