Somehow, I don't believe the government will get the same results as with the big 2020 Covid scare/scam. The court cases currently addressing the heavy-handed government censorship by co-opting social media platforms as de facto government organs, the massive drop in confidence in government institutions (CDC, FDA, DOJ, FBI, DoD, etc.) following their pattern of lies and lawlessness, and a president unable to lead a gang of hungry seamen to chow much less an entire country in another contrived crisis. No, I cannot see a good outcome for the government should they try to implement Act II using the same old tired lies and coercion that has been exposed.
Who are “they”? No one ever names the individuals that hold all this power and are doing these things to trump. Does no one really know? Are we dealing with the wizard of Oz behind the magic curtain?
Atlantic council, Lawfare, Aspen institute, all things Soro’s and affiliated PAC’s, Southern Poverty, to make a few. Plus educational institutions and MSM. IMO.
I think its a loose group of mem and women with power and money, overlapping objectives, and a lot to lose, and a group of politicians, shady intelligence operators, media moguls and lawyers in symbiosis.
Some names which come to mind are George Soros, Barack Obama, Bill and Hillary Clinton, Mark Zuckerburg, Nancy Pelosi, Michael Bloomberg, Jeff Bezos, Susan Rice, Valerie Jarrett, Marc Elias, Bob Bauer, Ben Wittes, Klaus Schwab, Chuck Schumer, Mitch McConnell, Paul Ryan, Eric Holder, Dick Cheney, Rupert Murdoch, Robert Kagan, Kathryn Ruemmler, Bill Kristol, Mitt Romney. I am sure there are quite a few others who fit the template.
I'm thinking that Joe Biden is more of a puppet than a puppeteer. I don't know who pulls Adam Schiff and Eric Swallwell's strings but I wish they'd quit. And somebody has to own Andrew Weissmann.
Read a bit on how the NSDAP subsumed Germany. No, I don't think there is a central, rule-making figure though Obama might fit the bill. Like thinkers know where the ball is headed and go that way.
Why does there have to be “someone behind the curtain?” It’s enough for all the people Cassander lists (and more) to have the same interests for them, with lots of nodding and winking, to just go about doing whatever they can from their respective positions to prevent the orange menace from returning. There’s no need for some grand strategy or a grand strategist, only cocktail banter and bitching around the water cooler. That’s all that necessary.
Yeah. They’re all of like mind. But if more is required by way of organized planning (conspiracy-wise), they’ll do that too. Recall, for example, Hillary’s admission — whether she meant it facetiously or not — that she gets her marching orders from the CFR.
And thus Brother Ass summarizes N.S. Lyons' magisterial "China Convergence" substack post, in which Lyons explains how people coordinate their actions without being told what to do at each step. Basically, we in America have developed the equivalent of a United Front.
"China is a one-party state. Only the members of one political party, the Chinese Communist Party, are permitted to hold any positions of power (though a collection of small 'independent' parties exist for show). This state of affairs is a step beyond extreme centrism, if also its logical conclusion.
But what is the nature of a one-party state, really? Grasping that requires understanding not just the one-party but the party-state. The party-state, a spontaneous feature of nearly every revolutionary regime in history, is a unique form of government. It is sometimes described as a system in which one dominant political group functions as a 'state within a state.' But in the case of a fully mature party-state like China’s this description would be misleading, since the Chinese regime is more like a political party with a state attached..."
There is a Uniparty, and America is the state attached to it.
Not entirely guesses, but perhaps 'obvious'. As I suggested, I think its a loose grouping of quite a number with overlapping goals. You think its one guy?
Well said. Especially about Obama. You’ve expressed what I’ve always believed about him and still do.
My greatest fear is that some group of crazies start shooting when trump goes on trial giving “them” the excuse their waiting for to impose martial law and shut everything down, turn off the internet, etc. Then we’re finished.
