I’m not sure that the “nuke it all and start over” mentality-notwithstanding how totally, irresponsibly and suicidal the idea is-isn’t alive and well in the minds of these imbeciles. They are so detached from reality that the idea of a full blown nuclear exchange between Russia and the US seems like a perfectly reasonable goal. Wonder if they have ever even heard of MAD? “Sure we’ve heard of MAD, it’s a satirical magazine started back in the 60’s. What does that have to do with what’s going on today?”
No, dumbasses, the other MAD that kept the world from pursuing the path that you clowns are following now!! Never mind, you wouldn’t understand.
Hey Lindsay, your tombstone is going to read, “50 million people died so you could show the Russian’s that you meant business”
I don’t know, kinda looks like the world may end with a “bang” after all.
Speaking of MAD, could it be that the MIC decided that with MAD no one would be dumb enough to get into a war with a nuclear power so they decided to make the most complex and profitable systems they could knowing they would never go against a peer. Then for 60 years we sold them as the best most advanced weapons systems on Earth and then forgot they wouldn't hold up against a peer in a long war of attrition.
So . . . in the year 2023 being a U. S. Senator means one must necessarily be a warmonger. OK, so let's change the name of that body of 100 'distinguished statesmen' to the U. S. Warmongerate.
Has anyone from US officialdom even addressed the Russians' claim that the Reaper's transponder was turned off in a designated flight zone where one is specifically required? All I have heard was that the drone was operating in international airspace. Of course, I might have missed something.
It's crazy, though, that even skeptics of US-media calls for retaliation have been focused on finding more facts on WHERE the drone was (int'l or RU airspace) than whether it was flying incognito in flagrant violation of airspace regulations. If I were the Russians, I'd assume a nefarious purpose and buzz it, as well.
"As to the balance of Tucker's monologue, it's a pure reflection of how the country, society, the culture is captured by fads and fashions of the moment--novelties of the day that become irrational obsessions irrespective of, well, anything meaningful, substantive or the truth, i.e., the 'democracy of the mob.'"
Yes, but when all is said and done I think it will turn out to have been a reflection of the Elite's lust for money and power. Everything else is noise.
Interestingly, today witnessed conversations between, first, Russian defense minister Shoigu and US defense secretary Austin, and then Russian military chief Gerasimov and American military chief Milley.
I bet those chats didn't go as the American side hoped they might.
I mean, didn’t Joe (pardon, Zhou) recently shoot an arrow into the air and take out a Chinese craft of some type (blimp - weather balloon or spy vehicle? ) Why wouldn’t the Russians be justified in downing a real threat to their sovereignty, flying under the radar near their big naval base and taking pictures to send to Russia’s adversaries? Earth to Lindsey?
Gday all! There are no coincidences... failure to Sanction Russia into submission exposes the failing Dollar and related International cabal. *Power corrupts, absolute power absolutely: Money=Power. Evil will pursue power and $: corruptible man (_____ gender claim goes here) falls for it. Guess I had to get my gloom for the day outta my system... Best to you Mark and all your thoughtful readers! (WrH)
I am confident this action was planned by Russia in advance. They chose the time and place to bring the drone down because they had their naval recovery vessels already in place to pick up the wreckage. If Russia recovers the intelligence sensors on that bird it will be able to analyze and develop counter measures to hinder future collection.
I think the United States and NATO are going to rethink their use of drones in the Black Sea area of operations. Russia laid down a clear marker that it is not going to allow untrammeled intelligence collection that can be used for planning and operations against Russian forces.
This is not a video game. Russia, from its perspective, is defending its homeland. As I mentioned in my previous piece, how would we react if Russian drones were flying along the Mexican/U.S. border collecting intelligence on the deployment of U.S. border forces and passing that information to the Mexican drug cartels, who in turn would use that information to flood the weak points of our border with illegal migrants? Americans would be rightly outraged. So why do we think we can do what we are doing and expect the Russians to roll over like a beaten dog and do nothing?
"As I mentioned in my previous piece, how would we react if Russian drones were flying along the Mexican/U.S. border collecting intelligence on the deployment of U.S. border forces and passing that information to the Mexican drug cartels, who in turn would use that information to flood the weak points of our border with illegal migrants?"
