And per this Tucker episode, the USS Liberty was told to be at a certain location before the attack. And President Johnson delayed a response. The hypothesis being this was a deliberate false flag by the cia and Israel to get the U.S. to attack Egypt.
So far, it appears to me that most of the "revelations"--that Angleton was an Israeli spy who probably helped Israel get the bomb, etc.--are old news for folks who follow these matters. What's new is that the Deep State tried to prevent these revelations from ever occurring in the specific context of the JFK docs. Note, too, that the FBI largely seems to have done its job, while the CIA was running wild and crazy.
I didn't have the heart to watch that, because I've seen other statements. It is an outrage, especially when you consider the Nazi tactics that have been used--targeting universities and hospitals and educated persons in Gaza.
The most senior elected Democrat in the US Congress believes the underlying cause of violence in Israel & Palestine is that the Palestinians don’t believe in the Torah. You cannot make this shit up.
I knew this is the way some people think but mostly uneducated or racists. That Steve Witkoff stated it - and as Steve Witkof is leading the Trump Administration ' in this area ' it should possibly be directly attributed to the Trump administration
Imagine the outgage if this was said about Africans, India, Haitians, Russians, Ukrainians, or any other country, race or ethnic group
@42:20
"You want better for your kids, I want better for my kids. I want them to have, to go and get an education, to be self-sufficient.
I don't think Gazan people have ever really feel that way about, we have, feel that way."
I am still shocked that this was thought, much less said, much less stated as the American Position.
We all know who of course, they are the Red Signs. With over 1000 Trillion dollars stuffed away and with over 200 years of controlling the west, the Rothenchilds always get what they want.
They've brought us two world wars and created every other conflict we know about, they'll bring world war 3, the total war kind, very soon.
A brilliant discussion by the two A’s. Mercouris puts the puzzle pieces together nicely - from Corbyn’s demise to reversing Brexit to Russia hoax on steroids - and Starmer, with his Gaullic side-kick are the poster boys of chaos. Instead of a mere dumpster fire, we get Heathrow ablaze! I think the sooner Trump cuts Ukraine off - part of foreign policy Doge, the better. He could appropriate Nuland’s “F— the EU!” on his way out.
I asked GROK about Trump and Israel FINANCIAL strictly financial benefit over time 10 year scale, in a completed
Ceasefire Now and Maintained verse Completing the Ethnic Cleansing in Gaza/Palestine within 2 years
=================================
" Trump and Israel’s Incentive
Economic Logic: Completing ethnic cleansing in 2 years leverages U.S. aid ($20–$30 billion, 2025–2027) to absorb $150–$225 billion costs, unlocking $227–$306 billion by 2035—a $2–$3 return per dollar spent. Gas and tourism alone justify it financially, with GDP growth outpacing ceasefire’s modest recovery.
Strategic Vision: Trump’s “Riviera” and Israel’s expansion align with a $50–$100 billion economic uplift, dwarfing ceasefire’s $20–$30 billion long-term security costs. If investment holds, as it has, the U.S. and Israel could see this as a bet on future dominance over uncertainty. "
I learned accounting many years ago, when a ledger had TWO columns.
The above spread sheet does not account for some form of disposition of Palestinians, whether their transit & settlement in Africa or Sinai in all those lovely places Trump trumpets; or the payoffs for wrongful death lawsuits that, if there is a just god, will plague Israel.
BUT there is a way that Israel AND the Palestinians can reap all those rewards: Share the resources and the development with their rightful owners.
A bust of Moses holds a favored place among the 23 lawmakers in US Capitol. His contribution being the Ten Commandments, said to one of the essential pillars of civilization.
Should Trump and Bibi achieve their goal in Gaza, the bust of Moses should be replaced by one of Amalek.
Netanyahoo is on the clock and desperately trying to implement the Greater Israel Project as fast as possible. His biggest obstacle is Iran because they now possess enough enriched uranium to build several nukes relatively quickly if Israel goes full retard. Trump has been dispatched to force Iran to relinquish the nuke material, which they won't do. And nobody really knows where they are keeping this stuff, so targeted bombing is no guarantee of success. A real conundrum. Trump has no choice but to make it look like he is trying really hard, but as in Ukraine, he has no cards to play except the Crazy Eddy Gambit. So he will keep dancing, dancing, dancing the night away. This would be hilarious if not for the risk of starting WW3.
