What’s going on? What’s the Big Picture? This looks like another Deep State coup in the making, probably spearheaded by the Intel agencies and the Pentagon. Our position has been that that’s what’s behind the drip, drip, drip, of revelations about Zhou. The classified documents and so forth. The motive behind this coup is that the US is losing its war with Russia—Big Time. There will be consequences. There have been a variety of attempts to get the US out of this war—Gen. Milley suggesting negotiations, things of that sort. None of those attempts have gained traction with the public, which is instead focused on Drag Shows. Thus far the Neocons have managed to keep the MSM on their side and to bury most of these damaging revelations. Thus, the attempts to force Zhou have not worked so far. This current leak ploy looks like the Deep State going nuclear, almost literally, out of sheer desperation.
Something like this is what I, and I'm sure many others, had in mind--from LJ's comments:
dodgy says
15 April 2023 at 12:01
It would be trivial for some 3 letter agency to post documents on any random Discord account without the mark even knowing. CIA hacker tool leak shows this was possible years ago.
I'm a long time follower. The former CIA guy who says that is an internal document never to be seen outside the CIA doesn't know everything. That "fact" is wrong. So remove it from the story and see what you have left. Not much. It is clouding the real issue, which is what the information said. Not how you were able to get a glimpse of it.
Tony Shaffer, who worked at a very high level in DoD intel, also says that some of these docs would not be available on any servers an E3 at Ft. Bragg could access. Are you saying that the actual physical doc could be disseminated outside the CIA or that a summary/rewriting of it could be.
I agree with those who say the real story is the substance of what's been going on as well as the high level lying.
Do you know what things they discussed with Johnson? He does describe what was discussed.
I don't say your scenario could not have taken place. The difficulty is that, while Johnson focuses on a single doc, in fact we are being told that there are multiple docs covering widely separated topics. At some point we are being told that there was a cache of possibly hundreds of docs, some very highly classified. You need to explain how such docs, presumably from multiple compartments, were available to the E3 through his search engine.
Predicate is the key word. Reminds me of Bluto Barr…. Failures. Anyway, seems to me another shot to try to degrade Zhou and get him out of office. Dependent on the American people? I don’t see it.
Mr. Wauck, I was shocked to see you bring Trump into this at all, much less that Deep State is the slightest bit worried either that he'd be pres. again or that he'd use his "hammer" vs them. You say priority #3 is to, "Keep Trump out—I take it that that’s the meaning behind the “hot button” narratives being pushed. Trump is an even bigger danger now to the Deep State than he was before. He has a motive for revenge and he will have a hammer."...How could Trump be "an even bigger danger now" to DS when he's never been the slightest danger to them in the first place? You suggest that he harbors feelings of "revenge" toward masses of gov. employees, and that with "his hammer" as Pres. again, they'd lose their jobs. Per Trump himself in Aug. 2022, it's impossible to fire the Deep State, it takes 15 years to fire one bureaucrat, and this can only change if congress passes new law. 8/6/2022, “Donald Trump: Next President Must ‘Remove Rogue Bureaucrats and Root out the Deep State’,“ Breitbart, Jordan Dixon-Hamilton...And from Codevilla, 9/23/2020, they have zero fear of him: "Let there be no doubt: the ruling class’s focus on Donald Trump has been incidental. America’s potentates do not fear one pudgy orange-haired septuagenarian. They fear the millions of Americans whom they loathe, who voted for Trump, who gave his party control of House and Senate, and who will surely vote for folks these potentates really should fear."...https://americanmind.org/salvo/revolution-2020/, subhead, "The logic of hate."...In any case, Trump will never be pres. again because he'll never win Michigan, Penn, and Wisconsin again. His 2022 choice for US Senator from Penn. was so bad, voters instead elected Fetterman who immediately checked into hospital. As to Michigan, the Michigan GOP in Feb. 2023 rejected Trump's choice, DePerno, for their new president, choosing instead grassroots candidate Kristina Karamo. In Jan. 2023 Trump had endorsed DePerno. In Feb. 2023 a Trump lawyer even worked w. DePerno on convention floor, and he still lost. In Nov. 2022, Democrats took total control of Michigan legislature for first time in 40 years.
So the scratch and dent faux President that these idiots helped install turns out to be a disaster of the 10th magnitude, coupled with a monumentally stupid proxy war and now they’re scrambling with some halfassed damage control at the last minute.? The idea that this mess is going get sorted out without some serious damage and harm is just wishful thinking, it won’t be easy, it won’t be painless and it won’t get brushed over without anyone noticing.
