A couple days ago the NYT ran an op-ed by Stephen Wertheim, a fairly notable historian and analyst of foreign policy. While Wertheim doesn’t use the term Zionist Trap, he pretty clearly is speaking about the same phenomenon that I am. The title alone gives the game away:
The largest bank in America, JP Morgan Chase, is backing Haley.
-She is as pro-war as it gets
-She is pro-censorship
-She is pushing internet Real ID
She is clearly the preferred candidate of the evil ruling class that has destroyed America
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Christina Pushaw @ChristinaPushaw
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Nov 14
NEW: Nikki Haley asserts that allowing people to post on social media anonymously is a "national security threat". She promises that as president, she will force "every person on social media" to be "verified by their name."
Reward for a job well done ensuring the pointless deaths of a few hundred thousand Slavs by his Neocon... I mean, British masters.
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Nov 14
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Mike Pompeo, former CIA Director and US Secretary of State, will take a seat on the board of directors of one of the largest mobile operators in Ukraine, Kyivstar.
Please provide the link for "I saw a video today of two Arab boys—they appeared to be no more than about 12 years old—skateboarding down a street on the West Bank. They were both shot."
Wow, the NYT has run a truthful, informative and historical column! If they had any sense they would have asked you for permission to print your recent series of articles on the history of the Arab-Israeli conflict and our precariously immoral stance as bystanders…domestic politics “mixed in” to the Israel’s ongoing existential conflict. I’ve learned so much from these pieces…
The discussion here, over the last few years has increasingly tended towards "where did we go wrong (here in the US)? How did it happen? Well let's see if we can figure out what happened.
I was talking to a friend the other day who said it started when the Neocons overplayed their hand in Ukraine with the attempt to bring down Putin and effect regime change in Russia. This failure, he says, emboldened Hamas to take a shot at Israel. I said, but what about Biden? Trump was at least holding the Neocons at bay. It was Biden who effed everything up. You know what Obama said about his buddy Joe. My friend scratched his chin and said, but when Trump beat Hillary it drove the Libs crazy so they did a deal with the Neocons to take down Trump. It was really the Neocons. I said, but the Neocons have been around for decades. They didn't need the Libs to grab the car keys. Bush handed them over. You know, you're right, my friend said. This craziness began with Bush. 9/11 gave him and Rumsfeld and Cheney the perfect opportunity to start wars all around the world. Remember the Wolfowitz Doctrine? You know: War today. War tomorrow. I said I did and I couldn't disagree. But I did remind my friend that Endless War didn't begin with Bush and Cheney and Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz. We were into that with Bill Clinton and wars in Kosovo and Sarajevo. He came right back at me. Well what about George HW's Desert Storm, he said. Who cooked that one up? I said, well, you're right. It was probably HW's old buddies in the Agency. He said, you know I'm glad you mentioned the Agency. They've been causing mischief for decades. Do you really think it was them who took out JFK, he asked? Probably RFK, too? I said, well its kinda looking that way, isn't it? He said, well you know Allen Dulles despised Kennedy. He thought Kennedy was going to sign a peace treaty with Khrushchev and mess up the nice little Cold War gig that he and his brother cooked up after WWII. Served JFK right. They sure fooled Eisenhower, too, didn't they? I said, but don't forget about the British plan to control the global oil supply...with pipelines running right through Palestine. They gave Palestine to the Zionists because they thought they could keep the British Empire going that way. Pip pip! Lots of luck with that notion. But we did get the State of Israel out of the deal. Yeah, he said. You know if they had played their cards right they would have let the Germans win WWI and then divvied up the world with them. They sure messed that one up with the Versailles Treaty. Humiliated them, didn't they? That's how we got Hitler, right? Then there was a long silence.
By this time my friend and I were feeling exhausted and we hadn't even got to the beginning of all the trouble. We decided to go have a beer.
Just for the record...the conversation was wholly imaginary. Just my late evening stream of conscious rambling... a lame attempt at some humor in what is otherwise a deadly serious...and very depressing subject. Are we better off not even knowing how we got into the mess we're in?
