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Matthew Rhodes's avatar

Powerline has a post, NO MAGA SCHISM ON IRAN, with a survey by J. L. Partners stating 58% of Republicans back U.S. military strikes on Iran jumping to 65% among MAGA Republicans.

Never heard of the J.L. Partners survey but it certainly doesn't jive with the The Economist/YouGov Poll.

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Mark Wauck's avatar

Yeah, after the Economist/YouGov Poll came out they've been scrambling to counter that, coming up with obscure orgs.

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Its Just Me's avatar

We all have our biases and can pick polls that bolster our beliefs. I'm learning that I shouldn't place blind faith in 'conservative' sites anymore than I should in mainstream sites.

I can't speak for all of MAGA, only myself. I don't want war with Iran. I know that many who are MAGA agree with me. Some do support a war. There's a lot of spinning going, on trying to herd us like sheep into how we're 'supposed' to believe.

I'm disappointed in PJ Media, Citizen Free Press, Breitbart and other websites that make ad hominem attacks, rather than stick to cogent arguments.

It took me into my 50s to learn to think for myself. Right or wrong, I never want to go back to outsourcing my convictions.

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JRob's avatar

Wait a minute....why do Israeli jets need refueling to bomb Gaza? Israel is only 84 miles wide at its widest. According to a quick search, Israel has airbases within 60 miles of Gaza. An F16 has a combat range of 300-350 miles. With conformal fuel tanks it can go almost twice as far. Something is not right about this.

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Mark Wauck's avatar

How about this: Aviation fuel is expensive and the wars on Gaza, Lebanon, and Syria have been going on for a long time. There's no question but that Israel has been receiving super intensive--and also expensive--air based intel support from the US and NATO throughout these wars.

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Amanda R's avatar

Regarding Trump's mental state: it seems to me in the footage from the DD/McGregor report that he is 'glitching' rather than suffering dementia. I mean to say he is showing the signs of a man for whom reality has suddenly turned up and smacked him in the face. He's trying desperately to talk up his game but under the surface he has no idea what to do.

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Cosmo T Kat's avatar

That's an interesting take. I've not had a chance to view this discussion as I work and only have time to read some essays and offer comments. This is why Mark's efforts are so appreciated. He gives a good overview and the offers his perspective, but I think, as illustrated by your comment, one can glean some insight from our own perspective when listening to the entirety of the discussion.

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Steghorn21's avatar

Well, I was wrong about Tulsi. I lumped her in with that useless trio of Patel, Bongino and Bondi. She's had the guts to speak out against the crazies and dare to tell Trump what the intelligence actually says: Iran has no bomb and isn't making one. After what Trump said about her a few days ago, I too doubt she'll be staying long. Musk bailing on what seems to be a sinking ship looks like wisdom right now.

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Its Just Me's avatar

I'm not ready to throw in the towel on Patel and Bongino. I have concerns about Bondi going back to George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin.

If you're interested in Bondi's role in George Zimmerman, read the work by Joel Gilbert and Jack Cashill.

Prosecutors should do the right thing, even standing up to unbearable pressure in the pursuit of justice. Bondi failed that test.

The same can be said for the George Floyd case. The same for the Arbery Ahmaud case, although it has more nuance, since the behavior of the defendants was foolish, as they were not policemen and should've simply followed from a safe distance and called the cops. That being said, Ahmaud was no saint.

In all three cases, the men who were killed were presented in the best possible light, with younger pictures of Ahmad and Martin, especially.

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Cosmo T Kat's avatar

I think there are a lot of people who upon reflection they find themselves with a POV that begins to align with people like Tulsi. I'm really enjoying Matt Taibbi even though we may disagree on some things.

I have always thought about 60% of the country, if you tear off the R or D label, would find they agree more than they disagree. This is the coalition that needs to be formed, but how to get there is the problem. We tend to fall back on our side of the aisle rather than explore our agreements and let the disagreements rule our POV. IMHO

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Steghorn21's avatar

I think you are probably right, Cosmo. However, the problem is always going to be this: how does even the most popularly supported President overcome the Deep State?

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Cosmo T Kat's avatar

It's a really big challenge. They have been operating for years without accountability and in secrecy with weapons and money that would be the envy of many nations around the world. They are aligned with the Oligarch's of the USA, UK, and Israel. I think Trump is more than aware of this than ever before and has concluded the swamp cannot be drained.