They have tampered with forces that are way above their pay grade and said forces relentless nature are about to go on full display! Let’s see’m spin this one.
NATO is hollowed out, EU turns away from US toward CCP (price of energy supply through Russia), petro-dollar goes bye-bye, Turkey turns to the east, middle-east turns to the east
Because he is useful to the narrative that somehow, somewhere, someone has noticed the bad guys doing bad stuff and will put a stop to it soon. It keeps us on the couch and off the streets. :(
I don’t see the deepstate forcing Biden to resign. He’s a puppet, and there’s a danger of Kamala that is too incompetent/ unpredictable. It’s more useful to go after his top advisers / neocons, and clip their wings.
Ray, do you think airman was innocent bystander or entrapped? To me it needs to be understood “how” he got the documents. As in some stuff was out of his domain.
That isn't a true statement. Nothing is out of the domain. There is no such thing as a routine CIA or FBI document that doesn't get out to NSA/DoD. I bet Hillary even had those on her personal server. At least that more believable to me.
I would imagine the CIA/FBI documents are normally quite secure and contained within each institution’s walls, but, Massachusetts and Maryland are both on the east coast, not far from each other and with nothing more than a hacked garage door opener, these very documents could have been purloined from right next to a classic Corvette. Who’s to say they weren’t?
My guess is he stumbled across the documents that were deliberately placed to be found. Perhaps someone noticed some unauthorized searches by the airman, and took advantage of that. That is why I labeled him a useful idiot. I guess this is entrapment also.
But with the incredible amount of government informants, as shown in the Whitmer “kidnapping” and Jan 6 Proud Boys I would not be surprised if he was spoon fed the documents and entrapped due to his demographics by somebody. A more traditional form of entrapment.
From what I have read, there should be no possibility he had access to these documents. And it’s only selective portions of the documents. It smells like a political hit job.
That is a huge question, how did he have access to those documents?
I’m assuming mi6 had him under electronic surveillance, since us Intel agencies can’t do domestic surveillance as part of the 5 eyes cutout. An mi6 cutout identified him.
Ray, on your no 3 directly above, it looks like the Poles just got the green light from Germany to send 5MiGs to Ukraine…you just know those Poles were up to something…as reported via CitFreePress:
I have written it more than once- there will come a point where it can't be hidden that Ukraine is going to lose, and that will be the most dangerous point for the entire world- will we be dumb enough to escalate to full scale conflict with the Russians.
There are a lot of barbarians who were at the gates and now comfortably inside the U.S. with full backing of our elite who have granted them money to live and prosper off the backs of the tax payers they, the elites, want to eliminate (Shhh, don't talk about "The Replacement" theory or be censored and crushed beneath the wheel of progressive "Our Democracy"). These barbarians will be encouraged to fight for their paymasters once the patriots are out of the way, you see they must crush White Supremacy/Nationalists. Our leaders are too far down the path of creating Utopia for the greater good.
I am going to assert a contrary narrative- this is a last, desperate push to get NATO directly involved using air power. The leaks of the precarious state of Ukrainian forces is to build the political support for direct involvement- i.e., "Ukraine can't win without air support, so lets give it to them so that they can" argument is already being put out in not so many words- see the various talking heads saying we need to give Ukraine whatever it takes to win.
The "leaks" are news only to the gullible Western public, who have been spoon-fed lies since day one. As for attempts to get NATO directly involved, see Macron's recent statements about getting out from under the "leadership" of the U.S., as well as Germany's comments agreeing with Macron. IOW, they have known all along that the West cannot prevail militarily, and they counted on economic warfare to beat Russia. That has failed, and now the smart ones are running for cover. NATO air support would last a few short days/weeks before the Russian AD weaponry takes them out. It's time for the West to find the exits.
Yes and yes. I mean, everyone in the world knows we did the pipeline. But re the E-3 and his supervisors, how did those CIA internal docs and possible FBI internal doc get onto his computer? This is why I wonder about a plant.
They don't get on to his computer. He downloaded them from the network after searching for them in a search engine that scans the network for files to add. Just like the internet. What happened is some general left them where he thought was secure share, when it wasn't secure and the search engine picked them up. Kid had access to the search engine. Kid searched for stuff to impress his buddies.
The belief about cia/fbi documents is what is leading you astray.
"What happened is some general left them where he thought was secure share, when it wasn't secure and the search engine picked them up."