I had thought of making a joke about how many children have imaginary friends they talk to but the effort to formulate the jest was too great for so early in the AM.
Neocons are part of it. The great Iraq adventure we are still living with the fallout. And we are still in Syria! And destroyed Libya.
Jimmy Carter and Iran.
Wef / Davos types I blame a lot for the Russia / Ukraine disaster, and all the color revolutions. Plus the green religion that is pushing de industrialization, no nuke energy, no extraction of fossil fuels in Europe.
Jewish Lobby in U.S. - rule for political survival - don’t cross aipac. They are spending $100 million to primary the squad.
As a Christian I have no automatic allegiance or sympathy for Jews of the Old Testament (or Zionism), they who worshipped golden calves. Rather, Jews of the New Testament are my brothers, as are Palestinians who love Jesus Christ.
“It must be clear that there is no room in the country for both peoples….If the Arabs leave it, the country will become wide and spacious for us…. The only solution is a Land of Israel… without Arabs. There is no room here for compromises…”
Founding a state based on the experience of the Holocaust AND the acquisition of lebensraum. The hypocrisy is nauseating.
“to oppose Russia for . . . targeting civilian infrastructure in Ukraine.”
I can’t stand reading mainstream drivel. And to think, I was once a subscriber to that rag. No wonder half if this country have lost their minds. Being lied to constantly will do that to you.
G'evening Mark and MIH truth seekers. A major value found here in Mark's work is his research and presentation of wide-ranging, diverse and (necessarily) conflicting views (&/or opinions). That said, more and more I've taken away that honest reporting is practically blockaded from view. It's not just 'our side vs their side'; the current world geo-political disaster-in-the-making is much too complex to be 'on a side'.
i.e. Ukraine and Russia had virtually reached agreement to avoid what became a proxy-war using UK lives as cannon fodder for US intentions. But it wasn't just US's program, NATO's as well pressed very hard by UK (etc.). Now, Zelenskyy is being hung out to dry after seeing perhaps 1/2 a million of his country killed, maimed and MIA. He's calling for continuing the fight while those who prevented his avoiding all the carnage say 'time to stop'. This type of complexity-compounded if you will- through China/Taiwan, Iran/SA, Turkey/Arminian (+) conflict [etc.] and now Israel/Hamas with a MSM that is totally unreliable leaves me heart-broken when I read pretty reliable sources such as Scott Ritter and Victor Davis Hanson who present absolute opposite views on Israel/Hamas.
I really don't have anything to add to others excellent comments except to note what, really, can we conclude when "information/propaganda" is all we get to draw from. One of the main go-to's for me is MIH because Mark is unafraid of the difficult facts - whatever 'side' is being reported on.
Blessings friends and particularly Mark and your family. I truly appreciate this forum and you all. (WrH)
A very kInd compliment, thank you. It is truly spoken from a broken heart. Being of faith, my default is to support an Israel's existence. Being of faith, I read and understand to the best of my ability in scripture that God will establish, protect and renew said Israel. What I've learned through this current mess is man (once again) is deciding what God is having them to do. Historically that's ended in, well, disaster for His Chosen people. I fear that may be where we are today. Kindest regards IJ Me. (WrH)
My thoughts regarding Israel were very similar to yours. This blog is really making me reevaluate many of my positions. There is so much propaganda and outright lying that go on today. Best to keep our wits about us and take the 'news' with a grain of salt.
I don’t quite remember where I got this link, but I was quite surprised to read this article which is from nine years ago regarding the hospital in Gaza being a Hamas command post. Of course, my first thought when I heard about the IDF attacking was, who’s making this propaganda up now and to what end but it seems that this underground facilities have been there for quite some time courtesy of the IDF and occupied by Hamas. Go figure.
Hey Mikey, Perhaps reckoning may be due if, like Hamas, Israel themself created the Shifa Hospital bunkers. That axiom 'be careful what you wish for' has long legs sometimes. Created in 1983 by Israel (per that article). And so it goes... Best at you! (WrH)
“In a bold demonstration of chutzpah, two current members of Israel's legislature took to the Wall Street Journal op-ed pages to declare that Western countries should start taking Gaza refugees.”