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Mark Wauck's avatar

Iran's special purpose MRBM: Sejil solid-propellant missile

https://youtu.be/WD6bsphp-dg

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Doug Hoover's avatar

Who gave Isreal the right to have nuclear weapons?

Trump does not have to run for a second term. He could wash his hands.

Putin said he would not let Iran lose.

China is supplying fuel and materials to defend Iran.

The choice is WW3. Yes or NO?

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Cosmo T Kat's avatar

"Who gave Isreal the right to have nuclear weapons?"

Good question.........I think they acted on the old adage, "Better to act now, and seek permission later."

Yes, he could, but we don't know why he doesn't and trying to read into his actions gets you nowhere.

Did he?

So it's been said.

Do we have a choice?

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aDoozy's avatar
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As of 1/12/25Ted Cruz has received $1,899,059 from the pro-Israel lobby AIPAC.

"President Trump has been clear that Iran must completely dismantle their nuclear capability,” he wrote on X. “Iran has given President Trump the middle finger. Israel is acting to defend themselves. And we should stand with them".....Ted Cruz

https://www.jns.org/sen-cruz-israel-is-acting-to-defend-itself/

Enlarge the photo of Tehran at the top of the story and look it over a bit--dramatic and awe-ing. Imagine being one of the people in it, and seeing it all in person...

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Cosmo T Kat's avatar

Cruz looked the fool in the Tucker interview. He was belligerent and came off as an uninformed Israeli cuck. His statement that when elected his agenda was in service to Israel. I guess he has $1.9mm reasons to make such an outrageous statement. If I was a Texan I would be pretty po'd about his loyalties to another country.

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Tristam's avatar

All else is dross.

The big buckles on his alligator boots were mesmerizing.

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Cosmo T Kat's avatar

Good catch. Buckles or tinkly bells?

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Steghorn21's avatar

Pieces of silver

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Cosmo T Kat's avatar

More than 40?

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Texas Khaan's avatar

The proverbial Band Aid just got torn off! Trumpet is totally loyal to a few billionaires, keeping his word to them, stabbing his millions of supporters in the back.

Cruz . . . I have no words.

I'm wondering what is going to happen while I tour Mongolia next month?

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Nutmeg's avatar

A 60 day darkness retreat in the Patagonia sounds pretty good about now...

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Steghorn21's avatar

I agree. Trump should take it! :)

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Tamsin's avatar

Bon voyage?

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Texas Khaan's avatar

What are the requirements for a political asylum claim in Mongolia?

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Sarcastic Cynical Texan's avatar

Find yourself a wife, thereby becoming eligible for residency.

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lr's avatar

July 2022, Ivana Trump died falling down the stairs: https://abcnews.go.com/US/ivana-trump-wife-president-trump-dies-age/story?id=86834496

Again, so much energy is spent in this otherwise smart blog pretending the Trump is not living every day with a gun to his head and those of his children. I'm not sure whether that is intentional?

If we acknowledged that reality we could have smarter discussions. But that might not be the goal..

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susan mullen's avatar

Your implication about Ivana Trump's death is the exact opposite of reality. She could no longer walk in public without assistance. She desperately needed hip replacement surgery but didn't get it. Her family/children/friends had mostly ignored her for years. If anyone cared they would've insisted she get hip surgery. She was alone in her house and fell walking down a long flight of stairs holding a cup of coffee. Her housekeeper found her body when she arrived for work that day. If as you say Pres. Trump is operating w. a gun to his and/or his children's head, then he most certainly should resign.

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Cosmo T Kat's avatar

Susan, whenever you show up I can be sure to get good information from your comments. I didn't know exactly what it was that troubled her physically, but I certainly never thought something nefarious happened. She was out of the picture by then what would it serve to harm her? I don't think there is a gun to his head, but I do believe he is acting on behalf of his donors. Apparently he's not listenng to the country as far as I can surmise.

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Mark Wauck's avatar

Max Blumenthal made the serious argument/suggestion yesterday--in conversation with Judge Nap--that Trump's behavior may be best explained by the idea that he's operating under threat. Quite a few commentators (Mac yesterday) are now saying openly what I've been saying--that Trump had to make a deal to get back in office. Blumenthal says that too, pointing out that the Adelson's have given him something like $600M.

