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ML's avatar

Hey, remember “Extending Russia,” also from our friends at Rand? How’d that work out? Russia has indeed extended, or grown, economically, militarily and spiritually…while the brain trust at Rand doubles down on more of the same. Utterly clueless, paranoid ideologues.

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Mark Wauck's avatar

Ideologues don't learn from mistakes because they simply don't acknowledge that their ideology is mistaken. They keep pursuing the same goals, only changing tactics. Maybe.

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ML's avatar

Yes, maybe not even changing tactics, as we see the same attempt to stoke resentment and conflict in Georgia…Ukraine bis repetita.

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Robert Fausti's avatar

Concur. Like the part of alienating the population of "deplorables." Who do you think traditionally made up the majority of the US Armed Forces?

The rest of the report....what a joke. A casual observer could have reported the same.

for the USA To fight a major war today....

Industrial base..... insufficient

Logistical base...insufficient

Cultural base....insufficient

Intelligent governmental spending allocations......HAHAHAHAH

Military strength and cohesion. insufficient

Capability and capacity of allies...insufficient

Military and civilian leadership....insufficient

Nuclear Capability....sufficient.

Many have said, for years, that The US Armed Forces were good only to bomb and attack Third world countries who did not have the strength to give a decent initial defence.

But.

Maybe if war was declared and we suffered a mid-sized ground defeat and a sinking of an aircraft carrier... and.....then the enemy left us alone for two years...

Then the USA would have enough time to realize the stupidity and weakness of throwing away its traditional culture and also have enough time to re-tool and build up capacity/capability.

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Mark Wauck's avatar

Arnaud Bertrand @RnaudBertrand

To my knowledge, this is the first time we hear such a senior US official as Mark Milley (Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff until last year) admit that "it's clear we are in a multipolar world", with "3 great powers: the US, China and Russia".

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ML's avatar

Wow! Russia wasn’t supposed to make the cut!

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Antiwar7's avatar

Luckily, there's no way they can pull that off. I call them the Incompetent Evil Empire.

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Mike richards's avatar

The concept of an ‘indispensible nation’ has the tinge of the odor of the hubris behind zionist ethnocentrism, and hubris leads to adventurism and poor judgment.

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johnycomelately's avatar

War economy with the backing of civil society, sounds eerily like the Ukraine.

It’s interesting the Western media hasn’t covered the forced conscription going on in the Ukraine, maybe because it’s coming to a theatre near you?

I wonder if socialists, Gays and Transvestites will be the Western equivalent of Azov.

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Bob C.'s avatar

Nazi's in drag! Lol!!

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Alec's avatar

1) nuke the rand corporation

2) america is over, but like every empire that came before it, it won't go out without a war that decisively puts an end to it.

3) The military can't recruit because nobody supports the adventurism and warmongering. Big drafts will result in big fragging.

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St's avatar

Exactly US is not Ukraine. There are 600 million guns on the street many can shoot a half a mile plus. You'd have to force conscript the "recruiters" it would be such a dangerous position.

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AmericanCardigan's avatar

Now I get why I've been seeing more commercials in the past 2 years that suggest "Invest in Gold now" to secure your financial future.

These people are nuts. Bad assumptions all around. I don't see the people of the U.S. signing up for this even if their representatives are bought.

Yeah, lets mix it up in the Pacific with China... we don't need them for trade purposes anymore. Right. No wonder we have 700 military bases scattered around the globe. Forward force projection to keep our hegemony top of everyone's mind.

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Richard C. Cook's avatar

Thanks Mark. If you have time check out my book "Our Country Then and Now" which explains that the Council on Foreign Relations put forth a plan for total global US military hegemony in 1940-1941. That was three-quarters of a century ago. So what has changed?

You can order it here: https://www.amazon.com/Our-Country-Then-Richard-Cook/dp/1949762858

And oh, by the way, the US military and Big Pharma have gone to considerable pains to destroy the health of the American people with their COVID vax "Scamdemic" over the past four years. But they now expect us depleted Americans to give our all for more of their globalist wars. Or else--or else what?-- or else they're going to kick our butts I guess. What a swell group of guys--and gals--and whatever else they are. Actually, Mark, I think this country is dead meat.

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Ray-SoCa's avatar

Missing in the above are the words / topics:

- sanctions

- dollar

- reserve currency

- Covid

- defense industry break up

- military industrial complex (corruption of revolving door)

- incompetence of senior military leadership - gentlemen warriors with promotion dependent on degrees has failed

- education disfunction

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Mark Wauck's avatar

The final sentence

"What may head all this off is the coming economic and financial reckoning."

was intended to cover most of that.