Sure, let’s import more of somebody else’s problem. We’ve got plenty of room and resources. Diversity is our strength or something.
And they smear us as xenophobic and white supremacists while maintaining a Zionist only apartheid state. Hucksterism is alive and well in the Zionist state. Diversity is for suckers and they believe we are just that to be exploited.
For those who don't remember, #Israel's genocide and invasion is business as usual:
In 1982, the Israeli Occupation Forces (IOF) invaded #Beirut #Lebanon and besieged it for 88 days, killing an estimated 18,000 people. Not a drop of water or a piece of bread was allowed in.
Almost everytime the liberals/Dems get mad about someone like Johnson, in the end, they get the results they want. Cf. O'Connor, Kennedy, Souter, GW Bush, Roberts, McConnell. I've learned to be wary of getting my hopes up
Biden has been scrambling to go to Minnesota and Michigan, states with notable Muslim populations who are also critical to the Democrats holding on to power.
Liberty Lockdown w/ Clint Russell @LibertyLockPod
Nov 14
The largest bank in America, JP Morgan Chase, is backing Haley.
-She is as pro-war as it gets
-She is pro-censorship
-She is pushing internet Real ID
She is clearly the preferred candidate of the evil ruling class that has destroyed America
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Christina Pushaw @ChristinaPushaw
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Nov 14
NEW: Nikki Haley asserts that allowing people to post on social media anonymously is a "national security threat". She promises that as president, she will force "every person on social media" to be "verified by their name."
Tom Luongo (Head Sneetch) @TFL1728
Nov 15
Reward for a job well done ensuring the pointless deaths of a few hundred thousand Slavs by his Neocon... I mean, British masters.
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Glenn Diesen @Glenn_Diesen
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Nov 14
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Mike Pompeo, former CIA Director and US Secretary of State, will take a seat on the board of directors of one of the largest mobile operators in Ukraine, Kyivstar.
https://google.com/amp/s/finance.yahoo.com/amphtml/news/veon-welcomes-former-u-secretary-132000436.html
Please provide the link for "I saw a video today of two Arab boys—they appeared to be no more than about 12 years old—skateboarding down a street on the West Bank. They were both shot."
I saw it on twitter but didn't keep track of it--I can't possibly keep track of everything that's out there. I'll link it if I come across it again.
Wow, the NYT has run a truthful, informative and historical column! If they had any sense they would have asked you for permission to print your recent series of articles on the history of the Arab-Israeli conflict and our precariously immoral stance as bystanders…domestic politics “mixed in” to the Israel’s ongoing existential conflict. I’ve learned so much from these pieces…
The discussion here, over the last few years has increasingly tended towards "where did we go wrong (here in the US)? How did it happen? Well let's see if we can figure out what happened.
I was talking to a friend the other day who said it started when the Neocons overplayed their hand in Ukraine with the attempt to bring down Putin and effect regime change in Russia. This failure, he says, emboldened Hamas to take a shot at Israel. I said, but what about Biden? Trump was at least holding the Neocons at bay. It was Biden who effed everything up. You know what Obama said about his buddy Joe. My friend scratched his chin and said, but when Trump beat Hillary it drove the Libs crazy so they did a deal with the Neocons to take down Trump. It was really the Neocons. I said, but the Neocons have been around for decades. They didn't need the Libs to grab the car keys. Bush handed them over. You know, you're right, my friend said. This craziness began with Bush. 9/11 gave him and Rumsfeld and Cheney the perfect opportunity to start wars all around the world. Remember the Wolfowitz Doctrine? You know: War today. War tomorrow. I said I did and I couldn't disagree. But I did remind my friend that Endless War didn't begin with Bush and Cheney and Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz. We were into that with Bill Clinton and wars in Kosovo and Sarajevo. He came right back at me. Well what about George HW's Desert Storm, he said. Who cooked that one up? I said, well, you're right. It was probably HW's old buddies in the Agency. He said, you know I'm glad you mentioned the Agency. They've been causing mischief for decades. Do you really think it was them who took out JFK, he asked? Probably RFK, too? I said, well its kinda looking that way, isn't it? He said, well you know Allen Dulles despised Kennedy. He thought Kennedy was going to sign a peace treaty with Khrushchev and mess up the nice little Cold War gig that he and his brother cooked up after WWII. Served JFK right. They sure fooled Eisenhower, too, didn't they? I said, but don't forget about the British plan to control the global oil supply...with pipelines running right through Palestine. They gave Palestine to the Zionists because they thought they could keep the British Empire going that way. Pip pip! Lots of luck with that notion. But we did get the State of Israel out of the deal. Yeah, he said. You know if they had played their cards right they would have let the Germans win WWI and then divvied up the world with them. They sure messed that one up with the Versailles Treaty. Humiliated them, didn't they? That's how we got Hitler, right? Then there was a long silence.