And you know this, how? I don't say that couldn't happen, but that sounds like the kind of thing that there would be safeguards against this sort of thing happening--to prevent documents within certain categories from being moved from a secure location to a less secure one.
None of this sounds like the processes described by Shaffer or Johnson/colleagues for docs at the high classifications they describe.
In any well-structured information repository there will be system-wide rules that prevent saving of files in inappropriate locations. Every upload, download, change of document etc is logged and version-controlled. This is easily implemented using fairly basic systems like Sharepoint, let alone on hardened servers. The search tool/s would be hardened too, preventing files of certain classifications from being visible to the search. Every time a document is printed a record is kept. Saving to local disk drives, USB sticks, or to the cloud are prohibited, or should be, sending docs as email attachments too. Photos of the documents were taken by one or more folks at the required security level. EXIF data removed... and after that these can go anywhere, quite literally. And that's what happened.
If it gets as close as it's seemed to be going for a few months, the introduction of tacnukes will be by the US. Ready or not.
Something like this is what I, and I'm sure many others, had in mind--from LJ's comments:
dodgy says
15 April 2023 at 12:01
It would be trivial for some 3 letter agency to post documents on any random Discord account without the mark even knowing. CIA hacker tool leak shows this was possible years ago.
Not saying he didn't post some himself, but maybe mixed in ...
I'm a long time follower. The former CIA guy who says that is an internal document never to be seen outside the CIA doesn't know everything. That "fact" is wrong. So remove it from the story and see what you have left. Not much. It is clouding the real issue, which is what the information said. Not how you were able to get a glimpse of it.
Tony Shaffer, who worked at a very high level in DoD intel, also says that some of these docs would not be available on any servers an E3 at Ft. Bragg could access. Are you saying that the actual physical doc could be disseminated outside the CIA or that a summary/rewriting of it could be.
I agree with those who say the real story is the substance of what's been going on as well as the high level lying.
Johnson also cites what I assume are current contract employees in that field to support his assertions.
current contract employees in the field aren’t at liberty to discuss such things
"such things"
Do you know what things they discussed with Johnson? He does describe what was discussed.
I don't say your scenario could not have taken place. The difficulty is that, while Johnson focuses on a single doc, in fact we are being told that there are multiple docs covering widely separated topics. At some point we are being told that there was a cache of possibly hundreds of docs, some very highly classified. You need to explain how such docs, presumably from multiple compartments, were available to the E3 through his search engine.
https://sonar21.com/the-21-year-old-leaker-something-is-not-right/
Hanging would be a sentence too kind for Biden, Nuland, Blinken and Sullivan.
Predicate is the key word. Reminds me of Bluto Barr…. Failures. Anyway, seems to me another shot to try to degrade Zhou and get him out of office. Dependent on the American people? I don’t see it.
Mr. Wauck, I was shocked to see you bring Trump into this at all, much less that Deep State is the slightest bit worried either that he'd be pres. again or that he'd use his "hammer" vs them. You say priority #3 is to, "Keep Trump out—I take it that that’s the meaning behind the “hot button” narratives being pushed. Trump is an even bigger danger now to the Deep State than he was before. He has a motive for revenge and he will have a hammer."...How could Trump be "an even bigger danger now" to DS when he's never been the slightest danger to them in the first place? You suggest that he harbors feelings of "revenge" toward masses of gov. employees, and that with "his hammer" as Pres. again, they'd lose their jobs. Per Trump himself in Aug. 2022, it's impossible to fire the Deep State, it takes 15 years to fire one bureaucrat, and this can only change if congress passes new law. 8/6/2022, “Donald Trump: Next President Must ‘Remove Rogue Bureaucrats and Root out the Deep State’,“ Breitbart, Jordan Dixon-Hamilton...And from Codevilla, 9/23/2020, they have zero fear of him: "Let there be no doubt: the ruling class’s focus on Donald Trump has been incidental. America’s potentates do not fear one pudgy orange-haired septuagenarian. They fear the millions of Americans whom they loathe, who voted for Trump, who gave his party control of House and Senate, and who will surely vote for folks these potentates really should fear."...https://americanmind.org/salvo/revolution-2020/, subhead, "The logic of hate."...In any case, Trump will never be pres. again because he'll never win Michigan, Penn, and Wisconsin again. His 2022 choice for US Senator from Penn. was so bad, voters instead elected Fetterman who immediately checked into hospital. As to Michigan, the Michigan GOP in Feb. 2023 rejected Trump's choice, DePerno, for their new president, choosing instead grassroots candidate Kristina Karamo. In Jan. 2023 Trump had endorsed DePerno. In Feb. 2023 a Trump lawyer even worked w. DePerno on convention floor, and he still lost. In Nov. 2022, Democrats took total control of Michigan legislature for first time in 40 years.
