My expectations for Durham are more bombshells will come out in the last trial. I hope Durham uses the trial to expose all the stuff that has been hinted at (congressionbsl gang of 8, us and foreign Intel agency involvement, etc).
I expect zero convictions, unfortunately. Barr has done an incredible job of protecting government employees.
Did anyone else find it odd that the Steele Dossier name checked Lyndon Larouche, the most prolific, crazy, and let’s face it entertaining conspiracy theorist of the post-war English speaking world? One of the Twitter sleuths that uncovered Danchenko’s identity helped shed light onto that question.
While at Brookings, Danchenko acted as a research assistant for Fiona Hill and Cliff Gaddy, co-authors of the book, “Operative of the Kremlin,” about Vlad Putin. Gaddy was also apparently Danchenko’s Ph.D advisor. According to a 2018 book by BBC journalist Matthew Sweet, “Operation Chaos,” Cliff Gaddy was a military intelligence officer working for the Army component of the NSA in 1968 when he, depending on which theory you believe, deserted his post to join radical anti-war deserters in Stockholm, or was recruited by the CIA program MHCHAOS to infiltrate overseas radical deserters groups.
Regardless of which was true, by 1974 when the war was over, Gaddy joined the European wing of LaRouche’s Labor Committees, taking leadership of the Stockholm branch until he left Sweden in 1986. At the same time, he spent the 1980’s traveling Europe peddling a LaRouche book about the Soviet plan for impending WWIII by 1988, which would be fueled by the obvious cover of perestroika for a massive rearmament program and the development of wonder weapons which could only be described as “some sort of death Ray.”
Now read some back issues of LaRouche’s Executive Intelligence Review. Specifically the Elephants and Donkeys columns for 24 July and 18 September 1987. They both claim that Donald Trumps trip to the Soviet Union was to obtain the KGB’s blessing for a presidential run to succeed Ronald Reagan in 1988, and that the KGB was grooming Trump. Compare these claims to the claims found in the Steele Dossier regarding the Russians nurturing a relationship with Trump for over 5 years.
Danchenko literally took old conspiracy theories from the publication of his Ph.D advisor cum supervisor at Brookings and cut and pasted dates to update them from 1987 to 2016, and voila, Steele Dossier.
Fiona Hill was never asked about her coauthor or research assistant during the first impeachment when she had the opportunity at the beginning of her testimony to establish why she’s such an important person. The back page of the 2nd edition of her book “Mr. Putin, Operative of the Kremlin,” coauthored with Clifford Gaddy, (Danchenko as a research assistant in the acknowledgements) has a blurb attributed to then VP Biden saying it’s one of the few books he reads when he gets time.
How much of our foreign policy establishment is making decisions based off analyses published by baby boomers that spent the 70’s and 80’s working for weird cults, nut jobs, and conspiracy rags? This is just one we know about because his bizarre story caught the eye of a BBC journalist who was writing a book on an entirely different topic. But think about the average Clinton Democrat power broker and the weird crap they were doing when they were in their 20’s and 30’s. They’re the decision makers now, and they control the “mainstream” press and intelligence community and legal professions—they have the power to tell us that their weird beliefs are officially true, that 2+2=5.
Robert Barnes called it like this a long time ago as well. As evidence. he cited Durham's history in these sort of matters. Durham will toss up small fry but protect the big guys.
In fairness, Durham was probably told exactly how high up the tree that he was allowed to pick apples. Arkancide is real, ubiquitous and follows no rules.
We don't know that Durham is NOT going after those in the FBI responsible for this scandal; we only know there's no public indication he is doing so. If he's working on a conspiracy case, the SOL has a ways to go before it runs out, is it does start until the LAST overt act in support occurred.
I'm still hopeful, in part based on him asking this question on the opening day of the Danchenko trial. The fact he has over 30 witnesses lined up for this trial also suggests more revelations will be forthcoming during the trial.
