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Caitlin Johnstone @caitoz

People should probably be more aware that according to United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs, Israel hit this same hospital just a few days ago.

https://reliefweb.int/report/occupied-palestinian-territory/attacks-health-care-israel-and-occupied-palestinian-territories-12-15-october-2023

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I have refrained from commenting on this whole onset of war between Israel and Hamas over the last week because of my own lack of time, lack of specific knowledge of background and events, and because these issues and questions are so politically and emotionally charged. Also, the rule of waiting to see what shakes out is a good one. Thank you Mark for your courageous endeavors to throw light on this situation as it has unfolded and also I appreciate as always the many insightful comments put forward by this community.

All that said, with the vortex of escalation we seem to be in amidst the known knowns, the known unknowns, and the unknown unknowns that persist, I think I can reasonably state the following:

1) No one seems to want peace or de-escalation. The U.S. state department has instructed its people to refrain from using such language in their statements. Also:

"A series of statements from multiple sides point toward continued escalation, which could explode well beyond the Gaza crisis:

* Israel Ministry of Health: "The war may last a long time, prepare an emergency stock of food for 4 months."

* Iranian Foreign Minister: "The expansion of the war to other fronts has begun to reach unavoidable stages."

* IDF Spokesman: "Israel is prepared on its own both in the north and in the south."

* Israeli Military Spokesman: "If Hezbollah commits a grave mistake, we will respond with devastating force never seen before." (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/israel-evacuates-residents-28-towns-near-lebanese-border-hezbollah-attacks-increase)

2) That the IDF would not be in position to prevent the initial Hamas attack on Oct 7 beggars belief. So either someone in the IDF or someone with authority over the IDF must be held responsible for that situation, along with Hamas. Israel has said they are "looking into it." Will we ever hear who was responsible for such gross negligence? What if it was purposeful rather than negligent? In this regard, thank you to the several commenters who linked to the Efrat Fennigson / Bret Weinstein interview (https://rumble.com/v3oewxb-the-israel-attacks-beyond-the-obvious-with-efrat-fenigson.html).

3) One would have to think that purposefully bombing a hospital in Gaza would in ordinary circumstances be an amazing act of evil and stupidity if done by Israel. It effectively sabotaged Biden's trip (Jordan and Palestine have already cancelled out) and put the U.S. in an incredibly difficult diplomatic position vis-a-vis Israel and the ME as a whole. That is, unless someone in the Israeli government or military WANTS all out war and believes Israel can win one. On the other hand of course, Hamas (and Iran) would have ample incentive for doing this to totally cut off Israel from the world's sympathy and the U.S.'s aid.

4) Regardless of the whos and whats and whys of all this, in the end Russia, China, and the BRICs will benefit from this conflict in the long term, and the U.S. and Israel will be damaged by it.

5) I am waiting to see where the "cooler heads" who might prevail come from. It should be a pretty simple process of elimination when you subtract those who consistently promote peace through their words and actions from those who do not.

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