It is uncanny just how brilliant Orwell was. Substitute 2024 for "1984" and he foresaw it all. All that remains is for the ruling elite to choose 'Big Brother.' Although he doesn't talk about it a lot in the book, Orwell envisaged a total disconnect between the average person and his government. The proles go about their lives paying little attention to the ruling class, and the ruling class is content to write them off and act as if they don't exist. Their ruling class rank and file are kept in line amid shortages of everything. Trying to similarly control the masses would be an impossible task, and is best left undone. After all, they don't really count. As long as they don't act up they are not a threat. For their part the deplorables have learned to keep out of trouble, and are pretty much free to carry on with their lives.
In all wars, including the proxy war in Ukraine, as well as the rising civil war (between the elites and the despicables) in the United States, there is a common fatuation with the belief that if, if, we can just 'win' the war, and vanquish the enemy, then we can peacefully enjoy the new status quo and the power that comes with victory.
It doesn't often work that way. I fear the day after the war is 'won' as much as I fear the war.
I don’t see how Trump can win without fixing the fraud potential in Nv, Wi, Ga, Pa, Az, and Mi. The deep blue states with mail in balloting I’m seeing as a lost cause, unfortunately.
Unfortunately, I’m not seeing the groundwork being done.
GOP party is in either denial, or willful ignorance. And Trump is focused on the lawfare against him, and winning the primary.
Our elections seem to be deliberately designed so results can’t be verified / trusted / audited.
Kari Lake in Arizona and the AG election were both probably stolen, and the courts are allowing it, just like Trump in 2020.
There are still 15 months to the election, so May be the horse will learn to sing.
One excellent consequence of PDJT is the exposure of the bad actors and bad processes used against him (us). I pray the grace of God covers Mr Trump on his path.
This is a bit off topic, although relevant, IMO. Texas is a microcosm of what goes on in DC, and all over the "Collective West." This relatively short documentary (37:50) lays out how backstabbing politicians operate everywhere when they are in power:
I'm not convinced that "hate" is the right word, Mark. The campaign seems dispassionately calculating, which would make "despise" an arguably more accurate term.
What we refer to as the "blue collar" class is one regarded as a fungible population of servants, not fellow citizens. As such they are beneath the contempt of those holding the reins of power.
The January six protests seem to have elicited the first evidence of emotion approaching the intensity of "hate." For the first time, it became evident that the servant class' belief structure might lead to lawful accountability for various forms of unlawful activity. The terror this caused among the culpable and complicit was palpable. Those who had just spent the last several years fomenting violent civil disorder were made suddenly aware that their manipulations contained elements of personal and reputational risk. Observing the arrogant in the process of arrogation is a fascinating (if rather horrifying) study in hubris.
All that was required was an honest and open judicial review of such evidence as had been presented, but dictators gonna dictate.
I agree that they absolutely will not allow DJT to return to power and I am equally convinced that they are fully committed to doing “anything” to keep it from happening.
If they cannot stop him with bogus legal maneuvering ending with his incarceration, then they will do it “by any means necessary”, and I do mean “any”. The idea that murdering a political opponent is beyond these people is naive. While they might prefer a less Carthaginian solution, uneasiness with the nature of the method will not sway or stop their resolve, Trump must NEVER be allowed back in the
White House.
I think we are seeing the early stages of the end game with the recent rumor about the CDC pushing the dangers of the “newest” Covid variant and the need to return to mask mandates for air travel and government employees, and then of course it’s just a hop, skip and a jump to lockdowns, mail in voting and martial law if the need arises.
To make matters even more perilous, the fact a very, very large number of Republicans are equally committed to DJT never gaining the Presidency again, makes it a certainty that they can only be counted on to continue the betrayal of their oath of office and the country.
I don’t like being pessimistic but there comes a time when you have to face the
Kimball, like Anton, is saying up front what will happen if Trump wins the 2024 election. Putting it in the record so to speak. My view, for what it is worth, is that if BLM and Antifa take to the streets again under a Trump administration they will not be treated with kid gloves as they were in 2020. Trump and his AG will be free to take decisive action against these organized hooligans by declaring a real insurrection and using the J6 kangaroo courts as precedent to award some lengthy prison sentences and where justified seek the death penalty. I can even envision democrat politicians being arrested for inciting the insurrectionists. The democrats and their shills in the media will be apoplectic, but the nation as a whole will approve of ending the lawless antics propagated by the scheming progressives/communists/Marxists to overthrow an elected government, no matter how heavy handed the tactics. Reestablishing respect for the law and returning to an orderly society would be rewarded.
