Just to play Devil's Advocate here, if a bot were to construct a comment to post on a conservative site where pretty much every commenter understands and pays attention to and well, seeks to disentangle the treacherous web of confounding variables introduced by a nefarious public health policy that seeks to innoculate the entire population to a respiratory virus at the peak of it's ourbreak, would the bot use the shopworn "devil's advocate" or would the bot choose something just a little bit less obvious? Take your devil's advocacy and your Long COVID and shove them, friend. Bloody stupid is not the adjective you are looking for, I think the adjective you are looking for is criminally fraudulent.
But are you proposing that the virus could cause serious harm after it's no longer detectable by the famously positive-biased tests? Because everybody in the hospitals are tested routinely. And then, why would it this excess death wave only start showing up immediately after the vaccine rollouts? And in younger people? All cause mortality in 2020 was about normal: people were saying last year that the road and industrial accidents were down due to lockdowns, offsetting the virus deaths, which were very heavily weighted toward the elderly and comorbidity-ridden.
I don't think it's a very compelling hypothesis, in the face of the huge amount of evidence we now have for vaccine toxicity. If you're not yet familiar with the bulk of that, Steve Kirsch's substack isn't a bad start:
Oh, I am aware about the vaccine injuries, again, devil's advocate cos that's part of the scientific process.
As for how long COVID could still affect folks months after: because the virus could conceivably cause long-term damage to the body, perhaps via the spike protein, the same way the vaccines seems to be causing long-term or permanent injury to the heart, etc. You wouldn't show up as positive for COVID after the virus itself has long been destroyed, but the scarring, "holes in the lungs", etc, could remain. Think something like polio: permanent paralysis but they are no longer polio positive.
Certainly mental fatigue could just be stress-based, but as the spike protein shows some ability to cross the blood-brain barrier and neurons are notorious for not regrowing very well... well, just add some COVID-induced inflammation to knock out some neurons, and there you could have COVID-caused mental fog. I think Malone's podcast with Joe Rogan went into that possibility, though in the context of the vaccine's spike proteins.
The difference seems to be COVID likes to live in your nasal cavities and lungs, while the vaccine injects it right into your bloodstream, so the injections are worse, but symptoms that show up in one could conceivably show up in the other.
The "vaccine" as you call it is actually several different versions of an mRNA technology used to purportedly therapeutically induce the body to make a pathogenic protein that the body is then supposed to generate an immune response to. The way this "vaccine" as you call it, differs from vaccines as humanity has historically understood them (before 2019) is precisely in the way it bypasses the immune system to get the body to produce the pathogen it then purportedly wants the immune system to "learn" to fight. The whole point of your playing devil's advocate seems to be to create uncertainty around our ability to detect post mortem how the spike got in the body of the person who died, it does not appear to debate the question of whether the S protein is a pathogen. A policy of early treatment of infection to prevent viral replication, and a simple forbearance from medical experimentation that involves bypassing the immune system to put the pathogenic protein in the body would seem to be a far more effective strategy for not killing people. That's my scientific opinion.
Bhakdi and the German pathologist did some autopsies on people who died as much as six months after the vaccines, and the common denominator was clotting and damage in the pulmonary system as well as the heart. We seem to be seeing similar results months after vaccination here.
Man this is heady stuff. And they’re all in on it. A question though; shouldn’t we see some of the chattering class dropping dead already or are they getting placebos?
No, they're getting ivermectin (like over 200 members of Congress did secretly) or monoclonal antibodies (mAb) (like President Trump did at Walter Reed).
I've got a new conspiracy theory that just occurred to me. Do you think it's possible that a Deep Stater, RINO or secret anti-Trumper in the White House who had mild or asymptomatic Covid was purposely placed near Trump to infect him with Covid?
After all, the Dems , RINOs, Anti-Trumpers and Deep State were desperate to get rid of Trump. The Russia hoax and ridiculous impeachment failed. Hobbling him with suggestions of Deep Stater appointees to Cabinet positions.