By this time my friend and I were feeling exhausted and we hadn't even got to the beginning of all the trouble. We decided to go have a beer.
Just for the record...the conversation was wholly imaginary. Just my late evening stream of conscious rambling... a lame attempt at some humor in what is otherwise a deadly serious...and very depressing subject. Are we better off not even knowing how we got into the mess we're in?
I had thought of making a joke about how many children have imaginary friends they talk to but the effort to formulate the jest was too great for so early in the AM.
Neocons are part of it. The great Iraq adventure we are still living with the fallout. And we are still in Syria! And destroyed Libya.
Jimmy Carter and Iran.
Wef / Davos types I blame a lot for the Russia / Ukraine disaster, and all the color revolutions. Plus the green religion that is pushing de industrialization, no nuke energy, no extraction of fossil fuels in Europe.
Jewish Lobby in U.S. - rule for political survival - don’t cross aipac. They are spending $100 million to primary the squad.
https://donsurber.substack.com/p/jews-bet-100-million-against-the
Arab lobby that has kept Palestinian Refugees going on multiple generations. European refugees were taken care of in 6 years.
And the uniparty for stealing the election from Trump. Imagine the Middle East if we were energy independent.
So many more aiders and abettors of this mess, of the world we live in today.
In my soon to be published post I do ref the "enlightenment".
The French have a nice expression for such a conversation; they say “nous avons réinventé le monde!” We’ve remade the world!
As a Christian I have no automatic allegiance or sympathy for Jews of the Old Testament (or Zionism), they who worshipped golden calves. Rather, Jews of the New Testament are my brothers, as are Palestinians who love Jesus Christ.
“It must be clear that there is no room in the country for both peoples….If the Arabs leave it, the country will become wide and spacious for us…. The only solution is a Land of Israel… without Arabs. There is no room here for compromises…”
Founding a state based on the experience of the Holocaust AND the acquisition of lebensraum. The hypocrisy is nauseating.
“to oppose Russia for . . . targeting civilian infrastructure in Ukraine.”
I can’t stand reading mainstream drivel. And to think, I was once a subscriber to that rag. No wonder half if this country have lost their minds. Being lied to constantly will do that to you.
G'evening Mark and MIH truth seekers. A major value found here in Mark's work is his research and presentation of wide-ranging, diverse and (necessarily) conflicting views (&/or opinions). That said, more and more I've taken away that honest reporting is practically blockaded from view. It's not just 'our side vs their side'; the current world geo-political disaster-in-the-making is much too complex to be 'on a side'.
i.e. Ukraine and Russia had virtually reached agreement to avoid what became a proxy-war using UK lives as cannon fodder for US intentions. But it wasn't just US's program, NATO's as well pressed very hard by UK (etc.). Now, Zelenskyy is being hung out to dry after seeing perhaps 1/2 a million of his country killed, maimed and MIA. He's calling for continuing the fight while those who prevented his avoiding all the carnage say 'time to stop'. This type of complexity-compounded if you will- through China/Taiwan, Iran/SA, Turkey/Arminian (+) conflict [etc.] and now Israel/Hamas with a MSM that is totally unreliable leaves me heart-broken when I read pretty reliable sources such as Scott Ritter and Victor Davis Hanson who present absolute opposite views on Israel/Hamas.
