While I was writing the penultimate post about the lack of communication between the locals and Secret Service at the Trump assassination, this story (based on WaPo reporting) came out at Zerohedge:
"He also revealed a couple of things that he expects outlets to widely report next week, including *why counter-snipers waited so long to shoot the would-be assassin.*
“I've got from as close a source as you're gonna get to this, okay?" he said before going into detail about what he found out. "The reason they waited and hesitated was because *they were unsure if that was in fact the locals who were supposed to have that post.* Apparently, they waited for the muzzle flash, which is an unbelievable lapse in security, before they realized 'That's not us.'”
This thing just gets more and more over the top almost by the minute!! RedState is reporting that he climbed up HVAC equipment to access his final position during the failed assassination attempt! I’m not ex-law enforcement, but I was maintenance manager for a company for 32 years and I can tell you for a fact that if you start climbing around on HVAC equipment and the attendant supply and delivery lines that it’s NOT like walking on a path and it is noisy as hell when you start moving around on sheet metal and rigid ductwork !! How no one saw or heard the guy from the next county is almost unbelievable. It’d be roughly the equivalent of tying a bunch of empty cans to your feet while you attempt to “sneak up” on your target. This is just gets screwier and screwier.
Any mathematicians in the group who can calculate the likelihood of all of these coincidences converging in at the same place and same time without outside interference?
If the only way to prosecute is through the DOJ, that is Democrat right now. There will be no accountability. Cheatle's association with Cheney is suspect. Biggest reveal is that Crooks knew a few days ahead of the announcement that Trump was coming. I think that is when he scoped things out. So who at SS knew this? Could it be someone on Trump's team? Trump should set a trap.
Mr. Wauck, Good morning and thank you so so much for your analysis in these two articles.
Normal S.S. protocol is to conduct security sweeps of the physical locations prior to the events that take place therein. S.S. in charge was responsible for determining where the perimeter of the event would be established, and purposely put those AGR research buildings outside the perimeter. If the S.S. Snipers were assigned to the Butler rally at the last minute, they wouldn't have any surveillance first hand (determined with their own eyes). And you say that if you were an S.S. Sniper, you definitely would want to meet your local Sniper counterparts before the rally started. No meeting took place.
So, all of the Snipers were new to the scene of Trump's pre-planned presidential rally, as well as the new S.S. protective detail for Trump's person, as well as all of the additional Homeland Security personnel with rifles and some wearing riot gear.
To my mind, Secretary Mayorkas has all of the answers. Director Wray prejudiced his leadership authority by his own personal cynicism toward the immediate cause of violent injury of Trump. Director Cheadle resigned, but she must remain a culpable agent in the assassination attempt. And dementia-in-and-out Joe Biden is culpable as the head authority over these persons.
Loud, insistent public clamor for true answers must keep on coming until the whole real story is spelled out to all of the American people. Joe, and now, Kamala should be asked questions non-stop
about the failures-turning-into-killer-crimes that are happening under their governmental leadership.
Americans have to point to the current government in charge for their permissible non-chalance toward grievance perpetrating violence happening all over our country. Assassinating Trump looks like just another form of permissible violence that was tried to assuage feelings of frustrating anger against someone/something they fervently oppose.
I don't have much -- anything -- to add to the discussion at this stage except to observe that I am not at all surprised that Kimberly Cheatle could not answer any of the questions hurled at her by Congress people.
What could she have said?
Maybe:
"Yeah, you're right...we did it..." "Whoops, I guess you caught us." "Sorry, we really f*cked up when the kid missed." "Damn counter-sniper took the kid out too fast!"
-or-
"I'll have to touch base with Mr. Cheney on that and I'll get back to you."
The pattern up until the Trump assassination attempt has been for the lead agency and supporting agencies to hold a press conference to update the public on what can be disseminated and stress the investigation is in progress. Think back to all the high-profile cases, such as the San Bernardino killers, the Las Vegas shooter in the hotel killing concert goers, the Charleston, SC church shooting, etc. Every one of these cases followed the same pattern by authorities with a press conference and usually several more as the days went by. If there has been one press conference held by those in charge at Butler, PA, I must have missed it and all the others that would have taken place as well.
