It’s worth pointing out that a strike on the Iranian nuclear sites will almost certainly result in thousands of American deaths at bases throughout the Middle East, and cost the United States tens of billions of dollars. The cost of future acts of terrorIsm on American soil may be even higher. Those aren’t guesses. Those are the Pentagon’s own estimates. A bombing campaign against Iran will set off a war, and it will be America’s war. Don’t let the propagandists lie to you.
Just as the war with Ukraine may be winding down, Trump and Rubio want to start one with Iran? Perpetual war seems to be in the American blood. Gotta feed the MIC.
It's what feeds their extending families and friends while we are driven nuts by uncertainty and possible massive upheaval and chaos at home. The positives out of
DOGE are not enough to fool all the people all the time only some of the people some of the time.
It seems possible US will attack Yemen and possibly Iran and Israel will stay out of it, so Israel may have an excuse to avoid a counter attack from an armed enemy
But Israel will attack unarmed Gaza civilian population
Also appears Trump made a pre emptive attack on Yemen knowing Israel planned to start bombing civilians in Gaza earlier today
I did not see the slaughter in Gaza that took place earlier today coming I thought we were done with widespread bombing and slaughter of civilians I think polymarket had the odds of Gaza ceasefire ending before April at 30% just two days ago
Mark, in my dotage I’m not sure if you referenced Prof Sach’s conversation w the Judge yesterday- he discusses both Khalil and the bombing of the Houthis. I’ve never seen Sachs so fervent and emotional on the subject of Israeli fanatics’ (Netanyahu, Smotrich et al) control of our government and institutions (univerand courts). After the clip of Rubio on the bombing of Yemen, reading from the standard script, Sachs pounced, “He works for Netenyahu…that’s the beginning and the end of this.” He pleads once again for an “American” foreign policy (he applauds Trump’s efforts in Ukraine to end the conflict) and warns that we follow Israel’s “orders” to our peril. He says Net is destroying Israel and could very well destroy our country too. At 15:00 mark, but the whole thing is riveting.
Netanyahu is indeed destroying Israel. Oct 7th was at the very least a LIHOP to allow the crazies to push on with the Greater Israel project. They are cock-a-hoop right now but they have over-reached. If I were Israeli and had a double passport, I'd get out asap.
I wonder if the leaders in Iran are aware of the Western "straw man" argument/fallacy technique. Since they are almost always and invariably the subjects of it they should definitely become aware of it.
Back in the early '50s my dad enlisted in the U.S. Air Force (after college). I never learned why he did this. He had an academic background in languages, so they determined that he should learn Russian and put him in a program to do so. To my knowledge he never ended up applying that learning in service to the U.S. government but if he had I guess he wouldn't have told me.
It makes me wonder if there is a mass scramble now to teach U.S intel and military personnel Farsi? Or do they simply not care what the Iranian govt positions are and what their intelligence agencies are saying? I have a sinking feeling that the U.S actions re: Iran are far ahead of any understanding of that country or of the implications of those actions. I hope I am wrong.
Trump is hard to figure out - eg: he makes these statements - all hell to pay if the hostages are not all returned by Saturday - then ignores it
or Zelensky is a dictator - then ignores it - replied something to the effect of - oh, did I say that ? to a reporter
Initially I thought maybe his pride would be on the line, maybe he would not say something and not follow through - but it seems like he absolutely does not care about not following through
- thick skin & knows thin memory of most of the public
I opine Trump just says stuff to get and guage a reaction, a bit of a fishing expedition.
And Trump just does stuff to see what happens (eg: bombing Yemen)
I think Trump is just fishing with the Houthis and fishing with Iran - tossing out a line with a little bit of bait and see if he gets a bite
- My opinion of Rubio has always been a poor one, Frankly did not understand how he got the job, --- and he [Rubio] may just be used for bait -
Since day 1 most everyone on this board has agreed Ukraine is a no win situation
Trump knows that I am sure
BUT Trump has to convince the US citizens that he is not just folding and weak
He was the host of a game show the apprentice, many years ago
Now the lead in a new show, new episode almost daily , he knows how to play to the crowd.
Im really not taking to heart his threats or much of what he says anymore
not a criticism, just appears to be his style and it has worked for him
Trump has to convince the US citizens he is not just folding to Russia
How annoyed would the US citizenry be if Trump did walk away from Ukraine? I'm not sure they'd be that incandescent. Maybe for a few weeks, yes, but it would soon be forgotten. Iran may be a different matter.