I'd bet, despite not asking the question, that Durham knows the answer to who authorized the Million dollar offer to Steele. (I assume he can't ask that at trial because it isn't relevant to establishing the materiality of Danchenko's lies.)
Hans Mahncke quotes Larry Beech on another intriguing insight:
>>> Hans Mahncke
@HansMahncke
@Larry_Beech
makes a great point:
If FBI offered $million to Steele to corroborate, how much did Steele offer Danchenko to corroborate?
Ergo, Steele knew the crap in his memos to FGPS were so much Hillary Campaign Fantasy Smear codswallop, and his motive was to do as much damage to the Trump Campaign/Presidency as possible. It wasn't about cash.
Think: "conspiracy to commit ...." either an illegal act or a legal one by illegal means.
Hillary's campaign becomes a co-conspirator in the conspiracy by committing the overt act of financing the conspiracy via Perkins Coie, which hired Fusion GPS, which hired Steele, who hired Danchenko, and who conspired to fabricate false allegations made to the FBI, causing like minded FBI HQ types to use the false allegations as justification to gen-up an investigation of a Presidential campaign, and later a president, based on a tissue of lies, deceptions, mendacities, and made up twaddle.
If they had only fed their lies to the MSM, it likely would not have been a crime. But they didn't stop there; they couldn't resist unleashing the power of the Omnipotent state on Trump with their pack of lies, by spoon feeding it to the FBI, run by goons in thrall to the Clintons.
I had high hopes for Durham, but I had high hopes for Bill Barr, too. I’m so sick and disgusted with all of the posturing, pretending and prevaricating from people in Washington who are supposed to be the “real deal”. They are all as phony as a three dollar bill and as useless as tits on a boar hog.
ShipWreckedCrew put out a theory yesterday that I’ve subscribed to since at least Garland was sworn in as AG that Durham has been ordered not to indict any FBI or DOJ officials, and so he has produced speaking indictments of but players outlining broad conspiracies and introduced far more evidence at trial than was necessary to convict them of the narrow false statements charges with which he charged them (Sussmann and Danchenko).
The idea is that information is now in the court record that would otherwise get buried if and when Garland slaps a top secret classification on Durham’s final report to the AG, and publishes only a brief summary. It’s not accountability by any stretch of the imagination, but it is nice to know some of these things.
Would we have heard of Rodney Joffe otherwise? Been aware there were multiple conspiracies by senior tech advisors to the government and Clinton campaign to fabricate computer data trying to show a Trump-Russia connection at the same time some of those same conspirators, or their buddies/former coworkers were being tasked to establish that the DNC was even hacked in the first place? That the pee tape story was literally made up by one of Bill Clinton’s old drinking buddies, and the FBI knew that well before Mueller was appointed special counsel? I’m not apologizing for Durham; just preparing to be disappointed and finding a silver lining. So many people I thought were intelligent free thinkers fell for this “Russia hacked our election,” and call me the conspiracy theorist for demanding evidence, and the only way they ever might have been deprogrammed is if someone went to jail for fabricating the DNC hack. That won’t happen, but at least theres more than enough evidence in the court record to prove that we were right to be skeptical.
The talking point against that talking point is that such a scenario enables gaslighting the public--Oh, Durham investigated for years, appointed under the Trump admin, only found nickel dime wrongdoing. Russia Hoax big deal? Give it up! Total lack of integrity to agree to conduct a rigged investigation. If that happened, he should have resigned and said why.
Yeah, I'm probably closer to your view than the "at least they put a lot of stuff out in the court record that would be classified forever," view that I summarized in my comment. Reminds me of the 9/11 Commission when 2-3 of the commissioners resigned in protest that the FBI and CIA were withholding information from them. At the time, I thought to myself, what could be so bad that the FBI and CIA would cover it up to the extent of withholding it from 9/11 Commission members? Then Trump declassified documents showing at least 2-3 of the hijackers were seen plotting with known Saudi intelligence agents in the weeks leading up to the attacks, and the FBI and CIA did nothing to try to locate or capture said agents. The 9/11 Commissioners that resigned would have otherwise been complicit in covering up that information for almost 20 years, while their colleagues that remained allowed the government to claim that they had given the American people the definitive explanation of everything that had happened to cause the 9/11 attacks. I'm glad to have the information Durham has produced, but he almost certainly wasn't allowed to reveal the real bombshells that will remain concealed for decades to come, and is like those 9/11 commissioners, complicit in its coverup. I'm just trying hard not to be too let down by the Durham denouement.