Why was Trump's normal Secret Service detail pulled at the last minute prior to the Butler rally? Coincidence? Why was no Secret Service advance visit and preparation conducted, as is normal practice? Coincidence? Why was the normal coordination meeting with local LEOs not conducted? Coincidence? Why did the Secret Service refuse the offer of drone surveillance from the local and State Police? Coincidence? Why did the Secret Service ignore the warnings about suspicious activity by the eventual shooter? Coincidence? Why did the Secret Service fail to warn Trump's personal detail and keep him off the stage until the problem was resolved (as was done at other Trump rallies where similar suspicious situations arose)? Coincidence? Why did the Secret Service fail to preserve recordings of all communications on that day, as is normal practice? Coincidence? These are just a few of the missteps that the Seccret Service would have us believe are all purely coincidence.
If there’s no commission and heads don’t roll in the near future then it will cast a long shadow. If Trump becomes President and nothing happens it will cast an even longer shadow.
Times of India: "Former US President Donald Trump lauded the courage of a female Secret Service agent who shielded him during a recent assassination attempt, dismissing critics who questioned her effectiveness due to her stature". So nope, Trump won't do anything. He never learns and he can't control his mouth. There is no saviour riding in to save us.
You're very likely correct. But if he had sided with the critics who say (quite possibly with full justification) that SS protective details ought not to use anyone under 6 foot - for example - he would 100% be pounced upon for baying along with the sexist pronoun-denier mob. Easy meat for the Kamala posse. So maybe this time he recognised a potential tar-baby and dodged it. Just saying.
There is NO excuse for having Trump up on stage given the information known by the SS. But for me (someone who is totally ignorant of SOP for these events) an equivalent question is "How did the shooter know exactly where to position himself to get a free shot and avoid detection while doing so?". Even given the massive failure of securing the perimeter, it just doesn't make sense that someone could have the knowledge a priori about the positioning of the local and SS snipers and agents and the vulnerabilities associated with such. Drones or no drones.
As Mark has stated: "that free shot never would have been available but for the actions of the Secret Service—actions both of commission as well as omission. Stripping Trump of basic protection, sending him on stage without warning him of the threats that had been received within minutes, failing to delay Trump’s appearance, failure to establish a rational perimeter." (https://meaninginhistory.substack.com/p/wray-testifies-re-trump-assassination)
Exactly. The series of security lapses, either isolated to this event or in a pattern, could not plausibly create conditions for a *random* shooter on that day to exploit those specific breaches and get off a kill shot. That kid's plan wouldn't have worked at a county fair, much less a presidential rally.
How long? Until the lawyers for the shooting victims start pushing local and state authorities to file criminal charges. Obstruction of the investigation, criminal neglect in not following standard procedures, possibly accessory after the fact. Sorry for the clumsy language; not a lawyer.
The Secret Service issued a non-response response to all the talk of a communications breakdown. They're going to "try to understand" what went wrong. Uh huh.
Hey I don't know how to conduct an investigation, but the SAC from the Pittsburgh office should be publicly identified, then dragged in front of Congress to answer all the questions their boss couldn't.
And if that doesn’t do the trick, then they’ll really turn up the heat and send a “very sternly” worded follow up letter!! Yeh, that’ll show’em that they mean business. This whole situation is just such a clown show, reminds me of Wylie Coyote!
Lack of communication kills--per Bongino"
"He also revealed a couple of things that he expects outlets to widely report next week, including *why counter-snipers waited so long to shoot the would-be assassin.*
“I've got from as close a source as you're gonna get to this, okay?" he said before going into detail about what he found out. "The reason they waited and hesitated was because *they were unsure if that was in fact the locals who were supposed to have that post.* Apparently, they waited for the muzzle flash, which is an unbelievable lapse in security, before they realized 'That's not us.'”
We need to hear from the SS guy in charge of operations and command/control that day. Bring the person in front of the committees.
Have we got a name for the senior officer/s in the control centre yet?
Some scrubbing has been done, I’ve had no luck so far.