Dear DJL - the clean use of due process and ability to establish order, that piece I agree with. A "return the favor" use of a J6-kangaroo court approach, that is the kind of thing that would split Trump supporters from him. I'll use the monicker Tea Party, as it carries MAGA, but 'in the original'. Tea partiers (I am one) don't want to see ugly precedents amplified; we seek a return to American core principles, equality before the Law and of opportunity, smaller better focused & competent Gov't, transparency, truth, greatly reduced corporate rent seeking and an abhorrence in government of the people as opponents. Were a Trump admin to go "J6", it would be clear the champion has morphed into the villain.
The point is the vast majority of the J6ers are being charged and arrested then convicted in the DC kangaroo court system and given outrageous sentences for merely being present. Nothing more. Holding these actual thugs who destroy property and entire sections of cities and those financing and inciting them accountable is what must happen. If using the J6 kangaroo courts as precedent to try real insurrectionists is distasteful to you, then so be it. We're on the precipice of a complete breakdown of law and order in this nation, and there is one political party responsible for it. A return to "American core principles" cannot happen until the cancer is expunged from the body politic. And removing the cancer will not be pleasant, especially for those who decry using those same tactics being used against us against those who would see us defeated and marginalized. That is a world none of us want - but it is a definite possibility after witnessing the past two years of Biden. Was Lincoln a hero or a villain for arresting and confining the duly elected Maryland legislature? Villain or hero, it all depends on who writes the history.
Dear DJL - friend, I applaud your passion and press for bringing those responsible for the damages to our Republic to judgment. It is not accountability I shy away from, but the idea the response would - like J6 proceedings - also be a kangaroo circus = no due process, only evil narrative. I seek justice done proper.
IOW, can two wrongs ever make a right? I also wonder if it would really be a necessity to set up our own kangaroo court, unless you believe there are absolutely no uncorrupted courts anywhere in the whole country. What about all the Trump-appointed judges?
Israel is the template. Netanyahu was supposed to be lawfared into hell by his legal establishment. But his endless trial kept eating its own tail, while in the meantime he was elected again. Cue the color rev there that's been playing out since March. Trumps red, white and blue color rev in 2025 will exactly mirror Netanyahu's. But while Bebe is trying to tame an all powerful highest court which can overturn any law for any reason, DJT will face street warfare aimed at reducing the Supreme Court to a corrupt, discredited institution (unlike you know, the congress, the president, the military, the deep state etc). Israel's streets have been full of protesters defending judicial superpowers, ours will be demanding our Supremes are stripped of theirs. The slow-grind Clarence Thomas takedown is act one.
The SCOTUS is on our side? They will likely keep out of trouble, maybe only correcting the most egregious elements of Trump's conviction, and maybe assuring he gets no prison time so public reaction does not get out of hand.
Luongo postulated 3 main groups jockeying for power in the Democratic Party / DNC for the 2024 Election:
- Hillary
- Obama / Wef / Davos
- Wall Street
RFK is none of the above I guess,
https://tomluongo.me/2023/08/21/the-oliver-anthony-gap/
Speaking of politics. Rumor has it (Alex Jones) that govt mask mandates will reappear with airlines in September.
And another round of Covid scaremongering starting to seep out.
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/07/31/covid-19-cases-are-climbing-but-dont-be-alarmed-00109074
https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/aug/18/new-covid-variant-worried-subvariants-mutate
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/08/well/live/covid-summer-surge.html
Somehow, I don't believe the government will get the same results as with the big 2020 Covid scare/scam. The court cases currently addressing the heavy-handed government censorship by co-opting social media platforms as de facto government organs, the massive drop in confidence in government institutions (CDC, FDA, DOJ, FBI, DoD, etc.) following their pattern of lies and lawlessness, and a president unable to lead a gang of hungry seamen to chow much less an entire country in another contrived crisis. No, I cannot see a good outcome for the government should they try to implement Act II using the same old tired lies and coercion that has been exposed.