If you’ll indulge me in commiserating though I lack your wisdom—I’m of a later generation than you, and was an Army Officer rather than an FBI Counterintelligence Agent. But I imagine I can understand your frustration and disappointment with the Russia Hoax.
It’s like Afghanistan—the institutions you put your faith in as a young man weren’t supposed to be able to f’ up this bad—we were the good guys. And once it became clear that they did, they should be made to face a reckoning. That’s for me always going to be the rub—no one who was in charge will ever say they did something wrong, and no one will force them to acknowledge they did something wrong. Accountability brazenly and obviously doesn’t exist anymore in our system, and it makes you wonder the extent to which it did in the past.
Good news is this came out.
And it’s due to Durham:
https://justthenews.com/government/courts-law/jurors-sworn-denchenko-trial-open-argument-set-begin
My expectations for Durham are more bombshells will come out in the last trial. I hope Durham uses the trial to expose all the stuff that has been hinted at (congressionbsl gang of 8, us and foreign Intel agency involvement, etc).
I expect zero convictions, unfortunately. Barr has done an incredible job of protecting government employees.
Did anyone else find it odd that the Steele Dossier name checked Lyndon Larouche, the most prolific, crazy, and let’s face it entertaining conspiracy theorist of the post-war English speaking world? One of the Twitter sleuths that uncovered Danchenko’s identity helped shed light onto that question.
While at Brookings, Danchenko acted as a research assistant for Fiona Hill and Cliff Gaddy, co-authors of the book, “Operative of the Kremlin,” about Vlad Putin. Gaddy was also apparently Danchenko’s Ph.D advisor. According to a 2018 book by BBC journalist Matthew Sweet, “Operation Chaos,” Cliff Gaddy was a military intelligence officer working for the Army component of the NSA in 1968 when he, depending on which theory you believe, deserted his post to join radical anti-war deserters in Stockholm, or was recruited by the CIA program MHCHAOS to infiltrate overseas radical deserters groups.
Regardless of which was true, by 1974 when the war was over, Gaddy joined the European wing of LaRouche’s Labor Committees, taking leadership of the Stockholm branch until he left Sweden in 1986. At the same time, he spent the 1980’s traveling Europe peddling a LaRouche book about the Soviet plan for impending WWIII by 1988, which would be fueled by the obvious cover of perestroika for a massive rearmament program and the development of wonder weapons which could only be described as “some sort of death Ray.”
Now read some back issues of LaRouche’s Executive Intelligence Review. Specifically the Elephants and Donkeys columns for 24 July and 18 September 1987. They both claim that Donald Trumps trip to the Soviet Union was to obtain the KGB’s blessing for a presidential run to succeed Ronald Reagan in 1988, and that the KGB was grooming Trump. Compare these claims to the claims found in the Steele Dossier regarding the Russians nurturing a relationship with Trump for over 5 years.
Danchenko literally took old conspiracy theories from the publication of his Ph.D advisor cum supervisor at Brookings and cut and pasted dates to update them from 1987 to 2016, and voila, Steele Dossier.
This story keeps becoming more bizarre. Anyone connected to Lyndon Larouche is generally laughed at. Very interesting. Thank you.
“Space Aliens! Nude Conspiracies! Lyndon LaRouche was right!” -Homer Simpson, The Simpsons Treehouse of Horror VII
Fiona Hill was never asked about her coauthor or research assistant during the first impeachment when she had the opportunity at the beginning of her testimony to establish why she’s such an important person. The back page of the 2nd edition of her book “Mr. Putin, Operative of the Kremlin,” coauthored with Clifford Gaddy, (Danchenko as a research assistant in the acknowledgements) has a blurb attributed to then VP Biden saying it’s one of the few books he reads when he gets time.