Laura Ingram, VDHanson & Ned Ryan/American Majority CEO on 4/13 show
https://twitter.com/IngrahamAngle/status/1646913662915837955?s=19
Some very good content:
Col Doug Macgregor: The Exact Opposite Was True all Along in the Ukraine War
https://youtu.be/UigcLPbnewQ
Seems like the exact opposite is true in everything that is the current thing.
So the scratch and dent faux President that these idiots helped install turns out to be a disaster of the 10th magnitude, coupled with a monumentally stupid proxy war and now they’re scrambling with some halfassed damage control at the last minute.? The idea that this mess is going get sorted out without some serious damage and harm is just wishful thinking, it won’t be easy, it won’t be painless and it won’t get brushed over without anyone noticing.
They have tampered with forces that are way above their pay grade and said forces relentless nature are about to go on full display! Let’s see’m spin this one.
Isn’t it interesting this all goes down while he’s slinging some Guinness?
NATO is hollowed out, EU turns away from US toward CCP (price of energy supply through Russia), petro-dollar goes bye-bye, Turkey turns to the east, middle-east turns to the east
…and the middle class heads south.
Why is Tucker Carlson allowed to remain on the air?
Because he is useful to the narrative that somehow, somewhere, someone has noticed the bad guys doing bad stuff and will put a stop to it soon. It keeps us on the couch and off the streets. :(
Ratings. Money still talks at Faux
Agree airman was a useful idiot.
Given:
1. Ukraine is losing and soon it can’t be hidden, spring offensive was doomed to fail.
2. There will be blowback and finger pointing, and huge loss of credibility for cheerleaders.
3. The Economic War is getting huge blowback, weakening the US Dollars reserve status.
4. A recession is coming.
5. The us deep-state would like to increase the reach of their censorship/ monitoring.
6. NYT is favored forum for domestic intel agencies for leaking, and broadcast contents.
7. WP is for NSA and CIA. Focus seems to be on need to increase surveillance / censorship tools.
Guess - internal fight by a deep state faction worried about “X”, against Neocons pushing the Ukraine War.
What is/ arethe deep-state faction goal(s)?
Some possibilities:
1. Stop continued neocon obstruction of peace deal
2. Stop forcing Russia to conquer all Ukraine
3. Stop escalation by nato forces entering more directly combat
4. Stop Germany and other countries suing for peace with Russia
5. Stop increased damage to us Dollar reserve status
6. Avoid Being blamed for losing Ukraine
7. Avoid US being seen as paper tiger
8. Kneecap Biden Administration, make them lame ducks, and stop Biden from running for re-election.
8. Neutralize issue that Trump could use to regain Presidency.
9. Increase surveillance/ censorship tools / abilities
I don’t see the deepstate forcing Biden to resign. He’s a puppet, and there’s a danger of Kamala that is too incompetent/ unpredictable. It’s more useful to go after his top advisers / neocons, and clip their wings.
Ray, do you think airman was innocent bystander or entrapped? To me it needs to be understood “how” he got the documents. As in some stuff was out of his domain.
That isn't a true statement. Nothing is out of the domain. There is no such thing as a routine CIA or FBI document that doesn't get out to NSA/DoD. I bet Hillary even had those on her personal server. At least that more believable to me.
"There is no such thing as a routine CIA or FBI document that doesn't get out to NSA/DoD."
"Routine"
We're not talking about routine docs. There are unquestionably FBI docs that do not get out to NSA/DoD.
I would imagine the CIA/FBI documents are normally quite secure and contained within each institution’s walls, but, Massachusetts and Maryland are both on the east coast, not far from each other and with nothing more than a hacked garage door opener, these very documents could have been purloined from right next to a classic Corvette. Who’s to say they weren’t?
My guess is he stumbled across the documents that were deliberately placed to be found. Perhaps someone noticed some unauthorized searches by the airman, and took advantage of that. That is why I labeled him a useful idiot. I guess this is entrapment also.
But with the incredible amount of government informants, as shown in the Whitmer “kidnapping” and Jan 6 Proud Boys I would not be surprised if he was spoon fed the documents and entrapped due to his demographics by somebody. A more traditional form of entrapment.