Yep.
Yeah, there's a new "vax" coming out so they need to scare people into shooting up.
Jeff Childers suggests it’s to help justify the Gov buying a bunch of boosters to help Moderna’s bottom line. Stock is not doing well.
https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/water-gods-monday-august-21-2023
I'm sure that's sheer coincidence, Ray. Just like the vaxxed dropping dead of heart attacks.
...and keep them out of the voting booths.
Who are “they”? No one ever names the individuals that hold all this power and are doing these things to trump. Does no one really know? Are we dealing with the wizard of Oz behind the magic curtain?
Atlantic council, Lawfare, Aspen institute, all things Soro’s and affiliated PAC’s, Southern Poverty, to make a few. Plus educational institutions and MSM. IMO.
All right, I'll bite.
I think its a loose group of mem and women with power and money, overlapping objectives, and a lot to lose, and a group of politicians, shady intelligence operators, media moguls and lawyers in symbiosis.
Some names which come to mind are George Soros, Barack Obama, Bill and Hillary Clinton, Mark Zuckerburg, Nancy Pelosi, Michael Bloomberg, Jeff Bezos, Susan Rice, Valerie Jarrett, Marc Elias, Bob Bauer, Ben Wittes, Klaus Schwab, Chuck Schumer, Mitch McConnell, Paul Ryan, Eric Holder, Dick Cheney, Rupert Murdoch, Robert Kagan, Kathryn Ruemmler, Bill Kristol, Mitt Romney. I am sure there are quite a few others who fit the template.
I'm thinking that Joe Biden is more of a puppet than a puppeteer. I don't know who pulls Adam Schiff and Eric Swallwell's strings but I wish they'd quit. And somebody has to own Andrew Weissmann.
Obvious guesses. But who’s behind the curtain?
Xi
Read a bit on how the NSDAP subsumed Germany. No, I don't think there is a central, rule-making figure though Obama might fit the bill. Like thinkers know where the ball is headed and go that way.
Why does there have to be “someone behind the curtain?” It’s enough for all the people Cassander lists (and more) to have the same interests for them, with lots of nodding and winking, to just go about doing whatever they can from their respective positions to prevent the orange menace from returning. There’s no need for some grand strategy or a grand strategist, only cocktail banter and bitching around the water cooler. That’s all that necessary.
Yeah. They’re all of like mind. But if more is required by way of organized planning (conspiracy-wise), they’ll do that too. Recall, for example, Hillary’s admission — whether she meant it facetiously or not — that she gets her marching orders from the CFR.
And thus Brother Ass summarizes N.S. Lyons' magisterial "China Convergence" substack post, in which Lyons explains how people coordinate their actions without being told what to do at each step. Basically, we in America have developed the equivalent of a United Front.
"China is a one-party state. Only the members of one political party, the Chinese Communist Party, are permitted to hold any positions of power (though a collection of small 'independent' parties exist for show). This state of affairs is a step beyond extreme centrism, if also its logical conclusion.
But what is the nature of a one-party state, really? Grasping that requires understanding not just the one-party but the party-state. The party-state, a spontaneous feature of nearly every revolutionary regime in history, is a unique form of government. It is sometimes described as a system in which one dominant political group functions as a 'state within a state.' But in the case of a fully mature party-state like China’s this description would be misleading, since the Chinese regime is more like a political party with a state attached..."
There is a Uniparty, and America is the state attached to it.
Not entirely guesses, but perhaps 'obvious'. As I suggested, I think its a loose grouping of quite a number with overlapping goals. You think its one guy?
The gay President.
Maybe...he is a mysterious figure.
Not a clue
Great comment.
Funds won't be a problem ... the sources are all liquid and off-book
Well said. Especially about Obama. You’ve expressed what I’ve always believed about him and still do.
My greatest fear is that some group of crazies start shooting when trump goes on trial giving “them” the excuse their waiting for to impose martial law and shut everything down, turn off the internet, etc. Then we’re finished.
https://twitter.com/TheBabylonBee/status/1692622907518685494
Luckily not that bad so far in the LA Area. No winds, only 1/2” so far, supposedly another 2” on the way.