I intended sarcasm with the word hilarious (laugh rather than cry) and used it because there is no logic or morality in world affairs anymore. Whether it's the war dead in Ukraine, the genocide in Gaza, the slaughter in Yemen, or the fervor for more killing in Iran; our leaders seem to possess no conscience or inhibition when it comes to sacrificing the lives of innocents. We were promised peace, and yet we get more death from chasing ghosts of enemies of our own creation.
I think what happened was, Trump realized, the devastion to Isreal is such that there are two alternatives
1. Ceasefire: By Biden getting into the Genocide so deeply, Isreali economy has been crushed. Limited tourism, limited foreign investment, limited economy, such that with a ceasefire, Israel is now a liability to the US for a minimum of 20 Billion a year, with possible need for as much as 50 Billion to ' kick start ' the economy and rebuild - but at the same time a minimum of 10 - 20 Billion a year to support for at least the next 10 years if not 30 or indefinately into the future.
This will all be on the US to carry the weight.
A good portion of the youth in the US, as they age, will not support this 10 years from now.
In short: Israel in the condition it is in right now, is not able to function with a ceasefire, there is no tourism, no economy, no foreign investment, they are broke and fully reliant on US.
And that is not just weapons, but money for food, housing, government, necessities - they are not able to live the lifestyle the used to if they stop now.
2. Complete the Genocide and Ethnic Cleansing: With an upfront investment, Israel will be able to develop Gaza, Palestine, and equally important Not Only become energy self-reliant, but they would be able to produce excess natural gas they can sell, some have valued that at 5 Billion revenue a year for the exporting of LNG alone.
This would be shared investment by UAE and others,
This would permit Isreal ( they plan ) to be self reliant in 10 years in the case the US demographic change no longer supports Israel.
So the way Trump now sees it, is that the Genocide Must Be Continued and the Ethnic Cleansing Must Happen, and it must happen now. For the US and Israel there is no choice.
So Trump and Israel are ready willing and able to murder 1.5 million people, and if they start by starving and murdering a few 100,000 they hope the rest , at some point, will give up and move before they have to murder or cleanse another few 100,000.
see Tristam comment above: there are other options.
ZIONISM is the ideological roadblock; rather, cancer, in the way of ALL parties sharing the resources, as well as contributing cultural inputs as well as economic and cultural outputs.
Isn't there someplace in OT that says, "Justice, justice you shall pursue."
In the end, justice is not only the better way, it is the ineluctable way.
This would permit Isreal ( they plan ) to be self reliant in 10 years in the case the US demographic change no longer supports Israel.
- if you want to know why they are shutting down free speech at college campuses, this is why. They have an absolute fear and know with high certainty, that the youth will not support this Genocide.
1. We in Iran do not respond to threats. Play your games someplace else.
2. We in Iran have lived peacefully with Jews for a few thousand years; Many Jews still do. Perhaps we Iranians could give you some advice on how to get along better, Jews with Muslims, with Arabs, with Christians.
The domestic agenda is far too important to be wasting political capital on these foreign entanglements, and this may be the last chance to reclaim the country from the corruption and destruction of the globalists.
Don't Russia and Iran have a mutual defense treaty of some kind? Not only that:
I think that Trump is doing one of his magic tricks. He also knows all too well that the US-backed Saudis could not defeat the Houthis. And I am sure saw how Iran was a cat's paw on the mouse of Israel, with missiles, when Israel was getting too uppity.
Interesting coincidence:
- Angleton CIA per the latest Kennedy release had a relationship with Mossad, off the books.
https://celiafarber.substack.com/p/jfk-files-include-rather-shocking?
And per this Tucker episode, the USS Liberty was told to be at a certain location before the attack. And President Johnson delayed a response. The hypothesis being this was a deliberate false flag by the cia and Israel to get the U.S. to attack Egypt.
https://youtu.be/N2tzUhrW8e0?si=Ki6uYvZCw_cpaeDB
And the latest Kennedy drops included false flags pitched by the cia using dead Americans.
So far, it appears to me that most of the "revelations"--that Angleton was an Israeli spy who probably helped Israel get the bomb, etc.--are old news for folks who follow these matters. What's new is that the Deep State tried to prevent these revelations from ever occurring in the specific context of the JFK docs. Note, too, that the FBI largely seems to have done its job, while the CIA was running wild and crazy.
Tucker Carlson Interview:
Steve Witkoff appears to express the Trump Administration thinking - Or is this Witkoff's alone
Are these shocking and outrageous statements or thoughts, viewed by some to Justify a removal, cleansing or genocide ?