From what I have read, there should be no possibility he had access to these documents. And it’s only selective portions of the documents. It smells like a political hit job.
That is a huge question, how did he have access to those documents?
I’m assuming mi6 had him under electronic surveillance, since us Intel agencies can’t do domestic surveillance as part of the 5 eyes cutout. An mi6 cutout identified him.
Think you’re spot on.
Ray, on your no 3 directly above, it looks like the Poles just got the green light from Germany to send 5MiGs to Ukraine…you just know those Poles were up to something…as reported via CitFreePress:
https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.aljazeera.com%2Fnews%2F2023%2F4%2F13%2Fgermany-approves-polands-request-to-send-mig-29-jets-to-ukraine
Glenn Greenwalds adds great context. The Same Establishment Playbook is used to Malign...
https://greenwald.locals.com/upost/3847099/the-same-establishment-playbook-is-used-to-malign-the-character-of-leakers-and-distract-attention-fr
I have written it more than once- there will come a point where it can't be hidden that Ukraine is going to lose, and that will be the most dangerous point for the entire world- will we be dumb enough to escalate to full scale conflict with the Russians.
There are a lot of barbarians who were at the gates and now comfortably inside the U.S. with full backing of our elite who have granted them money to live and prosper off the backs of the tax payers they, the elites, want to eliminate (Shhh, don't talk about "The Replacement" theory or be censored and crushed beneath the wheel of progressive "Our Democracy"). These barbarians will be encouraged to fight for their paymasters once the patriots are out of the way, you see they must crush White Supremacy/Nationalists. Our leaders are too far down the path of creating Utopia for the greater good.
/sarc sprinkled with truth serum.
Neuter Nuland.
LOL! Keep working on that one! Is the US going to pay for everything it's broken around the world since the Cold War?
I am going to assert a contrary narrative- this is a last, desperate push to get NATO directly involved using air power. The leaks of the precarious state of Ukrainian forces is to build the political support for direct involvement- i.e., "Ukraine can't win without air support, so lets give it to them so that they can" argument is already being put out in not so many words- see the various talking heads saying we need to give Ukraine whatever it takes to win.
The "leaks" are news only to the gullible Western public, who have been spoon-fed lies since day one. As for attempts to get NATO directly involved, see Macron's recent statements about getting out from under the "leadership" of the U.S., as well as Germany's comments agreeing with Macron. IOW, they have known all along that the West cannot prevail militarily, and they counted on economic warfare to beat Russia. That has failed, and now the smart ones are running for cover. NATO air support would last a few short days/weeks before the Russian AD weaponry takes them out. It's time for the West to find the exits.
Right. Not an option.
Just because something isn't a real option doesn't mean our leadership caste are smart enough to know that.
They don't need to be smart. Just the logistics are too formidable.
They are definitely screwed. Could mean jail time in Leavenworth.
That investigation will take a while.
Yes and yes. I mean, everyone in the world knows we did the pipeline. But re the E-3 and his supervisors, how did those CIA internal docs and possible FBI internal doc get onto his computer? This is why I wonder about a plant.
They don't get on to his computer. He downloaded them from the network after searching for them in a search engine that scans the network for files to add. Just like the internet. What happened is some general left them where he thought was secure share, when it wasn't secure and the search engine picked them up. Kid had access to the search engine. Kid searched for stuff to impress his buddies.
The belief about cia/fbi documents is what is leading you astray.
"What happened is some general left them where he thought was secure share, when it wasn't secure and the search engine picked them up."
And you know this, how? I don't say that couldn't happen, but that sounds like the kind of thing that there would be safeguards against this sort of thing happening--to prevent documents within certain categories from being moved from a secure location to a less secure one.
None of this sounds like the processes described by Shaffer or Johnson/colleagues for docs at the high classifications they describe.
In any well-structured information repository there will be system-wide rules that prevent saving of files in inappropriate locations. Every upload, download, change of document etc is logged and version-controlled. This is easily implemented using fairly basic systems like Sharepoint, let alone on hardened servers. The search tool/s would be hardened too, preventing files of certain classifications from being visible to the search. Every time a document is printed a record is kept. Saving to local disk drives, USB sticks, or to the cloud are prohibited, or should be, sending docs as email attachments too. Photos of the documents were taken by one or more folks at the required security level. EXIF data removed... and after that these can go anywhere, quite literally. And that's what happened.
Thanks, Karen. These are the issues I had in mind but was unable to properly express.
So far Texeira seems like the Chansley of this operation.