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Tamsin's avatar

With Trump's unhinged bombast, we can see the puppet strings, which would not be so visible with a Clinton or Biden or Kamala, let alone Cruz and his ilk. So Trump continues to reveal that we are in Plato's Cave.

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Tristam's avatar

1. Not resign, make it public.

2. Cruz said "Iranians tried to kill Trump. " Questioned about Bibi's statement that Iranians tried twice to kill Trump, Cruz backpedaled, "mistake."

Cruz had no facts to support claim that Iranians tried to kill T., but stuck to the story.

IMO Tucker's line of questioning about this was ineffective.

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Cosmo T Kat's avatar

In a response to I comment I made on another site about evidence, I got this:

"The Justice Department has charged an asset of the Iranian regime who was tasked by the regime to direct a network of criminal associates to further Iran's assassination plots against its targets, including President-elect Donald J. Trump," Attorney General Merrick Garland said in a statement announcing the charges."

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/3-charged-iran-linked-plot-assassinate-donald-trump/story?id=115646874

I had never heard this allegation before and I found it amusing since it came from ABC and Merrick Garland. The scapegoating of Iran runs very deep and very deceitful. Has the smell of CIA-Mossad-MI6.

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Mark Wauck's avatar

Agreed. It's a lie that the Ruling Class repeats to gaslight gullible Americans. But Americans have been catching on to the scam.

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susan mullen's avatar

He's had 8 years to make public whatever he wanted to. As to Iran threats to kill Trump, they're completely justifiable. Trump publicly bragged how he pulled the trigger in Jan. 2021 to assassinate a top Iran general along w. aides as he arrived in Iraq. He proudly said, "I did that!" at a rally shortly afterwards. 2021 Rallyers cheered and chanted "USA." This is sick. It justifiably puts a target on the back of all Americans. It's bad enough to murder someone, but you don't brag about it.

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Tamsin's avatar

2020?

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Tristam's avatar

Important point. I tend to dismiss mamy arguments -- "It's Adelson's money;" or legislators bought by AIPAC money. Or Epstein. IMO the most potent form of coercion is threat to one's children.

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That said -- just listened to the entire Tucker-Cruz talk. Cruz is totally devoid of moral, legal, Constitutional guide rails on his decision making. Credit to Tucker. How many other legislators follow the same amoral, irrational, non-legal, non-evidence-based thinking?

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Steghorn21's avatar

To think that this guy was once the Great White Hope of conservative America.

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kim's avatar

Uggghhh...... What a mess we are in .......we are trapped in a moving bus, driven by a mentally unstable crew, heading for a cliff. I don't see much hope for calling for section four of the 25th at this point...... too many who are salivating at the thought of the "winnings" at the end of the crash. I am feeling at a loss and I just threw up a bit ...... Prayers up for a miracle...... Blessed Be ..... this is surreal.......

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Kim, when I read that US tankers have been refueling Israeli planes for their bombing raids on Gaza, tears came from my eyes.

How heartless and EVIL to order this support for mass murder!

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Steghorn21's avatar

There will be a price to pay at some point, aD.

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aDoozy's avatar

Yes, Steghorn.

God will judge them.

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kim's avatar

Pathological Psychopaths ....... it is an illness..... a parasite ...... reptilian brain override. Unfortunately, this type of mental disorder lacks empathy, compassion, morality and a conscience...... therefore, are able to murder, rape and pillage ..... even kill their own children and families ...... how do those of us that have rooted senses of morality, integrity, empathy, honesty, compassion and humility deal with those that would and do kill their own for the sake of power and wealth??? ...... I have been crying every day for a very long time ...... Blessings to you, aDoozy

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aDoozy's avatar

Kim, purposeful, unrepentant cruelty to others deeply saddens those with tenderized hearts.

There are many here who are like us.

The Holy Spirit tenderizes the heart.

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D F Barr's avatar

So let me understand the deep state logic. It goes something like Russia preemptively strikes another country is bad. Israel/US preemptively strike another country good? Hmmmm. When do we all start flying our Star of David flags? What a time to be alive.

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Tamsin's avatar

Good point.

Only Israel may "rise and kill first".

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No's avatar

I've been thinking the same about Trump. He doesn't seem really on the ball.

There's no way we survive two dementia patients in a row.

