The Truman would be surrounded by Aegis escorts USS Gettysburg, USS Stout, USS Jason Dunham 10–50 km away, forming a defensive perimeter.
F/A-18s: Super Hornets were almost certainly airborne, conducting CAPs or strikes (the lost F/A-18E was from VFA-136, possibly on deck during the maneuver). They likely engaged drones or missiles 50–200 km out, reducing the salvo’s size before Aegis ships fired.
E-2D Hawkeye: At least one E-2D was likely airborne, detecting Houthi launches and coordinating intercepts.
EA-18G Growler:
Role: Electronic warfare (EW) aircraft, equipped with ALQ-99/ALQ-249 jamming pods and AGM-88 HARM missiles
The carrier’s position is dynamic, moving at 15–30 knots (28–56 km/h), complicating Houthi targeting
Truman Position: 300–500 km offshore, in the central or northern Red Sea.
---- and probably much more complicates the Houthi abilities
Based on past and collective experience in the region, they would have been taking nothing for granted. So that has to have been a very scary experience. We'll see if there are changes in operations.
The Houthi's Are Making History --- Until Today >>>> No verified instances exist of U.S. carriers taking evasive action in combat since WWII <<<<<
US must be absolutely dreading their decision to go back to Yemen after Biden left.
That the Truman had to make such a maneuver and lost a plane over the side in doing so, shows the seriousness and last minute urgency of this matter.
The Houthi campaign is unique -
The only verified post-WWII real-world instances - where the Aegis Combat System successfully defended U.S. aircraft carriers during attacks are the Houthi attacks
and you may recall - not all were successes --- eg: Houthi firing on the USS Gettysburg (CG-64), part of the HSTCSG, occurred on December 22, 2024, when it mistakenly shot down an F/A-18F Super Hornet from the USS Harry S. Truman and fired on another, missing due to the pilot’s evasive maneuvers.
[ The USS Harry S. Truman itself does not carry the Aegis Combat System, but its escort ships (e.g., USS Gettysburg, USS Stout, USS Jason Dunham) are equipped with Aegis ]
Carrier Airwing 1 and USS Truman are a bad combination...
Wikipedia: "In the wake of the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine, CVW-1 aircraft participated in NATO's enhanced air policing efforts over Eastern Europe.[19]
On 8 July 2022, one of the wing's F/A-18E Super Hornets was lost when it was blown overboard the Harry S. Truman into the Mediterranean Sea. The carrier had encountered unexpected heavy weather while conducting a replenishment-at-sea. One sailor received minor injuries.[20] On 8 August 2022, the United States Sixth Fleet announced the aircraft had been recovered from a depth of 9,500 feet (2,900 m) using a remotely operated CURV-21 recovery vehicle."
You will very likely know more about this than me, Ray, but I have been hearing for YEARS about the Chinese missiles capability to sink aircraft carriers. Just posted:
I’m not an expert in military stuff, just well read, but I believe China has the ability to overwhelm U.S. carriers with missiles. And hypersonic missiles just adds to this ability.
And if the Houthi’s are showing this ability, as Steghorn pointed out, the carrier is obsolete.
There is the argument that Houthis are using Iranian missiles and may be even personnel, plus Chinese reconnaissance, but so what. Bottom line is a third world country is a real threat to a U.S. carrier battle group. Wow.
I was kinda thinking Maginot Line on water! As you point out, warfare has evolved continuously and so have its weapons, but the West continues to “whistle Dixie” and is fully convinced that they have the upper hand and don’t need to be overly concerned with no stinking hypersonic missiles or a bunch of Neanderthals like the Houthis. The arc of history may beg to differ, and with a vengeance.
posted earlier but thought interesting re ' the math '
Truman Hard Rudder Right
" evasive maneuvers "
A Nimitz-class carrier can apply full rudder (typically 35 degrees) at speed to initiate an evasive turn - overall it is believed the carriers top speed up to 31.5 knots ( approx 36 mph )
. Hard Rudder right at 15 knots ( 1/2 speed ) may heel or tilt the deck up to 4 degrees - The flight deck is 257 feet wide, so a 4-degree tilt would raise one side and lower the other by approx 17 1/2 feet.
. So perhaps a bit of a shake for a plane in tow - not bolted/chained down.
" a shelter for African migrants was targeted, resulting in the killing of 60 African migrants and injuring more than 65 others."