What does "the US citizenry" think -- make that feel -- about Iran, and how did they come to think that? I've read 2 of Hegseth's books & have zero regard for him; he's not as smart as he thinks he is, sloppy personal behavior, a born again Christian & super zionist. He hates Iran. Why? He was in Iraq. Do men who were in Iraq hate Iran because of IEDs etc?
Trump knows Russia has the greatest Military strength worldwide
lets face it 1 million + soldiers fully experienced and hardened in daily combat for 2 years - fighting on their home field - no one can match it - no one can come close
- and to make matters worse for the US and EU
Russia war weapon production cannot be matched in quantity and cost;
Russia war technology constantly evolving , drones but also hypersonic and oreshnik Neither of which does the US have -
But Trump cannot say this not publicly at least
[ Most of the Chumps in the media including Reporter Seymour Hersh are still calling this a Stalemate ]
Sad to say Hersh used to be an excellent reporter , with factual content in his missives - My Lai / William Calley et al . Not anymore , he is now just another opinionated older generation left leaning mouthpiece .
I think Hersh is an overrated hack. He’s been fed information to burnish his credentials. Always be mindful these people plants stories pro-con to move the proles. American MSM is about protection, deceit and corruption all laced with propaganda and disinformation.
Agreed. I'd subscribed to his Substack briefly on the strength of his Nord Stream "revelations" (we already knew it wasn't the Russians, but he seemed to have better info that most), which, upon assessing his other recent work, were clearly placed with him for dissemination. Aside from that one piece, he is now, basically, a gossip columnist for the Georgetown-cocktail-party set and is no longer fed any real "dirt."
"opinionated older generation ..." person who developed specific skills that earned him praise & wealth. A lot like Trump. Who is almost as old as Biden. DJT's mind is more flexible, but still on the decline end of the scale, not the 'learning new things.' Maybe Trump says and does the things he does because he's old, and his old routines are the only ones he can access. Same reason he's slavishly committed to Israel & Jewish influencers surrounding him: it's like muscle-memory.
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It’s worth pointing out that a strike on the Iranian nuclear sites will almost certainly result in thousands of American deaths at bases throughout the Middle East, and cost the United States tens of billions of dollars. The cost of future acts of terrorIsm on American soil may be even higher. Those aren’t guesses. Those are the Pentagon’s own estimates. A bombing campaign against Iran will set off a war, and it will be America’s war. Don’t let the propagandists lie to you.
Just as the war with Ukraine may be winding down, Trump and Rubio want to start one with Iran? Perpetual war seems to be in the American blood. Gotta feed the MIC.
It's what feeds their extending families and friends while we are driven nuts by uncertainty and possible massive upheaval and chaos at home. The positives out of
DOGE are not enough to fool all the people all the time only some of the people some of the time.
Frightening
It seems possible US will attack Yemen and possibly Iran and Israel will stay out of it, so Israel may have an excuse to avoid a counter attack from an armed enemy
But Israel will attack unarmed Gaza civilian population
Also appears Trump made a pre emptive attack on Yemen knowing Israel planned to start bombing civilians in Gaza earlier today
I did not see the slaughter in Gaza that took place earlier today coming I thought we were done with widespread bombing and slaughter of civilians I think polymarket had the odds of Gaza ceasefire ending before April at 30% just two days ago
Mark, in my dotage I’m not sure if you referenced Prof Sach’s conversation w the Judge yesterday- he discusses both Khalil and the bombing of the Houthis. I’ve never seen Sachs so fervent and emotional on the subject of Israeli fanatics’ (Netanyahu, Smotrich et al) control of our government and institutions (univerand courts). After the clip of Rubio on the bombing of Yemen, reading from the standard script, Sachs pounced, “He works for Netenyahu…that’s the beginning and the end of this.” He pleads once again for an “American” foreign policy (he applauds Trump’s efforts in Ukraine to end the conflict) and warns that we follow Israel’s “orders” to our peril. He says Net is destroying Israel and could very well destroy our country too. At 15:00 mark, but the whole thing is riveting.
https://judgenap.com/
I did watch that and was amazed at his fervor. I'd wondered, when I saw the preview notice, whether he'd pull any punches at all re speech. He didn't.
Yes, he was adamant on both topics and very moving.
Netanyahu is indeed destroying Israel. Oct 7th was at the very least a LIHOP to allow the crazies to push on with the Greater Israel project. They are cock-a-hoop right now but they have over-reached. If I were Israeli and had a double passport, I'd get out asap.
I wonder if the leaders in Iran are aware of the Western "straw man" argument/fallacy technique. Since they are almost always and invariably the subjects of it they should definitely become aware of it.