Good question.
I am still working in the tech industry albeit at a semi-retired pace. My previous employer was focused on Military and Defense. I noticed a big uptick and focus on updating radar systems when the military budget spigot was opened up again late in Obama's second term after several years of a budget freeze. I suspected the focus on radar was likely tied to defense of the homeland and invasions of our airspace with such things as drones and other high altitude reconnaissance and intelligence collection devices or aircraft. This made me question how China could have flown anything in our airspace without detection and reaction. So, I agree patriotic Americans would be outraged and we were, but not our NEOCONS in this administration. The arrogance of these NEOCONS is insulting to any decent person on the planet.
Interesting article from Larry (Johnson). Thanks once again, Mark.
I am particularly struck by his reporting the downed American Drone (Innocently flyin' around the Russian ships engaging in military activities) had TURNED OFF it's IFF transponder. I'd think ANY aircraft doing such would be considered a threat, let alone a Drone well known as being used to collect data given to one side of the combatants involved. The US is not excluded from such a reality, altho' that's what our leadership wants us financiers - I mean taxpayers - I mean Loyal Comrades (there I go again) Patriotic Citizens to believe.
Finally, and I'll be quite for a while again, I noted a commenter to Larry's article reminding all that this represents tyrannical behavior that our 2nd amendment was written to protect us from. Can it even be possible this country might be able to recover, in what ever manner, to our Constitutional Based foundation of Governance? Blessing to all - remain grounded in Faith. (WrH)
Obviously the problem was the drone was not painted with the pride flag. If it was the Russians would have not dared down the drone due to fear of the backlash.
Man, Ray, you are in a generous mood today. Checkers? Don’t think that they could handle the intricacies and nuances of the game of checkers. Nope I’m thinking Jacks with the cute little bouncy ball and shiny metal objects to pickup.
And what's all this malarkey about dropping fuel or mid-air collision? I think it's obvious the sneaky Russkie tactic to take down the US drone was to turn on a super-powerful loudspeaker and broadcast incorrect pronouns at it!
If you look closely at the footage, it shows two separate passes of the Russian acft at the drone. There is a period of pixelation at the ~29-37 seconds point, then the second pass is shown.
After the second pass, look closely at the drone propeller, you will see the bent blade.
You are right. Was the blade bent due to turbulence, or if was actually hit. And if turbulence, was it due to some evasive action by the drone? The pixelation is suspicious.
Loss of satellite uplink, explains the video breakup. I have giant skepticism of the subsequent video. I don't know for sure if the MQ-9's prop has composite blades or not, if so, and that appears to be the case, a blade will not bend. Another big red flag is that one blade looks to be feathered, that is very unlikely, FAKE, FAKE, FAKE!!!
Washington DC opened the border. They made a deal with the cartels. They created a big new "crisis" on the southern border. Soon, Washington DC will "create a solution" for our southern border problem. All hell will break loose and then Mexico will become the "crisis" on our southern border. Then Washington DC will create a "solution" ..............and on and on it goes. Hope that helps
Mark: "How 'bout US politicians 'pivot' -- to America."
Maoz: "This!"
I’m not sure that the “nuke it all and start over” mentality-notwithstanding how totally, irresponsibly and suicidal the idea is-isn’t alive and well in the minds of these imbeciles. They are so detached from reality that the idea of a full blown nuclear exchange between Russia and the US seems like a perfectly reasonable goal. Wonder if they have ever even heard of MAD? “Sure we’ve heard of MAD, it’s a satirical magazine started back in the 60’s. What does that have to do with what’s going on today?”
No, dumbasses, the other MAD that kept the world from pursuing the path that you clowns are following now!! Never mind, you wouldn’t understand.
Hey Lindsay, your tombstone is going to read, “50 million people died so you could show the Russian’s that you meant business”
I don’t know, kinda looks like the world may end with a “bang” after all.
Speaking of MAD, could it be that the MIC decided that with MAD no one would be dumb enough to get into a war with a nuclear power so they decided to make the most complex and profitable systems they could knowing they would never go against a peer. Then for 60 years we sold them as the best most advanced weapons systems on Earth and then forgot they wouldn't hold up against a peer in a long war of attrition.