During the past hours, the American enemy committed two massacres — the first in Sana’a and the second by targeting a shelter housing migrants from several African countries in Saada Governorate, northern Yemen. These massacres resulted in dozens of martyrs and wounded.
In response to its aggression and crimes against civilians, the Yemeni Armed Forces targeted the American aircraft carrier "Truman" and its accompanying warships.
Our naval forces, along with the drone air force and missile forces, carried out a joint operation using a number of cruise and ballistic missiles as well as drones over the past hours.
I have read that the US has repeatedly bombed civilian targets in Sana`a. The US bombed a water reservoir and distribution mechanism in Yemen that supplied over 50,000 people. A US drone bombed a gathering of tribal members in Yemen, to which Trump commented on Truth Social: "oops!"
Of course the Yemeni Armed Forces had to respond, and defend its people, because of the latest attacks from the US!
The 3 ships in the Truman's strike group should be equipped with the Aegis defense system...were they unable to destroy the large missile headed for the Truman?
Good points about experience and assumptions, Joe. I don't know the speed of various missiles, but the alert to the carrier obviously gave it no other choice than to make the dramatic hard turn. Not surprised that the plane and the tractor were thrown into the sea with the tipping the carrier did.
MenchOsint @MenchOsint
This is an answer to all pro-US "experts" who claimed the Yemeni Missiles & Drones were not accurate or not reaching US Navy ships
If an aircraft carrier makes a hard turn, it really means the situation is dangerous, and **missiles & drones overcame multiple defense layers.**
More thoughts on Yemen Truman
The Truman would be surrounded by Aegis escorts USS Gettysburg, USS Stout, USS Jason Dunham 10–50 km away, forming a defensive perimeter.
F/A-18s: Super Hornets were almost certainly airborne, conducting CAPs or strikes (the lost F/A-18E was from VFA-136, possibly on deck during the maneuver). They likely engaged drones or missiles 50–200 km out, reducing the salvo’s size before Aegis ships fired.
E-2D Hawkeye: At least one E-2D was likely airborne, detecting Houthi launches and coordinating intercepts.
EA-18G Growler:
Role: Electronic warfare (EW) aircraft, equipped with ALQ-99/ALQ-249 jamming pods and AGM-88 HARM missiles
The carrier’s position is dynamic, moving at 15–30 knots (28–56 km/h), complicating Houthi targeting
Truman Position: 300–500 km offshore, in the central or northern Red Sea.
---- and probably much more complicates the Houthi abilities
Based on past and collective experience in the region, they would have been taking nothing for granted. So that has to have been a very scary experience. We'll see if there are changes in operations.
The Houthi's Are Making History --- Until Today >>>> No verified instances exist of U.S. carriers taking evasive action in combat since WWII <<<<<
US must be absolutely dreading their decision to go back to Yemen after Biden left.
That the Truman had to make such a maneuver and lost a plane over the side in doing so, shows the seriousness and last minute urgency of this matter.
The Houthi campaign is unique -
The only verified post-WWII real-world instances - where the Aegis Combat System successfully defended U.S. aircraft carriers during attacks are the Houthi attacks
and you may recall - not all were successes --- eg: Houthi firing on the USS Gettysburg (CG-64), part of the HSTCSG, occurred on December 22, 2024, when it mistakenly shot down an F/A-18F Super Hornet from the USS Harry S. Truman and fired on another, missing due to the pilot’s evasive maneuvers.
[ The USS Harry S. Truman itself does not carry the Aegis Combat System, but its escort ships (e.g., USS Gettysburg, USS Stout, USS Jason Dunham) are equipped with Aegis ]
Israelis have such super duper pilots & weapons, enough to take out weakened Iran. Why aren't they managing the Houthis?
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Tremendous message delivered to the US today
I have to imagine this is sending shockwaves and causing Re-Think Of Iran
at least hope so = on the re-think of Iran
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The more I read about it the more I realize
This is pretty damn big.
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Wow. Public viewing of carrier sea trial maneuvers. Appears successful less $72M. https://news.usni.org/category/fleet-tracker
Good thing the USS Vinson, B-2's at Diego Garcia, and MQ-9 Reaper Drones (wait... minus the Reaper) is available for surveillance and support.
Has word come down from Hegseth's signal room yet on successful bombing? How about Judge Boasberg putting a TRO on all this?
Carrier Airwing 1 and USS Truman are a bad combination...