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aDoozy's avatar

Honestly, I detected some slight slurs in his talk outside the White House this morning. I have heard them before. I am not transfering dementia symptoms onto him--just stating what I heard.

His speech content is often delivered angrily and aggressively.

The man does not project calm and rationality.

Also, DJT's face has aged noticeably in the past year. A lot of sagging. He has not had the cosmetic surgery that Biden surely had, whose face was tight and eyes slitty.

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Manul's avatar
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During the first few evenings of the war, there were numerous videos of the falling missiles on Israel (presumably). These have nearly disappeared. Are the Iranians firing fewer missiles? Are they running out of missiles and/or launchers? Is there more video censorship now?Hard to believe with all the cell phones in Israel that almost no video is now available. Is the WSJ report that in 10-12 days Israel could run out of air defense missiles true?

We are also hearing of US base evacs in the ME and prepositioning of carrier groups etc.

And then there’s Trump spewing his perplexing nonsense nearly 24/7. I am expecting to wake up one morning to find that the U.S. has gone all in on another war without a declaration of war from the Congress.

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Steghorn21's avatar

Netanyahu has imposed a tight censorship regime. Something that wouldn't be necessary if Israel was winning.

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Manul's avatar

I noticed a lot more posting of damage to Tel Aviv this morning. Speculation was that now there needs to be the sympathy play in order to garner more support for the U.S. directly engaging Iran. If the video is authentic then it certainly appears that Israeli AD is under great stress.

Naturally there is the film of hospitals being hit, something that no one cared about when they were in Gaza.

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Tamsin's avatar

But but but... Trump promised me we "own" the skies above Iran. So if we have a lid on it, how does anything escape to land on Israel?

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Amanda R's avatar

They've just passed a law making it illegal to post footage of bombs/damage.

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No's avatar

The Israeli government has demanded that news media and citizens not post photos or vids of the damage inflicted by Iran.

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Cosmo T Kat's avatar

Probably keeping Max Blumenthal and Greyzone in the dark. They've really posted some illuminating Israeli lies.

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Steghorn21's avatar

Some illuminating explosions too

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Richard C. Cook's avatar

Listened to the Mac interview. VERY far-ranging. Israel --and Trump-- are toast

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Steghorn21's avatar

Agreed. The Israel project, one which I supported ardently for most of my life, is now over. Israel is no longer what it's founding aims promised: a safe haven for Jews. It is now safer to be a Jew in Germany and Poland than in Tel Aviv. The irony is not lost on me.

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Mark Wauck's avatar

It was powerful.

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Steghorn21's avatar

This stuff is all pretty depressing just reading it. I often wonder how people like the good Colonel, Larry Johnson and you, Mark, get through their day covering all this stuff without hitting the bottle.

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Mr.Mac's avatar

Mark , your carefully selected snippets since the start of this confrontation have been wonderfully enlightening to many of us who do not have the background to identify the wide gathering of information that you can carefully put together for us . Tks.

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Charles Summers's avatar

Roger that

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Mark Wauck's avatar

You're very welcome!

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Arnold's avatar

I’m more apt to believe cia has epstein’s tapes and Musk is right. The CIA and the Zionist lobby own Trump.

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Amanda R's avatar

There are online murmurings that the alleged Iranian hack which stole the Israel nuclear arsenal locations also included the Mossad kompromat on however many public figures. The theory, unproven obvs, is it is this theft that has caused the Israelis to go he'll for leather after the Iranians. Delicious if true but who on earth would know.

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Tristam's avatar

I worry about Barron.

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Mark Wauck's avatar

Nothing would surprise me less than to learn something similar about Kurilla.

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Ray-SoCa's avatar

I read or heard someplace us officers serving in Israel were targeted to be influenced….

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Tamsin's avatar

On the one hand, I can imagine honeypots (pick a honeypot, any honeypot) working. On the other hand, given our cultural surrender to hedonism, we are officially culturally shameless.

I'm guesing more old-fashioned threats, threatening family life and limb, is what works to control people.

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Steghorn21's avatar

Most ordinary folks have no idea how deep and evil the Zionist control over our leaders is. The only hope is that it is now coming out into the open much more. As I think James H Kunstler said recently, there's a lot more "noticing".

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Ray-SoCa's avatar

My guess all of the above.

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Mark Wauck's avatar

Systematically.

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