@ 41:39
" We're going to need stability on Gaza, Stability on Gaza could mean Some People Come Back, it could mean Some People Don't Come Back "
@42:20
"You want better for your kids, I want better for my kids. I want them to have, to go and get an education, to be self-sufficient.
I don't think Gazan people have ever really feel that way about, we have, feel that way."
https://x.com/TuckerCarlson/status/1903207340696014945
I didn't have the heart to watch that, because I've seen other statements. It is an outrage, especially when you consider the Nazi tactics that have been used--targeting universities and hospitals and educated persons in Gaza.
Zachary Foster @_ZachFoster
The most senior elected Democrat in the US Congress believes the underlying cause of violence in Israel & Palestine is that the Palestinians don’t believe in the Torah. You cannot make this shit up.
https://x.com/i/status/1903448675914748013
I knew this is the way some people think but mostly uneducated or racists. That Steve Witkoff stated it - and as Steve Witkof is leading the Trump Administration ' in this area ' it should possibly be directly attributed to the Trump administration
Imagine the outgage if this was said about Africans, India, Haitians, Russians, Ukrainians, or any other country, race or ethnic group
@42:20
"You want better for your kids, I want better for my kids. I want them to have, to go and get an education, to be self-sufficient.
I don't think Gazan people have ever really feel that way about, we have, feel that way."
I am still shocked that this was thought, much less said, much less stated as the American Position.
Shameful.
Please see this on the Alex Christoforou quote.
https://montanarcc.substack.com/p/starmer-is-there-to-to-crush-america
Seems reasonable to me.
We all know who of course, they are the Red Signs. With over 1000 Trillion dollars stuffed away and with over 200 years of controlling the west, the Rothenchilds always get what they want.
They've brought us two world wars and created every other conflict we know about, they'll bring world war 3, the total war kind, very soon.
A brilliant discussion by the two A’s. Mercouris puts the puzzle pieces together nicely - from Corbyn’s demise to reversing Brexit to Russia hoax on steroids - and Starmer, with his Gaullic side-kick are the poster boys of chaos. Instead of a mere dumpster fire, we get Heathrow ablaze! I think the sooner Trump cuts Ukraine off - part of foreign policy Doge, the better. He could appropriate Nuland’s “F— the EU!” on his way out.
I asked GROK about Trump and Israel FINANCIAL strictly financial benefit over time 10 year scale, in a completed
Ceasefire Now and Maintained verse Completing the Ethnic Cleansing in Gaza/Palestine within 2 years
=================================
" Trump and Israel’s Incentive
Economic Logic: Completing ethnic cleansing in 2 years leverages U.S. aid ($20–$30 billion, 2025–2027) to absorb $150–$225 billion costs, unlocking $227–$306 billion by 2035—a $2–$3 return per dollar spent. Gas and tourism alone justify it financially, with GDP growth outpacing ceasefire’s modest recovery.
Strategic Vision: Trump’s “Riviera” and Israel’s expansion align with a $50–$100 billion economic uplift, dwarfing ceasefire’s $20–$30 billion long-term security costs. If investment holds, as it has, the U.S. and Israel could see this as a bet on future dominance over uncertainty. "
So I am afraid Trump may have run similar figures
I learned accounting many years ago, when a ledger had TWO columns.
The above spread sheet does not account for some form of disposition of Palestinians, whether their transit & settlement in Africa or Sinai in all those lovely places Trump trumpets; or the payoffs for wrongful death lawsuits that, if there is a just god, will plague Israel.
BUT there is a way that Israel AND the Palestinians can reap all those rewards: Share the resources and the development with their rightful owners.
A bust of Moses holds a favored place among the 23 lawmakers in US Capitol. His contribution being the Ten Commandments, said to one of the essential pillars of civilization.
Should Trump and Bibi achieve their goal in Gaza, the bust of Moses should be replaced by one of Amalek.
Surprised Iran or Russia hasn’t ‘donated’ ship killers to Yemen.
Netanyahoo is on the clock and desperately trying to implement the Greater Israel Project as fast as possible. His biggest obstacle is Iran because they now possess enough enriched uranium to build several nukes relatively quickly if Israel goes full retard. Trump has been dispatched to force Iran to relinquish the nuke material, which they won't do. And nobody really knows where they are keeping this stuff, so targeted bombing is no guarantee of success. A real conundrum. Trump has no choice but to make it look like he is trying really hard, but as in Ukraine, he has no cards to play except the Crazy Eddy Gambit. So he will keep dancing, dancing, dancing the night away. This would be hilarious if not for the risk of starting WW3.