How perfect if the overweight, over-65, apple-cart-upsetting, rice-bowl-shattering, incorruptible Trump succumbed to the disease? Intentional murder by contagion. Unprovable.
Good one Anne. I've got one that I started thinking about when I read a comment somewhere very early on in this thing where someone said an intended effect of the jab was to make it very easy for a bad actor to develop a bioweapon against it, everybody jabbed all the sudden has a similarly focused immune system. I did not understand how it would work but then I started reading and watching more about antibody dependent enhancement and it started to make sense. What if Omicron were much deadlier? What's to stop the CCP from having another lab leak at any time?
Suicide and overdose were already major causes of death pre-covid, and I'd say it's easy to believe that all the insane repressions we've been through didn't exactly help that. It would be nice to have some trustworthy cause-of-death numbers for this current wave.
Since you mention it, I expect that we're going to see low birth rates in years to come, based on the long-term effects of the injections on fertility. Stillbirths are massively up already, and the visible perpetrators of this project have historically been pretty up-front about their wish to curtail population growth.
I remember reading that there weren't any excess deaths during Covid year one. One of the arguments behind the scamdemic claim. You don't really start seeing excess all-cause deaths until the jab rollout.
Unfortunately, I don't have a sources to link, but I'm pretty sure the Covid symposium that was discussed on this site last year had an all-cause discussion.
If VAERS was a neglected voluntary database and suddenly it's relevant and people are expected to submit data, then 10x more deaths may just be 2x more deaths and 5x more people submitting info.
Looking at the stock price of SCI (owned by Buffett's BRK), they are up from the mid 30's early scamdemic to over 70 now. And the dividend has also increased as well.
From Yahoo Finance: "Service Corporation International provides deathcare products and services in the United States and Canada." Interesting use of the opposite of healthcare.
I skimmed the earnings and it's not just stock market inflation. They've had pretty slow growth in earnings up until recently. 2016 - 3.03B, 2017 - 3.09B, 2018 - 3.19B, 2019 - 3.23B, 2020 - 3.51B.
2021's first 3 quarters are 3.09B with Q4 reported typically in Feb. Probably looking at another 1.0B which would put them in the 4 Billion range for 2021.
It's literally "hiding" in plain sight, but keep in mind this Government has been gaslighting Americans on multiple major issues for decades.
Regardless, I will wager that in the next 5 years we will be bombarded with ads..."If you or a loved one were injected with experimental gene therapies sold as vaccine against SARS Covid 19...you may be entitled to compensation."
Even the crazed fascists in Australia are talking about "vaccine" injury compensation now. Of course, it will be the taxpayer who stumps up the money not the pols or pill pushers.
Dave, with all respect, please do not think we are ever going back to the kind of society where lawsuits will be filed like this against drug companies, hospitals, et al for jab related injuries. America has been fundamentally transformed, as the Lightbringer warned. We are hanging on to the last shreds of civil government. If the gangster government is willing to kill and maim its own citizens like this, they will do far worse to keep power. Lawsuits? Maybe in some post civil war tribunal to settle claims. Short of that, we aren't getting justice from a tort lawyer.
Don't hold your breath. It's possible, but first we'd have to prove fraud to pierce the liability shield. Comirnaty is a fake-out, it's not available anywhere in the US. Meanwhile, we're about due for some serious financial upset.
Pls provide a solid link that the CEO of OneAmerica said this!
Gone to graveyard, every one. When will they ever learn? When will they ever...learn?
Just to play Devil's Advocate here: is Long COVID associated with more deaths? AKA something due the virus itself not the (bloody stupid) vaccines?
Just to play Devil's Advocate here, if a bot were to construct a comment to post on a conservative site where pretty much every commenter understands and pays attention to and well, seeks to disentangle the treacherous web of confounding variables introduced by a nefarious public health policy that seeks to innoculate the entire population to a respiratory virus at the peak of it's ourbreak, would the bot use the shopworn "devil's advocate" or would the bot choose something just a little bit less obvious? Take your devil's advocacy and your Long COVID and shove them, friend. Bloody stupid is not the adjective you are looking for, I think the adjective you are looking for is criminally fraudulent.