This post was mostly supposed to cover the mind set of the Anglo-Zionist establishment in America--in that regard, check out the personnel at Rand--rather than the likelihood that their schemes can succeed. It should be clear to most readers that those schemes will not succeed.

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Ray-SoCa's avatar

My take on the uniparty mindset is just throw more money on it.

What I found interesting is the blind spots. I’ve not read the report, just your summary.

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Mark Wauck's avatar

Blind spots are of the very nature of ideology--as opposed to the love of wisdom, philosophia. Ideology is about the will to power and domination. As such it must simplify, which entails blind spots--unquestionable certitudes. If you check out the backgrounds of the people at Rand you will find a heavy Zionist presence.

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ML's avatar

“Blind spots:”

“And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?” Matthew 7:3

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AmericanCardigan's avatar

and Diversity, Inclusion, and Equity (DEI) unless that is implied in the context of "cultural".

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Ray-SoCa's avatar

Agree on dei.

I was in a hurry and that was my quick thoughts.

More thoughts:

Clinton’s lawyers ruling combat operations.

The weight issue is another challenge. Maha is so needed.

Tax system that favors outsourcing and short term thinking.

And the over priced, low effectiveness of US weapons and a broken procurement system. Weapon choices are made more on employment across multiple congressional districts, rather than effectiveness.

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It's Just Me's avatar

Well said, Ray.

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Lyon's avatar

I'm starting to think David Icke is right.

The Anglo-Zionists are reptiles wearing skin suits.

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Not an Amercian's avatar

Is it possible that all this one option only policy making and the need to call for the draft and spend quadrillions the US doesn't have is not about perpetuating a global hegemony or creating an unbeatable (woke) force to defend US national interests?

Maybe wars are no longer meant to be won.

The clue to what's going on may be essentially gearing up to putting the nation on a war footing with all the bells and whistles that that brings. Like States of Emergency and assuming unconstitutional Emergency Powers.

Anyone else see the US (and not forgetting its allies) on the wrong side of Iron Curtain 2.0?

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Antipodes's avatar

I'm surprised RAND did not include a hunger games in there.

That dystopian future sure sounds like their actual recommendations.

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NFO's avatar
Oct 30Edited

Rand always seems to strike me as the "Mistakes Were Made" Cleanup Crew. While the Pentagon Papers materials that Daniel Ellsberg brought forth out of Rand were legitimately scathing and damaging, every review that Rand does these days seems to be something along the lines of "here's how we do more of the same, but better (and different, you see!), the next time."

Wasn't it Rand that wargamed Ukraine in 2020-ish and showed things invariably headed south for us and potentially nuclear? What has changed? Could be mistaken, though, as it may have been an Aspen Institute (or similar) tabletop exercise.

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Texas Khaan's avatar

RAND . . . what a bunch of hacks, living in the past, promoting fantasy, at great cost. J. O. Y. = Joke's On You, you being the taxpayers, human cattle to be slaughtered, in pursuit of evil.

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Stephen McIntyre's avatar

The absolute key point in the rand corporation report is they will have to reinstate the draft. They don’t have any way around that because of recruiting problems now cultural problems here at home they will have to bring the draft back to get the Resources they need to make war.

As I want read the main function, and the only function of a centralized government and state is the necessity to be able to make war either for the defense of the country to conquer new land. that’s it. That’s all government is really for everything else is added on.

The United States Air Force did a detailed study after World War II on daylight bombing and bombing in general and found that while it was effective up to a point it could not on its all when a war ultimately ground troops have to come in and physically fight to take the territory over.

That in a crux is the problem here we don’t have the resources for a ground war that would have to be fault. We are stretched thin with 800 military bases around the world. We do not have a standing army capable of fighting for any length of time at all. A launch of hypersonic missiles can literally take out a carrier group task force.

There is no way this country can fight multiple wars at all, we do not have the same resources and military mite that we had at the end of World War II. That was the absolute high point of our country military. We have bombers, drones and pushbutton war, but that only goes so far because the real nitty-gritty of all of it is a ground war with troops having to go in.

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It's Just Me's avatar

We're stretched thin, outsourced our industrial base and our young men are largely out of shape.

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Mark Wauck's avatar

They try to be a bit cagey about that, the draft, but that's definitely what they're talking about.

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