Wikipedia: "In the wake of the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine, CVW-1 aircraft participated in NATO's enhanced air policing efforts over Eastern Europe.[19]
On 8 July 2022, one of the wing's F/A-18E Super Hornets was lost when it was blown overboard the Harry S. Truman into the Mediterranean Sea. The carrier had encountered unexpected heavy weather while conducting a replenishment-at-sea. One sailor received minor injuries.[20] On 8 August 2022, the United States Sixth Fleet announced the aircraft had been recovered from a depth of 9,500 feet (2,900 m) using a remotely operated CURV-21 recovery vehicle."
Recovering it from the deep sea is quite impressive though.
US pilot coming out to the flight deck... "where's my freakin plane? Why my plane? Guess I get to sit this one out now."
Are aircraft carriers now just missile magnets?
You will very likely know more about this than me, Ray, but I have been hearing for YEARS about the Chinese missiles capability to sink aircraft carriers. Just posted:
https://taskandpurpose.com/news/navy-china-hypersonic-missiles/
thanks for the kind words.
I’m not an expert in military stuff, just well read, but I believe China has the ability to overwhelm U.S. carriers with missiles. And hypersonic missiles just adds to this ability.
And if the Houthi’s are showing this ability, as Steghorn pointed out, the carrier is obsolete.
There is the argument that Houthis are using Iranian missiles and may be even personnel, plus Chinese reconnaissance, but so what. Bottom line is a third world country is a real threat to a U.S. carrier battle group. Wow.
The world has changed and the West has hardly noticed. They're going to learn the hard way that aircraft carriers are the cavalry of 2025.
I was kinda thinking Maginot Line on water! As you point out, warfare has evolved continuously and so have its weapons, but the West continues to “whistle Dixie” and is fully convinced that they have the upper hand and don’t need to be overly concerned with no stinking hypersonic missiles or a bunch of Neanderthals like the Houthis. The arc of history may beg to differ, and with a vengeance.
Battleships may be a fairer comparison.
Yep.
posted earlier but thought interesting re ' the math '
Truman Hard Rudder Right
" evasive maneuvers "
A Nimitz-class carrier can apply full rudder (typically 35 degrees) at speed to initiate an evasive turn - overall it is believed the carriers top speed up to 31.5 knots ( approx 36 mph )
. Hard Rudder right at 15 knots ( 1/2 speed ) may heel or tilt the deck up to 4 degrees - The flight deck is 257 feet wide, so a 4-degree tilt would raise one side and lower the other by approx 17 1/2 feet.
. So perhaps a bit of a shake for a plane in tow - not bolted/chained down.
Houthi Yemen Reports:
" a shelter for African migrants was targeted, resulting in the killing of 60 African migrants and injuring more than 65 others."
During the past hours, the American enemy committed two massacres — the first in Sana’a and the second by targeting a shelter housing migrants from several African countries in Saada Governorate, northern Yemen. These massacres resulted in dozens of martyrs and wounded.
In response to its aggression and crimes against civilians, the Yemeni Armed Forces targeted the American aircraft carrier "Truman" and its accompanying warships.
Our naval forces, along with the drone air force and missile forces, carried out a joint operation using a number of cruise and ballistic missiles as well as drones over the past hours.
Thank you for the information, Joe.
I have read that the US has repeatedly bombed civilian targets in Sana`a. The US bombed a water reservoir and distribution mechanism in Yemen that supplied over 50,000 people. A US drone bombed a gathering of tribal members in Yemen, to which Trump commented on Truth Social: "oops!"
Of course the Yemeni Armed Forces had to respond, and defend its people, because of the latest attacks from the US!
The 3 ships in the Truman's strike group should be equipped with the Aegis defense system...were they unable to destroy the large missile headed for the Truman?
Here is a 2 min. video about the Aegis:
https://youtu.be/hb4yP8dKJ78?si=d5lPRQmeN6mdaOmY
thanks for the video it appears possible escort ships USS Gettysburg, USS Stout, USS Jason Dunham were Overwhelmed - or - Undertrained -
if undertrained not surprisingly due to the fact that this is a first real world instance of an attack on a US carrier since WWII - posted above - so
a) limited to no experience
b) probably as my best guess - underestimated Houthi capability and presumed no one would attack a carrier for no one has for such a long time
Good points about experience and assumptions, Joe. I don't know the speed of various missiles, but the alert to the carrier obviously gave it no other choice than to make the dramatic hard turn. Not surprised that the plane and the tractor were thrown into the sea with the tipping the carrier did.
Wow!