I found one from 2006 and this one from 2021:
Timothy Burke was 2021
https://www.justice.gov/usao-wdpa/pr/judge-sentences-michigan-man-7-years-prison-hacking-upmc-hr-databases-and-stealing
This thing just gets more and more over the top almost by the minute!! RedState is reporting that he climbed up HVAC equipment to access his final position during the failed assassination attempt! I’m not ex-law enforcement, but I was maintenance manager for a company for 32 years and I can tell you for a fact that if you start climbing around on HVAC equipment and the attendant supply and delivery lines that it’s NOT like walking on a path and it is noisy as hell when you start moving around on sheet metal and rigid ductwork !! How no one saw or heard the guy from the next county is almost unbelievable. It’d be roughly the equivalent of tying a bunch of empty cans to your feet while you attempt to “sneak up” on your target. This is just gets screwier and screwier.
Any mathematicians in the group who can calculate the likelihood of all of these coincidences converging in at the same place and same time without outside interference?
If the only way to prosecute is through the DOJ, that is Democrat right now. There will be no accountability. Cheatle's association with Cheney is suspect. Biggest reveal is that Crooks knew a few days ahead of the announcement that Trump was coming. I think that is when he scoped things out. So who at SS knew this? Could it be someone on Trump's team? Trump should set a trap.
Mr. Wauck, Good morning and thank you so so much for your analysis in these two articles.
Normal S.S. protocol is to conduct security sweeps of the physical locations prior to the events that take place therein. S.S. in charge was responsible for determining where the perimeter of the event would be established, and purposely put those AGR research buildings outside the perimeter. If the S.S. Snipers were assigned to the Butler rally at the last minute, they wouldn't have any surveillance first hand (determined with their own eyes). And you say that if you were an S.S. Sniper, you definitely would want to meet your local Sniper counterparts before the rally started. No meeting took place.
So, all of the Snipers were new to the scene of Trump's pre-planned presidential rally, as well as the new S.S. protective detail for Trump's person, as well as all of the additional Homeland Security personnel with rifles and some wearing riot gear.
To my mind, Secretary Mayorkas has all of the answers. Director Wray prejudiced his leadership authority by his own personal cynicism toward the immediate cause of violent injury of Trump. Director Cheadle resigned, but she must remain a culpable agent in the assassination attempt. And dementia-in-and-out Joe Biden is culpable as the head authority over these persons.
Loud, insistent public clamor for true answers must keep on coming until the whole real story is spelled out to all of the American people. Joe, and now, Kamala should be asked questions non-stop
about the failures-turning-into-killer-crimes that are happening under their governmental leadership.
Americans have to point to the current government in charge for their permissible non-chalance toward grievance perpetrating violence happening all over our country. Assassinating Trump looks like just another form of permissible violence that was tried to assuage feelings of frustrating anger against someone/something they fervently oppose.
I don't have much -- anything -- to add to the discussion at this stage except to observe that I am not at all surprised that Kimberly Cheatle could not answer any of the questions hurled at her by Congress people.
What could she have said?
Maybe:
"Yeah, you're right...we did it..." "Whoops, I guess you caught us." "Sorry, we really f*cked up when the kid missed." "Damn counter-sniper took the kid out too fast!"
-or-
"I'll have to touch base with Mr. Cheney on that and I'll get back to you."
She probably had to rewrite her speech when the operation failed.
The pattern up until the Trump assassination attempt has been for the lead agency and supporting agencies to hold a press conference to update the public on what can be disseminated and stress the investigation is in progress. Think back to all the high-profile cases, such as the San Bernardino killers, the Las Vegas shooter in the hotel killing concert goers, the Charleston, SC church shooting, etc. Every one of these cases followed the same pattern by authorities with a press conference and usually several more as the days went by. If there has been one press conference held by those in charge at Butler, PA, I must have missed it and all the others that would have taken place as well.
Something doesn't smell right.