How much of our foreign policy establishment is making decisions based off analyses published by baby boomers that spent the 70’s and 80’s working for weird cults, nut jobs, and conspiracy rags? This is just one we know about because his bizarre story caught the eye of a BBC journalist who was writing a book on an entirely different topic. But think about the average Clinton Democrat power broker and the weird crap they were doing when they were in their 20’s and 30’s. They’re the decision makers now, and they control the “mainstream” press and intelligence community and legal professions—they have the power to tell us that their weird beliefs are officially true, that 2+2=5.
And Sundance said so from the beginning, that Durham and Barr would never prosecute the guilty members of the FBI, DOJ, Clinton campaign, CIA, etc.
Robert Barnes called it like this a long time ago as well. As evidence. he cited Durham's history in these sort of matters. Durham will toss up small fry but protect the big guys.
Sean Davis of the Federalist Society also was highly skeptical of Durham doing anything besides keeping the “ongoing investigation” intact.
I was wrong about that.
We'll get that name right after we get Maxwell's client list. Smoke and mirrors.
In fairness, Durham was probably told exactly how high up the tree that he was allowed to pick apples. Arkancide is real, ubiquitous and follows no rules.
We don't know that Durham is NOT going after those in the FBI responsible for this scandal; we only know there's no public indication he is doing so. If he's working on a conspiracy case, the SOL has a ways to go before it runs out, is it does start until the LAST overt act in support occurred.
I'm still hopeful, in part based on him asking this question on the opening day of the Danchenko trial. The fact he has over 30 witnesses lined up for this trial also suggests more revelations will be forthcoming during the trial.
I'd bet, despite not asking the question, that Durham knows the answer to who authorized the Million dollar offer to Steele. (I assume he can't ask that at trial because it isn't relevant to establishing the materiality of Danchenko's lies.)
Hans Mahncke quotes Larry Beech on another intriguing insight:
>>> Hans Mahncke
@HansMahncke
@Larry_Beech
makes a great point:
If FBI offered $million to Steele to corroborate, how much did Steele offer Danchenko to corroborate?
This is another dog that didn't bark.
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Ergo, Steele knew the crap in his memos to FGPS were so much Hillary Campaign Fantasy Smear codswallop, and his motive was to do as much damage to the Trump Campaign/Presidency as possible. It wasn't about cash.
Yup; pretty much the conclusion I arrived at as well.
Think: "conspiracy to commit ...." either an illegal act or a legal one by illegal means.
Hillary's campaign becomes a co-conspirator in the conspiracy by committing the overt act of financing the conspiracy via Perkins Coie, which hired Fusion GPS, which hired Steele, who hired Danchenko, and who conspired to fabricate false allegations made to the FBI, causing like minded FBI HQ types to use the false allegations as justification to gen-up an investigation of a Presidential campaign, and later a president, based on a tissue of lies, deceptions, mendacities, and made up twaddle.
If they had only fed their lies to the MSM, it likely would not have been a crime. But they didn't stop there; they couldn't resist unleashing the power of the Omnipotent state on Trump with their pack of lies, by spoon feeding it to the FBI, run by goons in thrall to the Clintons.
Not surprised by Durham. I realized a long time ago that the reason for most investigations in DC is to find evidence and bury it.
I had high hopes for Durham, but I had high hopes for Bill Barr, too. I’m so sick and disgusted with all of the posturing, pretending and prevaricating from people in Washington who are supposed to be the “real deal”. They are all as phony as a three dollar bill and as useless as tits on a boar hog.
Sorry, pretty bummed today.
When I read this first on RedState, I was saying names. We want names. Another arrow in Trump's quiver to neuter this manifestly corrupt agency.
