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It'll be just like Afghanistan. The US role in this whole war has been driven by Foggy Bottom, Pentagon, and Langley bureaucrats, with the elected government more or less allowing them to run on autopilot. But, nonetheless, when the house of cards collapses they'll blame Dementia Joe and avoid any responsibility themselves. There might be some realists left in the National Security Council who will use this opportunity to force Nuland into retirement, maybe Burns or Austin announce long anticipated plans to join the private sector and spend more time with their families, but by and large the people who gave us this fiasco will remain, and like De Toqueville's Bourbons, will have "forgotten nothing, and learned nothing." They'll even have their Bill Kristol's write op-eds blaming Americans for not wanting it badly enough, while they crave revenge against flyover country teenagers who don't want to join the military anymore. But at least those teenagers won't be joining up. That's the real white pill. The next front will be to anticipate a return to Selective Service, and to mobilize boycotts and cancellation campaigns of any prominent citizen who agrees to serve on a local draft board.

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“It has long been apparent that the Kiev regime has no real plan, no firm path to victory, and only a tenuous and unfriendly relationship with reality. Far more terrifying is the thought that the Pentagon is much the same.”

I think this, rather than the publicly (now) acknowledged enfeeblement of Ukr’s military, is where the real criminality lies.

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ML's avatar

Serge’s summation:

“This Frankenstein’s monster of armies - sewn together with a bevy of different tanks, IFVs, APCs, and artillery systems drawn from all corners of the NATO alliance, will likely be asked to smash through the heavily fortified and robustly manned Russian lines in the south, where it will be pulverized and become only so much more mulch for the Pontic Steppe.”

I bet the Neocons will contort this into a defense of the indefensible.

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Yancey Ward's avatar

I have a direct quote from the leaked documents- "Steiner's assault will bring it under control".

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AmericanCardigan's avatar

Here's my favorite part..."Mercouris had originally been skeptical about the leaked documents, but he’s a believer now, especially after the latest WaPo article."

Imagine WAPO authenticating these leaks in a matter of a few days. Hunter Biden laptop... 2 years.

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susan mullen's avatar

US isn't about "wars," per se, it's about keeping US taxpayers enslaved to the weapons industry so we don't have a chance to get uppity. US loves China, made it what it is today, so the whole "war w. China" is a joke--its biggest R cheerleaders are McCarthy & McCaul. As grinning warmonger Ollie North said in Dec. 2022, US needs to hurry and ship weapons to Taiwan. As to US billions to Ukraine, he said that money never actually went to Ukraine, it went to US defense contractors and from there, turned into jobs for "good, hardworking Americans." Countries give "their blood for our bullets." Our enslavement can't be changed by elections. Only solution is for US to be broken up into, say, 3 parts. Calif & New Mexico may wish to merge w. Mexico.

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Joseph Kaplan's avatar

Thousands more men and women deliberately murdered on the battlefield to satisfy the egos of nuland, blinken et al. If there ever is any Justice they will tried for crimes against humanity for pursuing this crazy war

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Mark Wauck's avatar

Michael Tracey

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I’ve seen around 50 leaked documents at this point and none of them contain any platitudes about freedom, democracy, or the rules-based international order. Weird

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Tamsin's avatar

So Nuland's War, begun in 2014, is meant to prevent a multipolar world? To "decolonize" Russia in order to "colonize" it -- make it a colony of a unipolar world government? Thus it is one campaign in Davos' War against all?

Rolling along in the background we have the WHO's One World Health pandemic not-a-treaty treaty being hammered out along with amendments to International Health Regulations.

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CBus Mike's avatar

Larry Johnson & Ray McGovern discussing the Leaks.

https://www.youtube.com/live/DRs8pAWIxjk?feature=share

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ML's avatar

Even using such adjectives as “peaceful”

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History Lass's avatar

Tom Luguono made a recent reference to Armstrong and the pain NATO and US could bring to bear on the battlefield. I did not listen to the podcast, but he sounded rather shaken .

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Mark Wauck's avatar

To be honest, I'm skeptical. There appear to me to be too many logistical problems involved--short of a nuclear launch--for outright war to occur. I also don't believe any US government could start a war of such a consequential nature without a national debate. My hope is that this will be over far sooner than the end of 2023.

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Yep, Mercouris essentially said the same thing as Massie about the Neocons in Mark's clipped video. The Neocons appear to be insane when one looks at their desired actions and the potential results of them in the light of reality. How can you predict how insane people will act and what will limit their actions?

Milley is retiring this year and some think that who is picked to replace him might provide some indication of who is now in power and the way things will go as regards a potential conflict with China:

https://dailycaller.com/2023/04/09/general-mark-milley-retiring-contenders-replace-biden-top-adviser-military-affairs/

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D F Barr's avatar

China will rule over the ashes. Almost like it’s been planned or something.

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D F Barr's avatar

Funny that

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Vlad's avatar

The deputy head of the Polish Ministry of Finance has announced that Poland intends to become a financial center to raise funds for the restoration of Ukraine.

Another splendid touch to the emerging picture. Counting on aesthetic gratification, I almost do not want Poland to stop creating this magnificent political self-portrait. But I must give Poland its due: it acts openly and so far causes less strong sentiments in Russia (hm, Poland, nothing new), compared to the GB, which operates in clever, deft and mean ways. Traditions in the game, in both cases.

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AmericanCardigan's avatar

Poland's just looking for EU clout. All huff and puff.

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Mark Wauck's avatar

Big dreams? Big delusions? Mercouris was right to bring up how Germany would react. Poland throwing whatever weight it actually has--it all depends on the US--around Europe is a huge turnoff for the rest of Europe. Even countries that formerly aligned with Poland, like Hungary, would be unhappy.

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