Why was Trump's normal Secret Service detail pulled at the last minute prior to the Butler rally? Coincidence? Why was no Secret Service advance visit and preparation conducted, as is normal practice? Coincidence? Why was the normal coordination meeting with local LEOs not conducted? Coincidence? Why did the Secret Service refuse the offer of drone surveillance from the local and State Police? Coincidence? Why did the Secret Service ignore the warnings about suspicious activity by the eventual shooter? Coincidence? Why did the Secret Service fail to warn Trump's personal detail and keep him off the stage until the problem was resolved (as was done at other Trump rallies where similar suspicious situations arose)? Coincidence? Why did the Secret Service fail to preserve recordings of all communications on that day, as is normal practice? Coincidence? These are just a few of the missteps that the Seccret Service would have us believe are all purely coincidence.
“missteps” swap for “aberrations”
I bet Jill Biden’s last minute event drained Trump's event of trained as people. And had more as people. In the middle circle 12 vs 3.
And this resulted in non ss people (homeland security) being used at trumps rally. Who had no idea of ss protocols.
And why was the top ss person specialty cyber security?
Why why why and why? because…time to relieve our democracy of Trump.
If there’s no commission and heads don’t roll in the near future then it will cast a long shadow. If Trump becomes President and nothing happens it will cast an even longer shadow.
Times of India: "Former US President Donald Trump lauded the courage of a female Secret Service agent who shielded him during a recent assassination attempt, dismissing critics who questioned her effectiveness due to her stature". So nope, Trump won't do anything. He never learns and he can't control his mouth. There is no saviour riding in to save us.
You're very likely correct. But if he had sided with the critics who say (quite possibly with full justification) that SS protective details ought not to use anyone under 6 foot - for example - he would 100% be pounced upon for baying along with the sexist pronoun-denier mob. Easy meat for the Kamala posse. So maybe this time he recognised a potential tar-baby and dodged it. Just saying.
Good point.
The whole thing stinks. This has to be taken out of the hands of the FBI or the truth will be buried as deeply as Hunter Biden's laptop.
There is NO excuse for having Trump up on stage given the information known by the SS. But for me (someone who is totally ignorant of SOP for these events) an equivalent question is "How did the shooter know exactly where to position himself to get a free shot and avoid detection while doing so?". Even given the massive failure of securing the perimeter, it just doesn't make sense that someone could have the knowledge a priori about the positioning of the local and SS snipers and agents and the vulnerabilities associated with such. Drones or no drones.
As Mark has stated: "that free shot never would have been available but for the actions of the Secret Service—actions both of commission as well as omission. Stripping Trump of basic protection, sending him on stage without warning him of the threats that had been received within minutes, failing to delay Trump’s appearance, failure to establish a rational perimeter." (https://meaninginhistory.substack.com/p/wray-testifies-re-trump-assassination)
Exactly. The series of security lapses, either isolated to this event or in a pattern, could not plausibly create conditions for a *random* shooter on that day to exploit those specific breaches and get off a kill shot. That kid's plan wouldn't have worked at a county fair, much less a presidential rally.
How long? Until the lawyers for the shooting victims start pushing local and state authorities to file criminal charges. Obstruction of the investigation, criminal neglect in not following standard procedures, possibly accessory after the fact. Sorry for the clumsy language; not a lawyer.
Q. Whoa! How Does This Happen Accidentally?
A. It doesn't.
To ask that question is to know the answer.
The Secret Service issued a non-response response to all the talk of a communications breakdown. They're going to "try to understand" what went wrong. Uh huh.
Hey I don't know how to conduct an investigation, but the SAC from the Pittsburgh office should be publicly identified, then dragged in front of Congress to answer all the questions their boss couldn't.
That's FBI, not SS.
I'm sure a strongly-worded letter from the GOP will sort that out.
And if that doesn’t do the trick, then they’ll really turn up the heat and send a “very sternly” worded follow up letter!! Yeh, that’ll show’em that they mean business. This whole situation is just such a clown show, reminds me of Wylie Coyote!
Or launch an impeachment process which they know will go nowhere. Remember when John Boehner sued the dems over Obamacare? I wonder how that's going?
Or when Lindsey Graham swore to the American People: "I'll get to the bottom of this no matter what!"
He'll get to the bottom alright, but not in the way we mean.