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Tristam's avatar

Ritter said "detox Israel" from USA (did he really say "Detach?")

But Larry Johnson said: "Netanyahu is saying we're going to have to **prepare** for living without US security assistance."

"Prepare" caused a reflexive grab for my wallet.

What is the Israel lobby going to demand of US taxpayers in order to stock up their weapons larder, against the day when USA no longer makes weekly deliveries?

How secure are Lockheed's and Raytheon's advanced weapons blueprints, and inventories unique spare parts?

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dissonant1's avatar

"Netanyahu’s genocidal policies retain the support of the great majority of Israelis."

https://theconversation.com/most-israelis-dislike-netanyahu-but-support-the-war-in-gaza-an-israeli-scholar-explains-whats-driving-public-opinion-230046

This was a year ago and I am not saying the results would not still hold (I don't know). But it would certainly be interesting and informative to see what the results would be now.

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Its Just Me's avatar

The Illusion of American Generosity.

https://www.theamericanconservative.com/the-illusion-of-american-generosity/

From the American Conservative.

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dissonant1's avatar

Spot on and an excellent essay. Thanks!

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Joe's avatar

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No one is taking Trump's word not just because it's Trump - But because of the AIPAC hold on Congress Senate and elections and election of the Next President.

RE: RITTER Reportedly Putin """ 'Look, I'm helping you win this Iran thing. Now I'm in Teheran. If you can get Zelensky to cave on Russian territorial demands, and you get Zelensky there, ready to sign a document, and you're there, Mr President, and you're going to be there as the guarantor of this,' """

I find this extremely doubtful - not only does Putin have the upper hand in Ukraine, but that would effectively be throwing Iran under the bus - and have an incredible impact on BRICS - all with a US President that seems to change his mind/tune repeatedly. Maybe Iran would dismantle it's nuclear but I find that extremely doubtful.

I think Ritter way way off the mark -- """ Mr President, and you're going to be there as the guarantor of this """ way way off the mark

No way -

This would have to be approved by Congress and Senate an Official Treaty - to have Any Worth At All - eg: previous promises Nato would not expand. No one is taking Trump's word not just because it's Trump

But because of the AIPAC hold on Congress and elections and election of the Next President.

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Joe's avatar

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Congress aint gonna sign that treaty - they know who butters their bread

This would have to be approved by Congress and Senate an Official Treaty - to have Any Worth At All - eg: previous promises Nato would not expand. No one is taking Trump's word not just because it's Trump

But because of the AIPAC hold on Congress and elections and election of the Next President.

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dissonant1's avatar

Scott Ritter providing lots of catnip for us geopolitical "pro peace" cats. I wonder who his sources are. You know what? I would be more than happy to see Trump take credit for a Russian-Ukrainian peace if it means that Russia gets what it wants out of the deal. Because what Russia wants is the only thing that will promote long-term peace in the region and prevent more needless and tragic deaths and destruction. And oddly enough Trump is the only one in position to support what Russia wants when it comes to Europe. Thank you Vladimir and thank you Iran.

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Joe's avatar

Someone recently brought it up - I forget who - maybe Larry Johnson

I thought it interesting

..................................................Compare to Nelson Mandela

The United States first labeled Nelson Mandela a terrorist in the 1970s

the formal listing in the 1980s

Mandela co-founded Umkhonto we Sizwe (MK), the armed wing of the African National Congress (ANC). No credible evidence or formal charges directly linked Mandela to specific murders. The accusations of terrorism were largely based on his role in MK’s sabotage campaign, which was seen as a legitimate resistance tactic by anti-apartheid activists but as terrorism by the apartheid regime and its allies.

In 1962, Mandela was arrested and initially charged with inciting strikes and leaving the country illegally. In 1963, during the Rivonia Trial, he and other ANC leaders faced more severe charges, including sabotage, attempting to overthrow the government, and acts equivalent to treason.

The label remained in place even after Mandela’s release from prison, his Nobel Peace Prize in 1993, and his presidency from 1994 to 1999

The U.S. removed Nelson Mandela from its terrorism watch list in July 2008

the designation persisted for approximately 30–38 years

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Mike richards's avatar

Menachem Begin too.

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paul's avatar

This is an unexpected turn of events:

Multiple Western Press Outlets Have Suddenly Pivoted Hard Against Israel:

https://www.caitlinjohnst.one/p/multiple-western-press-outlets-have

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Joe's avatar

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Thank you for that link

Important stuff

It is hard to imagine, I dare say impossible to imagine

that Israel who suffered a terrible Holocaust would be at the lead in a Genocide

Equally difficult to imagine, the US who founded the UN and the Genocide Convention and spent time effort and monies prosecuting the Genocide Nuerberg Trials - would now be complicit if not a leader in another one.

As Mershiemer said Shameful and Disgusting

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Mike richards's avatar

Also that dispensationalist zionist christians should give israel a free hand.

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dissonant1's avatar

I can't help but wonder if all this media reporting isn't essentially "front running" Trump's new position vis-a-vis Israel, which may well have been leaked to Western European and UK govts and their presstitutes. After all, without U.S. support the Israeli Gaza genocide and land grab adventure no longer has any cover or chance of success. It will either be totally blamed on Israel - as is being done now - or on those who continue to stand by Israel - which apparently is no one at this point. I guess the UK (longtime Israel puppeteers) and the rest of the West didn't see any profit in taking the blame. What total hypocrites!

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D F Barr's avatar

They’re just learning the hard way that it’s very, very dangerous being “America’s friend.” If you’re not careful, The Narrative can suddenly shift on you.

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Mark Wauck's avatar

Great link. This explains exactly what's going on with Trump. It's not that he suddenly developed a conscience. It's that the Israel Lobby has come to the realization that Netanyahu is no longer an effective front man for Jewish Nationalism. That means Trump is being allowed to distance from Netanyahu to help the Israeli Lobby replace Netanyahu.

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malcolm parr's avatar

Wonderful observation Mark , right on the money !

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PJ Buys's avatar

Yikes. It’s actually sickening how greasy it all is at the end of the day. The American president and entire US gov beholden to the leadership of a single nation through blackmail, extortion, and child pedophilia.

Our world is sick.

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