Be safe!
It is uncanny just how brilliant Orwell was. Substitute 2024 for "1984" and he foresaw it all. All that remains is for the ruling elite to choose 'Big Brother.' Although he doesn't talk about it a lot in the book, Orwell envisaged a total disconnect between the average person and his government. The proles go about their lives paying little attention to the ruling class, and the ruling class is content to write them off and act as if they don't exist. Their ruling class rank and file are kept in line amid shortages of everything. Trying to similarly control the masses would be an impossible task, and is best left undone. After all, they don't really count. As long as they don't act up they are not a threat. For their part the deplorables have learned to keep out of trouble, and are pretty much free to carry on with their lives.
But where do today's Winston Smiths come out?
Poor Winston. Lucky us, who are simply deplorable and can indulge in the joys of a moral human existence.
In all wars, including the proxy war in Ukraine, as well as the rising civil war (between the elites and the despicables) in the United States, there is a common fatuation with the belief that if, if, we can just 'win' the war, and vanquish the enemy, then we can peacefully enjoy the new status quo and the power that comes with victory.
It doesn't often work that way. I fear the day after the war is 'won' as much as I fear the war.
I don’t see how Trump can win without fixing the fraud potential in Nv, Wi, Ga, Pa, Az, and Mi. The deep blue states with mail in balloting I’m seeing as a lost cause, unfortunately.
Unfortunately, I’m not seeing the groundwork being done.
GOP party is in either denial, or willful ignorance. And Trump is focused on the lawfare against him, and winning the primary.
Our elections seem to be deliberately designed so results can’t be verified / trusted / audited.
Kari Lake in Arizona and the AG election were both probably stolen, and the courts are allowing it, just like Trump in 2020.
There are still 15 months to the election, so May be the horse will learn to sing.
One excellent consequence of PDJT is the exposure of the bad actors and bad processes used against him (us). I pray the grace of God covers Mr Trump on his path.
100% agree
Trump has ripped the masks off to show the true faces.
I’m hoping Trump pulls a rabbit out of his hat.
This is a bit off topic, although relevant, IMO. Texas is a microcosm of what goes on in DC, and all over the "Collective West." This relatively short documentary (37:50) lays out how backstabbing politicians operate everywhere when they are in power:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhvxRnYOg5Q
PS, Yes, they do hate us!
I'm not convinced that "hate" is the right word, Mark. The campaign seems dispassionately calculating, which would make "despise" an arguably more accurate term.
What we refer to as the "blue collar" class is one regarded as a fungible population of servants, not fellow citizens. As such they are beneath the contempt of those holding the reins of power.
The January six protests seem to have elicited the first evidence of emotion approaching the intensity of "hate." For the first time, it became evident that the servant class' belief structure might lead to lawful accountability for various forms of unlawful activity. The terror this caused among the culpable and complicit was palpable. Those who had just spent the last several years fomenting violent civil disorder were made suddenly aware that their manipulations contained elements of personal and reputational risk. Observing the arrogant in the process of arrogation is a fascinating (if rather horrifying) study in hubris.
All that was required was an honest and open judicial review of such evidence as had been presented, but dictators gonna dictate.
I agree that they absolutely will not allow DJT to return to power and I am equally convinced that they are fully committed to doing “anything” to keep it from happening.
If they cannot stop him with bogus legal maneuvering ending with his incarceration, then they will do it “by any means necessary”, and I do mean “any”. The idea that murdering a political opponent is beyond these people is naive. While they might prefer a less Carthaginian solution, uneasiness with the nature of the method will not sway or stop their resolve, Trump must NEVER be allowed back in the
White House.
I think we are seeing the early stages of the end game with the recent rumor about the CDC pushing the dangers of the “newest” Covid variant and the need to return to mask mandates for air travel and government employees, and then of course it’s just a hop, skip and a jump to lockdowns, mail in voting and martial law if the need arises.