Why would it be hilarious? (I'm curious, not being disrespectful.)
I intended sarcasm with the word hilarious (laugh rather than cry) and used it because there is no logic or morality in world affairs anymore. Whether it's the war dead in Ukraine, the genocide in Gaza, the slaughter in Yemen, or the fervor for more killing in Iran; our leaders seem to possess no conscience or inhibition when it comes to sacrificing the lives of innocents. We were promised peace, and yet we get more death from chasing ghosts of enemies of our own creation.
I think what happened was, Trump realized, the devastion to Isreal is such that there are two alternatives
1. Ceasefire: By Biden getting into the Genocide so deeply, Isreali economy has been crushed. Limited tourism, limited foreign investment, limited economy, such that with a ceasefire, Israel is now a liability to the US for a minimum of 20 Billion a year, with possible need for as much as 50 Billion to ' kick start ' the economy and rebuild - but at the same time a minimum of 10 - 20 Billion a year to support for at least the next 10 years if not 30 or indefinately into the future.
This will all be on the US to carry the weight.
A good portion of the youth in the US, as they age, will not support this 10 years from now.
In short: Israel in the condition it is in right now, is not able to function with a ceasefire, there is no tourism, no economy, no foreign investment, they are broke and fully reliant on US.
And that is not just weapons, but money for food, housing, government, necessities - they are not able to live the lifestyle the used to if they stop now.
2. Complete the Genocide and Ethnic Cleansing: With an upfront investment, Israel will be able to develop Gaza, Palestine, and equally important Not Only become energy self-reliant, but they would be able to produce excess natural gas they can sell, some have valued that at 5 Billion revenue a year for the exporting of LNG alone.
This would be shared investment by UAE and others,
This would permit Isreal ( they plan ) to be self reliant in 10 years in the case the US demographic change no longer supports Israel.
So the way Trump now sees it, is that the Genocide Must Be Continued and the Ethnic Cleansing Must Happen, and it must happen now. For the US and Israel there is no choice.
So Trump and Israel are ready willing and able to murder 1.5 million people, and if they start by starving and murdering a few 100,000 they hope the rest , at some point, will give up and move before they have to murder or cleanse another few 100,000.
.
see Tristam comment above: there are other options.
ZIONISM is the ideological roadblock; rather, cancer, in the way of ALL parties sharing the resources, as well as contributing cultural inputs as well as economic and cultural outputs.
Isn't there someplace in OT that says, "Justice, justice you shall pursue."
In the end, justice is not only the better way, it is the ineluctable way.
This would permit Isreal ( they plan ) to be self reliant in 10 years in the case the US demographic change no longer supports Israel.
- if you want to know why they are shutting down free speech at college campuses, this is why. They have an absolute fear and know with high certainty, that the youth will not support this Genocide.
Very good point
Like I say, the British Empire aims to destroy the US.
If I were Khamenei I would respond to Trump:
1. We in Iran do not respond to threats. Play your games someplace else.
2. We in Iran have lived peacefully with Jews for a few thousand years; Many Jews still do. Perhaps we Iranians could give you some advice on how to get along better, Jews with Muslims, with Arabs, with Christians.
The domestic agenda is far too important to be wasting political capital on these foreign entanglements, and this may be the last chance to reclaim the country from the corruption and destruction of the globalists.
Exactly. However, I don think the Adelsons care much about the domestic agenda.
One word sums up my thoughts . . . NUTS !!!
Israeli politics that is driving Netanyahu’s decisions to go back to war:
https://celiafarber.substack.com/p/haaretz-editorial-netanyahus-ministers?
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/israel-turmoil-after-netanyahu-sacks-security-chief-historic-first
Don't Russia and Iran have a mutual defense treaty of some kind? Not only that:
I think that Trump is doing one of his magic tricks. He also knows all too well that the US-backed Saudis could not defeat the Houthis. And I am sure saw how Iran was a cat's paw on the mouse of Israel, with missiles, when Israel was getting too uppity.
Very useful conversation among Nima Alkhorshid, John Helmer and Ray McGovern
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0IIJmULuh8&t=4s
@45 min, Nima played clips from 2018 to 2025: Tulsi Gabbard's changing statements about Yemen.