So . . . in the year 2023 being a U. S. Senator means one must necessarily be a warmonger. OK, so let's change the name of that body of 100 'distinguished statesmen' to the U. S. Warmongerate.
Has anyone from US officialdom even addressed the Russians' claim that the Reaper's transponder was turned off in a designated flight zone where one is specifically required? All I have heard was that the drone was operating in international airspace. Of course, I might have missed something.
That's very true.
It's crazy, though, that even skeptics of US-media calls for retaliation have been focused on finding more facts on WHERE the drone was (int'l or RU airspace) than whether it was flying incognito in flagrant violation of airspace regulations. If I were the Russians, I'd assume a nefarious purpose and buzz it, as well.
“a nefarious purpose:” participation in a proxy war against Russia on behalf of Ukraine. Fair game.
It’s our right to do what ever we want
I was commenting on what I believe to be the attitude of our rulers
Laff or cry?
https://twitter.com/NakedHedgie/status/1636104827590656005
@Forbes
"As to the balance of Tucker's monologue, it's a pure reflection of how the country, society, the culture is captured by fads and fashions of the moment--novelties of the day that become irrational obsessions irrespective of, well, anything meaningful, substantive or the truth, i.e., the 'democracy of the mob.'"
Yes, but when all is said and done I think it will turn out to have been a reflection of the Elite's lust for money and power. Everything else is noise.
He's absolutely correct. Wish there were more with his sense.
RADM Josh Painter, USN, commenting:
"This business will get out of control...and we'll be lucky to live through it."
https://youtu.be/kvNAid29vv8
Will Schryver
@imetatronink
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Interestingly, today witnessed conversations between, first, Russian defense minister Shoigu and US defense secretary Austin, and then Russian military chief Gerasimov and American military chief Milley.
I bet those chats didn't go as the American side hoped they might.
I mean, didn’t Joe (pardon, Zhou) recently shoot an arrow into the air and take out a Chinese craft of some type (blimp - weather balloon or spy vehicle? ) Why wouldn’t the Russians be justified in downing a real threat to their sovereignty, flying under the radar near their big naval base and taking pictures to send to Russia’s adversaries? Earth to Lindsey?
Because that’s them and this is us. Or something that works in our favor. Heads we win trails you lose
Gday all! There are no coincidences... failure to Sanction Russia into submission exposes the failing Dollar and related International cabal. *Power corrupts, absolute power absolutely: Money=Power. Evil will pursue power and $: corruptible man (_____ gender claim goes here) falls for it. Guess I had to get my gloom for the day outta my system... Best to you Mark and all your thoughtful readers! (WrH)
Macgregor on Tucker last night:
https://www.mediamatters.org/tucker-carlson/tucker-carlson-guest-douglas-macgregor-claims-war-ukraine-was-not-started-russia
https://sonar21.com/can-we-stop-playing-make-believe-where-are-the-adults-when-it-comes-to-ukraine/
Excerpt:
I am confident this action was planned by Russia in advance. They chose the time and place to bring the drone down because they had their naval recovery vessels already in place to pick up the wreckage. If Russia recovers the intelligence sensors on that bird it will be able to analyze and develop counter measures to hinder future collection.
I think the United States and NATO are going to rethink their use of drones in the Black Sea area of operations. Russia laid down a clear marker that it is not going to allow untrammeled intelligence collection that can be used for planning and operations against Russian forces.
This is not a video game. Russia, from its perspective, is defending its homeland. As I mentioned in my previous piece, how would we react if Russian drones were flying along the Mexican/U.S. border collecting intelligence on the deployment of U.S. border forces and passing that information to the Mexican drug cartels, who in turn would use that information to flood the weak points of our border with illegal migrants? Americans would be rightly outraged. So why do we think we can do what we are doing and expect the Russians to roll over like a beaten dog and do nothing?
"As I mentioned in my previous piece, how would we react if Russian drones were flying along the Mexican/U.S. border collecting intelligence on the deployment of U.S. border forces and passing that information to the Mexican drug cartels, who in turn would use that information to flood the weak points of our border with illegal migrants?"
