Jonathan Turley has never struck me as one for going out on legal limbs without carefully assessing their strength. So it seems notable that he expresses his expectations for the outcome of the Rittenhouse so firmly: Jonathan Turley With the end of closing arguments,
If Kyle is declared innocent there may be some violence, but life will go on. If he is declared guilty, expect a major change. To protect themselves people will resort to concealed carry of unregistered handguns, and they will when they feel threatened shoot to kill. Then they will disappear so as not to have to explain themselves. There will be accidents.
Assuming this isn't just simply a "compressed file" (such as a zipped file) versus the decompressed size; it if it truly is a low res version given to defense, and a HI res version of the same video used by prosecution during closing arguments, then the defendant has been denied his due process rights to a fair trial.
If I had to guess, he either gets NG on all counts, or a mistrial with prejudice. This is egregious prosecutorial misconduct, and the judge can't let it stand. The kid is a free man right now. It's over ....
One unfortunate fact: defense didn't notice the hi-res version used by prosecutors during closing -- they should have noticed, and immediately objected. But they can't be held accountable for not being video resolution experts, so the only option for the judge -- if the jury comes back with any guilty verdicts at all -- is to set aside the guilty verdicts, and issue a judgement N.O.V., or a mistrial with prejudice. Alternatively, judge stops deliberations and orders jury to return a directed NG verdict. (Both outcomes presume the defense raises the issue tomorrow morning, but they may be confident enough in the jury to not bother. But to preserve it as an appealable error, they need to make the objection.)
This is the first trial I've watched or paid much attention to since the Flynn mess. I'm more hopeful in this case being that's it's a state hack job vs a federal crap show.
That said... Kenosha should probably expect to be burned to the ground once this is all over. Maybe next time they will learn to start arresting AND prosecuting real criminals.
Just saw a tweet a few hours ago to the effect that jury asked for 11 more copies of ONLY pages 1-6 of jury instructions; supposedly, these pages are the ones with the instructions re: self defense.
God help any of us should we find ourselves in the cross-hairs of crooked prosecutors, those who will do or say ANYthing to get their conviction, and who have virtually unlimited resources of The State. Nothing* more dangerous to a Constitutional Republic than these prosecutors - they should be disbarred.
I wish I were that confident. The prosecution in the Chauvin case couldn't even prove what killed George Floyd- drugs or Chauvin's knee on his shoulder- literally no evidence was available other than the tox screen which showed Floyd with enough fentanyl in his system to kill him, and yet the jury convicted Chauvin quickly.
The prosecution's attempt to portray a baby-faced teenager as a killer who was seeking confrontation with this bunch of rioting hooligans fails the smell test. It seems the prosecution is hoping for that unmentioned, but always in the background, threat of what could happen to Kenosha should the jury not 'do the right thing.'
The jury has a tough job here. Can the individual members live with their conscience if they knuckle under to the unspoken threat of riots and property destruction? What happens as a result of the verdict they render is not on them.
As has been mentioned elsewhere, Rittenhouse would not have been in Kenosha if the elected officials had done their job of protecting persons and property. They abdicated that responsibility; and in my view they should be the one's on trial.
I wish I had faith in the law now -- after watching the extent radical politics has dominated our country these past few years, I'm trying not to get my hopes too high that justice will be served in this case.
And of course KR was entitled to accept the representations of the manufacturer at to barrel length if the barrel didn't appear obviously less than 16". After all S&W is highly regulated by the Feds--who should know if they were making illegal rifles.
Do you really think "the most liberal people" think that?
It seems that they actually think people SHOULD be willing to take beatings. Not themselves, of course, but others should totally be willing to "take one for equity."
If Kyle is declared innocent there may be some violence, but life will go on. If he is declared guilty, expect a major change. To protect themselves people will resort to concealed carry of unregistered handguns, and they will when they feel threatened shoot to kill. Then they will disappear so as not to have to explain themselves. There will be accidents.