What if Trump had stood with Flynn, and not allowed Pence to politically assassinate him.
I may have got one detail wrong. It seems Steele was OFFERED that money, but was unable to collect? Doesn't matter.
Either way the whole situation reeks. Like Surber I am a "no celebration without incarceration" kind of guy.
ShipWreckedCrew put out a theory yesterday that I’ve subscribed to since at least Garland was sworn in as AG that Durham has been ordered not to indict any FBI or DOJ officials, and so he has produced speaking indictments of but players outlining broad conspiracies and introduced far more evidence at trial than was necessary to convict them of the narrow false statements charges with which he charged them (Sussmann and Danchenko).
The idea is that information is now in the court record that would otherwise get buried if and when Garland slaps a top secret classification on Durham’s final report to the AG, and publishes only a brief summary. It’s not accountability by any stretch of the imagination, but it is nice to know some of these things.
Would we have heard of Rodney Joffe otherwise? Been aware there were multiple conspiracies by senior tech advisors to the government and Clinton campaign to fabricate computer data trying to show a Trump-Russia connection at the same time some of those same conspirators, or their buddies/former coworkers were being tasked to establish that the DNC was even hacked in the first place? That the pee tape story was literally made up by one of Bill Clinton’s old drinking buddies, and the FBI knew that well before Mueller was appointed special counsel? I’m not apologizing for Durham; just preparing to be disappointed and finding a silver lining. So many people I thought were intelligent free thinkers fell for this “Russia hacked our election,” and call me the conspiracy theorist for demanding evidence, and the only way they ever might have been deprogrammed is if someone went to jail for fabricating the DNC hack. That won’t happen, but at least theres more than enough evidence in the court record to prove that we were right to be skeptical.
The talking point against that talking point is that such a scenario enables gaslighting the public--Oh, Durham investigated for years, appointed under the Trump admin, only found nickel dime wrongdoing. Russia Hoax big deal? Give it up! Total lack of integrity to agree to conduct a rigged investigation. If that happened, he should have resigned and said why.
Yeah, I'm probably closer to your view than the "at least they put a lot of stuff out in the court record that would be classified forever," view that I summarized in my comment. Reminds me of the 9/11 Commission when 2-3 of the commissioners resigned in protest that the FBI and CIA were withholding information from them. At the time, I thought to myself, what could be so bad that the FBI and CIA would cover it up to the extent of withholding it from 9/11 Commission members? Then Trump declassified documents showing at least 2-3 of the hijackers were seen plotting with known Saudi intelligence agents in the weeks leading up to the attacks, and the FBI and CIA did nothing to try to locate or capture said agents. The 9/11 Commissioners that resigned would have otherwise been complicit in covering up that information for almost 20 years, while their colleagues that remained allowed the government to claim that they had given the American people the definitive explanation of everything that had happened to cause the 9/11 attacks. I'm glad to have the information Durham has produced, but he almost certainly wasn't allowed to reveal the real bombshells that will remain concealed for decades to come, and is like those 9/11 commissioners, complicit in its coverup. I'm just trying hard not to be too let down by the Durham denouement.
I understand. I had a lot invested in Barr/Durham.
If you’ll indulge me in commiserating though I lack your wisdom—I’m of a later generation than you, and was an Army Officer rather than an FBI Counterintelligence Agent. But I imagine I can understand your frustration and disappointment with the Russia Hoax.
It’s like Afghanistan—the institutions you put your faith in as a young man weren’t supposed to be able to f’ up this bad—we were the good guys. And once it became clear that they did, they should be made to face a reckoning. That’s for me always going to be the rub—no one who was in charge will ever say they did something wrong, and no one will force them to acknowledge they did something wrong. Accountability brazenly and obviously doesn’t exist anymore in our system, and it makes you wonder the extent to which it did in the past.
“…Trump’s attempt to steal the 2020 election…”
Except that Biden beat him to it.
“Trump had the right idea—just make up oppo research and save millions of dollars.”
What the hell are you talking about?