Good question.
I am still working in the tech industry albeit at a semi-retired pace. My previous employer was focused on Military and Defense. I noticed a big uptick and focus on updating radar systems when the military budget spigot was opened up again late in Obama's second term after several years of a budget freeze. I suspected the focus on radar was likely tied to defense of the homeland and invasions of our airspace with such things as drones and other high altitude reconnaissance and intelligence collection devices or aircraft. This made me question how China could have flown anything in our airspace without detection and reaction. So, I agree patriotic Americans would be outraged and we were, but not our NEOCONS in this administration. The arrogance of these NEOCONS is insulting to any decent person on the planet.
Interesting article from Larry (Johnson). Thanks once again, Mark.
I am particularly struck by his reporting the downed American Drone (Innocently flyin' around the Russian ships engaging in military activities) had TURNED OFF it's IFF transponder. I'd think ANY aircraft doing such would be considered a threat, let alone a Drone well known as being used to collect data given to one side of the combatants involved. The US is not excluded from such a reality, altho' that's what our leadership wants us financiers - I mean taxpayers - I mean Loyal Comrades (there I go again) Patriotic Citizens to believe.
Finally, and I'll be quite for a while again, I noted a commenter to Larry's article reminding all that this represents tyrannical behavior that our 2nd amendment was written to protect us from. Can it even be possible this country might be able to recover, in what ever manner, to our Constitutional Based foundation of Governance? Blessing to all - remain grounded in Faith. (WrH)
Russia playing chess again,
While US plays checkers.
Obviously the problem was the drone was not painted with the pride flag. If it was the Russians would have not dared down the drone due to fear of the backlash.
Interesting if true:
https://www.voltairenet.org/article185860.html
Man, Ray, you are in a generous mood today. Checkers? Don’t think that they could handle the intricacies and nuances of the game of checkers. Nope I’m thinking Jacks with the cute little bouncy ball and shiny metal objects to pickup.
Yep, that is more in line with their abilities.
Tiddly-winks.
And what's all this malarkey about dropping fuel or mid-air collision? I think it's obvious the sneaky Russkie tactic to take down the US drone was to turn on a super-powerful loudspeaker and broadcast incorrect pronouns at it!
I’m pretty sure that using incorrect pronouns over a loudspeaker is prohibited by the Geneva Convention! -;)
What a concept Ray!
Here's a link to what is purportedly the video of the encounter between the Russian bird and the US drone. (or could it be a deep fake...?)
https://twitter.com/guyelster/status/1636303898267746307?s=20
When you think of mid-air collisions, and potentially parts breaking off and being ingested into the mouth of jet engines, it seems to me, if actual :
1. The Russian pilot was extremely lucky in an accidental close encounter
or,
2. The Russian pilot was extremely foolhardy in attempting to just "tap" the drone's prop
Drone footage only shows the release of jet fuel. Sec Defense Austin showed the same video. I did not see the propeller being hit.
https://youtu.be/EOlnqg0Nl0Y
Some guesses:
1. The drone was on autopilot and piloting was taken over by a real person that made a mistake.
2. Drone piloting software made a mistake. May be an anti collision programming.
Ray,
If you look closely at the footage, it shows two separate passes of the Russian acft at the drone. There is a period of pixelation at the ~29-37 seconds point, then the second pass is shown.
After the second pass, look closely at the drone propeller, you will see the bent blade.
You are right. Was the blade bent due to turbulence, or if was actually hit. And if turbulence, was it due to some evasive action by the drone? The pixelation is suspicious.
Loss of satellite uplink, explains the video breakup. I have giant skepticism of the subsequent video. I don't know for sure if the MQ-9's prop has composite blades or not, if so, and that appears to be the case, a blade will not bend. Another big red flag is that one blade looks to be feathered, that is very unlikely, FAKE, FAKE, FAKE!!!
Washington DC opened the border. They made a deal with the cartels. They created a big new "crisis" on the southern border. Soon, Washington DC will "create a solution" for our southern border problem. All hell will break loose and then Mexico will become the "crisis" on our southern border. Then Washington DC will create a "solution" ..............and on and on it goes. Hope that helps