Long Covid seems to be the latest approved narrative…
https://redstate.com/bonchie/2022/01/01/the-covid-19-narrative-shifts-again-as-the-grifters-look-for-their-next-score-n500401
Whatever my dude. You're clearly not interested in science if you can't stand some debate and questioning.
So, a troll not a bot? Madude.
zing!
So, for one thing, not everybody believes in "long COVID" per se.
https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/is-long-covid-mostly-a-mental-disease
But are you proposing that the virus could cause serious harm after it's no longer detectable by the famously positive-biased tests? Because everybody in the hospitals are tested routinely. And then, why would it this excess death wave only start showing up immediately after the vaccine rollouts? And in younger people? All cause mortality in 2020 was about normal: people were saying last year that the road and industrial accidents were down due to lockdowns, offsetting the virus deaths, which were very heavily weighted toward the elderly and comorbidity-ridden.
I don't think it's a very compelling hypothesis, in the face of the huge amount of evidence we now have for vaccine toxicity. If you're not yet familiar with the bulk of that, Steve Kirsch's substack isn't a bad start:
http://stevekirsch.substack.com/
Oh, I am aware about the vaccine injuries, again, devil's advocate cos that's part of the scientific process.
As for how long COVID could still affect folks months after: because the virus could conceivably cause long-term damage to the body, perhaps via the spike protein, the same way the vaccines seems to be causing long-term or permanent injury to the heart, etc. You wouldn't show up as positive for COVID after the virus itself has long been destroyed, but the scarring, "holes in the lungs", etc, could remain. Think something like polio: permanent paralysis but they are no longer polio positive.
Certainly mental fatigue could just be stress-based, but as the spike protein shows some ability to cross the blood-brain barrier and neurons are notorious for not regrowing very well... well, just add some COVID-induced inflammation to knock out some neurons, and there you could have COVID-caused mental fog. I think Malone's podcast with Joe Rogan went into that possibility, though in the context of the vaccine's spike proteins.
The difference seems to be COVID likes to live in your nasal cavities and lungs, while the vaccine injects it right into your bloodstream, so the injections are worse, but symptoms that show up in one could conceivably show up in the other.
The "vaccine" as you call it is actually several different versions of an mRNA technology used to purportedly therapeutically induce the body to make a pathogenic protein that the body is then supposed to generate an immune response to. The way this "vaccine" as you call it, differs from vaccines as humanity has historically understood them (before 2019) is precisely in the way it bypasses the immune system to get the body to produce the pathogen it then purportedly wants the immune system to "learn" to fight. The whole point of your playing devil's advocate seems to be to create uncertainty around our ability to detect post mortem how the spike got in the body of the person who died, it does not appear to debate the question of whether the S protein is a pathogen. A policy of early treatment of infection to prevent viral replication, and a simple forbearance from medical experimentation that involves bypassing the immune system to put the pathogenic protein in the body would seem to be a far more effective strategy for not killing people. That's my scientific opinion.
Bhakdi and the German pathologist did some autopsies on people who died as much as six months after the vaccines, and the common denominator was clotting and damage in the pulmonary system as well as the heart. We seem to be seeing similar results months after vaccination here.
If the data isn't corrupted, simple check: correlate state vac rates with mortality rates vs time
Man this is heady stuff. And they’re all in on it. A question though; shouldn’t we see some of the chattering class dropping dead already or are they getting placebos?
There have been. Most recently a NYT editor. 49 yo.
No, they're getting ivermectin (like over 200 members of Congress did secretly) or monoclonal antibodies (mAb) (like President Trump did at Walter Reed).
I've got a new conspiracy theory that just occurred to me. Do you think it's possible that a Deep Stater, RINO or secret anti-Trumper in the White House who had mild or asymptomatic Covid was purposely placed near Trump to infect him with Covid?
After all, the Dems , RINOs, Anti-Trumpers and Deep State were desperate to get rid of Trump. The Russia hoax and ridiculous impeachment failed. Hobbling him with suggestions of Deep Stater appointees to Cabinet positions.
