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Fascinating conversation between AC and AM on the Duran who decipher the “déluge” King Macron has just suffered. It’s all very interesting, including AC’s conjecture that Mac is taking the opportunity to either pull a Sanchez move (PM Spain) and defeat the odds and win a parliamentary majority, or to leave the scene, in either 3 months or 3 years. At the 22min mark, AM addresses the Macron/Elensky Curse and declares the whole Ukraine project played a big part in the president’s party’s defeat. All worth a listen!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oWAINVPT1OA

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NedZeppelin's avatar

“Far Right”

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Steghorn21's avatar

There were other votes last week in Europe. Here in Switzerland, we voted on a law that would give the individual the final say in any medical treatment and protect their bodily integrity. This was aimed at stopping a repeat of the bullying and harassment aimed at non-jabbers during Covid. Of course, being Switzerland, we voted AGAINST it. It seems "My body, my choice!" only applies when it's about killing unborn babies. Sometimes I think we deserve what's coming to us.

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“In his broadcast, Macron lamented the rise of nationalism and said the election was “not a good result for the parties defending Europe. I therefore cannot act as if nothing has happened.” Remix News. In his typically tin-ear, tone-deaf fashion, Microbe completely misinterprets the results of Sunday’s EU parliamentary elections. The parties defending “Europe?” But what Europe? The Europe that issues endless diktats on the size of buttonholes, or a “Europe of nations,” of sovereign states, as De Gaulle envisioned? The EU, like our Paris on the Potomac, has become a regulatory behemoth, as we know, and more than ever engaged in censoring the free flow of news and information. Add to that the insecurity issue, felt by many in France (not so much in the heart of Paris - yet - ) and you have a heady mix of “raz-le-bol” (kinda like the “I can’t take it anymore!” scene in “Network”) of regular French. So back to the polls…the petty tyrant has just suffered a further humiliation - let’s hope he doesn’t take it out on his bête noire in Moscow.

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Steghorn21's avatar

Great comment, ML. Europe for him and his ilk is "Our Europe", which is very similar to "Our democracy". And your final point is very valid: aggressive foreign policy is the final refuge of a failed national politician.

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Mark Wauck's avatar

All of those old terms are now strictly used to gaslight.

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ML's avatar

I like Crooke’s term, in his latest discussion w the Judge, of “illiberalism” to describe what was voted against in these recent elections.

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Mark Wauck's avatar

The problem with Crooke's diagnosis--which is correct in a limited sense--is that Crooke fails to recognize the deeper underlying problem, which is that the "illiberalism" he deprecates is really the logical historical progression from the idea of popular sovereignty. I hope to expand on that thought soon.

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ML's avatar

You know, I immediately thought on hearing that term that you’d be on the case!!

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Mark Wauck's avatar

Nowadays we call it a redline. Or maybe a red flag waved at a bull.

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Cosmo T Kat's avatar

Exactly and the gaslighting is nearly uniform among the Western nations. Those people who are native born German, French, British, etc. have a pride in their country that is hundreds of years in the making. The globalists are peddling totalitarianism wrapped in a veneer of Democracy which is not at all what they intend. Democracy is rule by the mob and they do not want that they want rule by the elites only.

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ML's avatar

Exactly the “illiberalism” Crooke describes.

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Cosmo T Kat's avatar

So do the Penthouse Bolsheviks that run our government.

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Steghorn21's avatar

Probably true, Mark, but sometimes I think these people actually believe what they say. For them "democracy" is this closed universe where the voters get all their info from "trusted news sources" and diligently cast their vote for their globalist "betters".

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Yes Steg. Our learned friend Mercouris takes on the Microbe’s dangerous provocations vis à vis Ukraine in his latest video. He speculates Microbe has suffered some private slapdown or rebuke from Putin which may explain this continued ginning up of threats ( for now) to intervene directly. I can only hope that his party’s recent thrashing has more than a little to do with his support of the Zelensky quagmire…

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I love your title, Mark. Yes, once we define what the "Right" is in Europe, what "surges" means, and what the implications are, everything will be crystal clear.

The practical impact remains to be seen but I AM heartened that this is a legitimate recording of the legitimate views of the populace which cannot be gaslighted by politicians or pretended away by the media. It is an on the record rejection of Macron and Scholz and the rest of the warmongers and third-world immigration champions. It all may be too late and its effect may be mitigated by the parliamentary and elections systems in Europe. But none of these "leaders" can now claim to have the support of the people. It is a good day(s).

I would like to know specifically how much Macron's threats to send the French army into Ukraine caused the negative vote against him. I don't suppose the exit polls directly addressed that.

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It was all part of the mix, Diss. The economy is in a bad way, the immigration problem is massive and growing, and there is a massive disconnect between governed and governors. Spending billions on Ukraine and sending "nos garcons" there was probably the final straw.

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Amanda R's avatar

It is very much like rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. The EU will eventually implode. These elections are a good weather vane for how populations feel. This is from the Daily Mail which occasionally offers an honest account of life in Europe:

How Sweden became a 'haven' for mafia gangs https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13501783/How-Sweden-haven-mafia-gangs.html?ito=native_share_article-nativemenubutton

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Steghorn21's avatar

Agreed, Amanda. The EU is going down. May it be soon! The DM is a funny old rag. I still read it, but hold my nose. However, as you say, there are on occasion some revealing articles which escape the censors. It's even run a few honest ones about vaccine damage in recent months.

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Amanda R's avatar

I think with the EU the decline will be/has been inexorably slow. It's a behemoth but the fractures were there from its inception. I detest the concept of an homogenised Europe. As for DM - I think its one of the few that still has the odd editor who believes in reporting. What's interesting is the comments section - many reports now have openly anti narrative comments allowed. It's as if they're gauging the public mood now and to see what we're still buying.

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Steghorn21's avatar

I'm a Brit who lives in Switzerland, and we've always voted against joining the EU, Thank God. It's turned into an out-of-control juggernaut that acts like a sovereign state. Paradoxically, this megalomania and bureaucratic over-reach will be its downfall. Yes, the DM does throw some surprises, and the comments are usually based.

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Mark Wauck's avatar

A healthy society needs cultural defenses, but liberalism unilaterally disarms.

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Steghorn21's avatar

Yes. A healthy society has to marginalise the crazies.

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Steghorn21's avatar

Voting in the EU elections is a bit like voting in the US: a way of venting anger and frustration rather than a vehicle for real change.

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Mark Wauck's avatar

I was curious how that fund raiser would work out, because Sacks has been very solid re Ukraine and, when the topic has arisen, has been forthright on Gaza, too. Trump's approach is disturbing because at a certain point you do have to govern based on your campaign rhetoric and on the desires of the people who put you there.

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Chuck l's avatar

Do you Have someone better?

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Mark Wauck's avatar

Right. If you think, as I do, that these geopolitical issues are hugely important--and, as a practical matter, need to be addressed before we get to the even bigger cultural issues--then Trump's opacity (at best) on issues of war and peace is terribly disturbing.

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