To make matters even more perilous, the fact a very, very large number of Republicans are equally committed to DJT never gaining the Presidency again, makes it a certainty that they can only be counted on to continue the betrayal of their oath of office and the country.
I don’t like being pessimistic but there comes a time when you have to face the
facts. The facts do not bode well for the nation.
Kimball, like Anton, is saying up front what will happen if Trump wins the 2024 election. Putting it in the record so to speak. My view, for what it is worth, is that if BLM and Antifa take to the streets again under a Trump administration they will not be treated with kid gloves as they were in 2020. Trump and his AG will be free to take decisive action against these organized hooligans by declaring a real insurrection and using the J6 kangaroo courts as precedent to award some lengthy prison sentences and where justified seek the death penalty. I can even envision democrat politicians being arrested for inciting the insurrectionists. The democrats and their shills in the media will be apoplectic, but the nation as a whole will approve of ending the lawless antics propagated by the scheming progressives/communists/Marxists to overthrow an elected government, no matter how heavy handed the tactics. Reestablishing respect for the law and returning to an orderly society would be rewarded.
Dear DJL - the clean use of due process and ability to establish order, that piece I agree with. A "return the favor" use of a J6-kangaroo court approach, that is the kind of thing that would split Trump supporters from him. I'll use the monicker Tea Party, as it carries MAGA, but 'in the original'. Tea partiers (I am one) don't want to see ugly precedents amplified; we seek a return to American core principles, equality before the Law and of opportunity, smaller better focused & competent Gov't, transparency, truth, greatly reduced corporate rent seeking and an abhorrence in government of the people as opponents. Were a Trump admin to go "J6", it would be clear the champion has morphed into the villain.
The point is the vast majority of the J6ers are being charged and arrested then convicted in the DC kangaroo court system and given outrageous sentences for merely being present. Nothing more. Holding these actual thugs who destroy property and entire sections of cities and those financing and inciting them accountable is what must happen. If using the J6 kangaroo courts as precedent to try real insurrectionists is distasteful to you, then so be it. We're on the precipice of a complete breakdown of law and order in this nation, and there is one political party responsible for it. A return to "American core principles" cannot happen until the cancer is expunged from the body politic. And removing the cancer will not be pleasant, especially for those who decry using those same tactics being used against us against those who would see us defeated and marginalized. That is a world none of us want - but it is a definite possibility after witnessing the past two years of Biden. Was Lincoln a hero or a villain for arresting and confining the duly elected Maryland legislature? Villain or hero, it all depends on who writes the history.
Dear DJL - friend, I applaud your passion and press for bringing those responsible for the damages to our Republic to judgment. It is not accountability I shy away from, but the idea the response would - like J6 proceedings - also be a kangaroo circus = no due process, only evil narrative. I seek justice done proper.
IOW, can two wrongs ever make a right? I also wonder if it would really be a necessity to set up our own kangaroo court, unless you believe there are absolutely no uncorrupted courts anywhere in the whole country. What about all the Trump-appointed judges?
Israel is the template. Netanyahu was supposed to be lawfared into hell by his legal establishment. But his endless trial kept eating its own tail, while in the meantime he was elected again. Cue the color rev there that's been playing out since March. Trumps red, white and blue color rev in 2025 will exactly mirror Netanyahu's. But while Bebe is trying to tame an all powerful highest court which can overturn any law for any reason, DJT will face street warfare aimed at reducing the Supreme Court to a corrupt, discredited institution (unlike you know, the congress, the president, the military, the deep state etc). Israel's streets have been full of protesters defending judicial superpowers, ours will be demanding our Supremes are stripped of theirs. The slow-grind Clarence Thomas takedown is act one.
The SCOTUS is on our side? They will likely keep out of trouble, maybe only correcting the most egregious elements of Trump's conviction, and maybe assuring he gets no prison time so public reaction does not get out of hand.
Ugh. I screwed up and forgot to link Kimball:
https:/https://amgreatness.com/2023/08/20/unipartys-plan-to-save-our-democracy-unfolds/
Uniparty’s Plan to Save ‘Our Democracy™’ Unfolds
Trump is an existential threat to their continued existence