I really don't have anything to add to others excellent comments except to note what, really, can we conclude when "information/propaganda" is all we get to draw from. One of the main go-to's for me is MIH because Mark is unafraid of the difficult facts - whatever 'side' is being reported on.
Blessings friends and particularly Mark and your family. I truly appreciate this forum and you all. (WrH)
Well said, Mr. Hovland.
A very kInd compliment, thank you. It is truly spoken from a broken heart. Being of faith, my default is to support an Israel's existence. Being of faith, I read and understand to the best of my ability in scripture that God will establish, protect and renew said Israel. What I've learned through this current mess is man (once again) is deciding what God is having them to do. Historically that's ended in, well, disaster for His Chosen people. I fear that may be where we are today. Kindest regards IJ Me. (WrH)
My thoughts regarding Israel were very similar to yours. This blog is really making me reevaluate many of my positions. There is so much propaganda and outright lying that go on today. Best to keep our wits about us and take the 'news' with a grain of salt.
Well said
I don’t quite remember where I got this link, but I was quite surprised to read this article which is from nine years ago regarding the hospital in Gaza being a Hamas command post. Of course, my first thought when I heard about the IDF attacking was, who’s making this propaganda up now and to what end but it seems that this underground facilities have been there for quite some time courtesy of the IDF and occupied by Hamas. Go figure.
https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/top-secret-hamas-command-bunker-in-gaza-revealed
Hey Mikey, Perhaps reckoning may be due if, like Hamas, Israel themself created the Shifa Hospital bunkers. That axiom 'be careful what you wish for' has long legs sometimes. Created in 1983 by Israel (per that article). And so it goes... Best at you! (WrH)
Swags on Israeli Gaza Strategy:
1. Hyperbolic Israeli claims to get Hamas to negotiate.
2. Hyperbole by Israel to assuage feeling of revenge and shock in Israel due to Hamas puncturing Israeli perceived invincible.
3. Israelis actually believe what they are saying of Nakbar 2.
4. Israel trying to reestablish deterrence by flattening Gaza.
5. Israel trying to destroy Hamas.
I was told winning the war in Ukraine was existential.
@Mark -- It may be existential for the Neocons, too. Not that it has to be, but if they double down, what's the difference?
Their "mental reservations" are going to kill a lot of innocent people.
Point.
It is--for Russia.
“In a bold demonstration of chutzpah, two current members of Israel's legislature took to the Wall Street Journal op-ed pages to declare that Western countries should start taking Gaza refugees.”
Sure, let’s import more of somebody else’s problem. We’ve got plenty of room and resources. Diversity is our strength or something.
And they smear us as xenophobic and white supremacists while maintaining a Zionist only apartheid state. Hucksterism is alive and well in the Zionist state. Diversity is for suckers and they believe we are just that to be exploited.
Elijah J. Magnier @ejmalrai
Nov 10
For those who don't remember, #Israel's genocide and invasion is business as usual:
In 1982, the Israeli Occupation Forces (IOF) invaded #Beirut #Lebanon and besieged it for 88 days, killing an estimated 18,000 people. Not a drop of water or a piece of bread was allowed in.
My dad was right back in the seventies, “those damn Jews are gonna wind up getting us all killed.”
Capitol Hill, Israeli occupied territory:
The_Real_Fly @The_Real_Fly
Speaker Mike Johnson: “The Calls for a Ceasefire are Outrageous”
Almost everytime the liberals/Dems get mad about someone like Johnson, in the end, they get the results they want. Cf. O'Connor, Kennedy, Souter, GW Bush, Roberts, McConnell. I've learned to be wary of getting my hopes up
Mike Johnson was hardly an upgrade from Kevin McCarthy. His evangelical sensibility seems hell bent on ushering in their much awaited end times.
Probably needs to room with Lunt like Kev.
Biden has been scrambling to go to Minnesota and Michigan, states with notable Muslim populations who are also critical to the Democrats holding on to power.