How perfect if the overweight, over-65, apple-cart-upsetting, rice-bowl-shattering, incorruptible Trump succumbed to the disease? Intentional murder by contagion. Unprovable.
Good one Anne. I've got one that I started thinking about when I read a comment somewhere very early on in this thing where someone said an intended effect of the jab was to make it very easy for a bad actor to develop a bioweapon against it, everybody jabbed all the sudden has a similarly focused immune system. I did not understand how it would work but then I started reading and watching more about antibody dependent enhancement and it started to make sense. What if Omicron were much deadlier? What's to stop the CCP from having another lab leak at any time?
Ny times Asian editor dropped dead after his third shot
Serial injector.
This guy certainly has lost his mind:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/127245863/covid19-man-receives-up-to-10-vaccines-in-one-day
Suicide and overdose were already major causes of death pre-covid, and I'd say it's easy to believe that all the insane repressions we've been through didn't exactly help that. It would be nice to have some trustworthy cause-of-death numbers for this current wave.
Since you mention it, I expect that we're going to see low birth rates in years to come, based on the long-term effects of the injections on fertility. Stillbirths are massively up already, and the visible perpetrators of this project have historically been pretty up-front about their wish to curtail population growth.
Rather, the commonality is the government reaction to the common cold.
I remember reading that there weren't any excess deaths during Covid year one. One of the arguments behind the scamdemic claim. You don't really start seeing excess all-cause deaths until the jab rollout.
Unfortunately, I don't have a sources to link, but I'm pretty sure the Covid symposium that was discussed on this site last year had an all-cause discussion.
Likewise. I've seen graphs to illustrate that.
So this insurance guy, who's obviously a big noise, is going to risk his career and probably end up in court by exaggerating and making this stuff up?
You think this insurance guy is just making stuff up? There have been reports of huge excess mortality from German and UK official sources.
If VAERS was a neglected voluntary database and suddenly it's relevant and people are expected to submit data, then 10x more deaths may just be 2x more deaths and 5x more people submitting info.
Looking at the stock price of SCI (owned by Buffett's BRK), they are up from the mid 30's early scamdemic to over 70 now. And the dividend has also increased as well.
From Yahoo Finance: "Service Corporation International provides deathcare products and services in the United States and Canada." Interesting use of the opposite of healthcare.
I skimmed the earnings and it's not just stock market inflation. They've had pretty slow growth in earnings up until recently. 2016 - 3.03B, 2017 - 3.09B, 2018 - 3.19B, 2019 - 3.23B, 2020 - 3.51B.
2021's first 3 quarters are 3.09B with Q4 reported typically in Feb. Probably looking at another 1.0B which would put them in the 4 Billion range for 2021.
Something to think about...
Ignore the media, just ask your friends and neighbors. Unsolicited anecdotes about untimely heart attacks and strokes are already wafting my way.
Lots of that coming from nurses, too.
It's literally "hiding" in plain sight, but keep in mind this Government has been gaslighting Americans on multiple major issues for decades.
Regardless, I will wager that in the next 5 years we will be bombarded with ads..."If you or a loved one were injected with experimental gene therapies sold as vaccine against SARS Covid 19...you may be entitled to compensation."
Even the crazed fascists in Australia are talking about "vaccine" injury compensation now. Of course, it will be the taxpayer who stumps up the money not the pols or pill pushers.
Dave, with all respect, please do not think we are ever going back to the kind of society where lawsuits will be filed like this against drug companies, hospitals, et al for jab related injuries. America has been fundamentally transformed, as the Lightbringer warned. We are hanging on to the last shreds of civil government. If the gangster government is willing to kill and maim its own citizens like this, they will do far worse to keep power. Lawsuits? Maybe in some post civil war tribunal to settle claims. Short of that, we aren't getting justice from a tort lawyer.
Don't hold your breath. It's possible, but first we'd have to prove fraud to pierce the liability shield. Comirnaty is a fake-out, it's not available anywhere in the US. Meanwhile, we're about due for some serious financial upset.
The article quotes the president of a state hospital assoc.
and of course their classed as non-Covid.