SWC:
>> https://twitter.com/shipwreckedcrew/status/1460794981623353347 <<
>> https://twitter.com/shipwreckedcrew/status/1460794981623353347 <<
Assuming this isn't just simply a "compressed file" (such as a zipped file) versus the decompressed size; it if it truly is a low res version given to defense, and a HI res version of the same video used by prosecution during closing arguments, then the defendant has been denied his due process rights to a fair trial.
If I had to guess, he either gets NG on all counts, or a mistrial with prejudice. This is egregious prosecutorial misconduct, and the judge can't let it stand. The kid is a free man right now. It's over ....
One unfortunate fact: defense didn't notice the hi-res version used by prosecutors during closing -- they should have noticed, and immediately objected. But they can't be held accountable for not being video resolution experts, so the only option for the judge -- if the jury comes back with any guilty verdicts at all -- is to set aside the guilty verdicts, and issue a judgement N.O.V., or a mistrial with prejudice. Alternatively, judge stops deliberations and orders jury to return a directed NG verdict. (Both outcomes presume the defense raises the issue tomorrow morning, but they may be confident enough in the jury to not bother. But to preserve it as an appealable error, they need to make the objection.)
This is the first trial I've watched or paid much attention to since the Flynn mess. I'm more hopeful in this case being that's it's a state hack job vs a federal crap show.
That said... Kenosha should probably expect to be burned to the ground once this is all over. Maybe next time they will learn to start arresting AND prosecuting real criminals.
There's a claim the verdicts are in ...
Appears to be unconfirmed rumor. Sorry about that.
5:50 p.m. CST: Jury going home for the night, no verdict yet. -Legal Insurrection.
Anybody else get the sense it's odd for jury to retire at dinner time and not come back for post-prandial deliberations on day one?
Maybe they are on the verge of verdicts, but NOBODY wants it announced after dark in Kenosha.
OK. BTW, I'm busy reading up old Carter Page related material.
Just saw a tweet a few hours ago to the effect that jury asked for 11 more copies of ONLY pages 1-6 of jury instructions; supposedly, these pages are the ones with the instructions re: self defense.
God help any of us should we find ourselves in the cross-hairs of crooked prosecutors, those who will do or say ANYthing to get their conviction, and who have virtually unlimited resources of The State. Nothing* more dangerous to a Constitutional Republic than these prosecutors - they should be disbarred.
I wonder if the JURY is scared of the consequences of finding him NOT GUILTY.
Antifa will burn their houses and attack the families.
I think a hung jury is the most likely outcome.
I wish I were that confident. The prosecution in the Chauvin case couldn't even prove what killed George Floyd- drugs or Chauvin's knee on his shoulder- literally no evidence was available other than the tox screen which showed Floyd with enough fentanyl in his system to kill him, and yet the jury convicted Chauvin quickly.
The prosecution's attempt to portray a baby-faced teenager as a killer who was seeking confrontation with this bunch of rioting hooligans fails the smell test. It seems the prosecution is hoping for that unmentioned, but always in the background, threat of what could happen to Kenosha should the jury not 'do the right thing.'
The jury has a tough job here. Can the individual members live with their conscience if they knuckle under to the unspoken threat of riots and property destruction? What happens as a result of the verdict they render is not on them.
As has been mentioned elsewhere, Rittenhouse would not have been in Kenosha if the elected officials had done their job of protecting persons and property. They abdicated that responsibility; and in my view they should be the one's on trial.
It's law vs radical politics now.
I wish I had faith in the law now -- after watching the extent radical politics has dominated our country these past few years, I'm trying not to get my hopes too high that justice will be served in this case.
I concur. I’ve totally lost respect in any way/shape/form for the legal institutions, the medical field in its entirety, & sadly the U.S. military.
Bottom line: politics ruins everything.
And of course KR was entitled to accept the representations of the manufacturer at to barrel length if the barrel didn't appear obviously less than 16". After all S&W is highly regulated by the Feds--who should know if they were making illegal rifles.
Do you really think "the most liberal people" think that?
It seems that they actually think people SHOULD be willing to take beatings. Not themselves, of course, but others should totally be willing to "take one for equity."