I’m sure they know that we are carrying out Israeli foreign policy, so to speak; today it’s the Houthis, tomorrow…
Yes, they would be fools not to make that assumption.
I'm sure they are, Diss, and it probably sounds pretty cool in Farsi.
Steg, perhaps so!
Back in the early '50s my dad enlisted in the U.S. Air Force (after college). I never learned why he did this. He had an academic background in languages, so they determined that he should learn Russian and put him in a program to do so. To my knowledge he never ended up applying that learning in service to the U.S. government but if he had I guess he wouldn't have told me.
It makes me wonder if there is a mass scramble now to teach U.S intel and military personnel Farsi? Or do they simply not care what the Iranian govt positions are and what their intelligence agencies are saying? I have a sinking feeling that the U.S actions re: Iran are far ahead of any understanding of that country or of the implications of those actions. I hope I am wrong.
Trump is hard to figure out - eg: he makes these statements - all hell to pay if the hostages are not all returned by Saturday - then ignores it
or Zelensky is a dictator - then ignores it - replied something to the effect of - oh, did I say that ? to a reporter
Initially I thought maybe his pride would be on the line, maybe he would not say something and not follow through - but it seems like he absolutely does not care about not following through
- thick skin & knows thin memory of most of the public
I opine Trump just says stuff to get and guage a reaction, a bit of a fishing expedition.
And Trump just does stuff to see what happens (eg: bombing Yemen)
I think Trump is just fishing with the Houthis and fishing with Iran - tossing out a line with a little bit of bait and see if he gets a bite
- My opinion of Rubio has always been a poor one, Frankly did not understand how he got the job, --- and he [Rubio] may just be used for bait -
Since day 1 most everyone on this board has agreed Ukraine is a no win situation
Trump knows that I am sure
BUT Trump has to convince the US citizens that he is not just folding and weak
He was the host of a game show the apprentice, many years ago
Now the lead in a new show, new episode almost daily , he knows how to play to the crowd.
Im really not taking to heart his threats or much of what he says anymore
not a criticism, just appears to be his style and it has worked for him
Trump has to convince the US citizens he is not just folding to Russia
I think his bravado is his way of trying that
How annoyed would the US citizenry be if Trump did walk away from Ukraine? I'm not sure they'd be that incandescent. Maybe for a few weeks, yes, but it would soon be forgotten. Iran may be a different matter.
What does "the US citizenry" think -- make that feel -- about Iran, and how did they come to think that? I've read 2 of Hegseth's books & have zero regard for him; he's not as smart as he thinks he is, sloppy personal behavior, a born again Christian & super zionist. He hates Iran. Why? He was in Iraq. Do men who were in Iraq hate Iran because of IEDs etc?
PDJT's see-saw words and behavior result in him losing integrity and respect around the world.
Agreed but I try to see ' Trump View '
Trump knows Russia has the greatest Military strength worldwide
lets face it 1 million + soldiers fully experienced and hardened in daily combat for 2 years - fighting on their home field - no one can match it - no one can come close
- and to make matters worse for the US and EU
Russia war weapon production cannot be matched in quantity and cost;
Russia war technology constantly evolving , drones but also hypersonic and oreshnik Neither of which does the US have -
But Trump cannot say this not publicly at least
[ Most of the Chumps in the media including Reporter Seymour Hersh are still calling this a Stalemate ]
Sad to say Hersh used to be an excellent reporter , with factual content in his missives - My Lai / William Calley et al . Not anymore , he is now just another opinionated older generation left leaning mouthpiece .
I think Hersh is an overrated hack. He’s been fed information to burnish his credentials. Always be mindful these people plants stories pro-con to move the proles. American MSM is about protection, deceit and corruption all laced with propaganda and disinformation.
Agreed. I'd subscribed to his Substack briefly on the strength of his Nord Stream "revelations" (we already knew it wasn't the Russians, but he seemed to have better info that most), which, upon assessing his other recent work, were clearly placed with him for dissemination. Aside from that one piece, he is now, basically, a gossip columnist for the Georgetown-cocktail-party set and is no longer fed any real "dirt."
Indeed. You made me laugh.....gossip columnist, that's a zinger!
"opinionated older generation ..." person who developed specific skills that earned him praise & wealth. A lot like Trump. Who is almost as old as Biden. DJT's mind is more flexible, but still on the decline end of the scale, not the 'learning new things.' Maybe Trump says and does the things he does because he's old, and his old routines are the only ones he can access. Same reason he's slavishly committed to Israel & Jewish influencers surrounding him: it's like muscle-memory.
Gay Rubio
Professional mouthpiece
Blinken bis
Blinken's rent boy.