Why try to convince any of the Branch Covidians of anything? Unless you are related to them by blood or marriage and can’t avoid talking to them, I see no issue in zero discourse. The growing segregation between rational thinkers and idiots/cult members is a good thing. Now we just have to develop parallel internet and state structures so they can’t cancel us.
Maybe the problem is that German thought resonated too well with man? It is much easier to construct rationalizations for the dissipated life than to follow God's commandments. It's much easier to lay around in bed on Sunday morning than to get dressed, forgo the coffee and donuts, and go to Mass. A walk through the Ten Commandments reveals a list of all the things in which man mostly delights in indulging. Water runs downhill. The Germans have always been avant garde philosophically. Why not expect them to lay the intellectual groundwork for enabling man to follow the moral path of least resistance?
Re: Berenson and the True Believers. In my mind, it's pointless to try to convince a true believer that the vaccines are dangerous as they've already had shots 1 and 2 and hurried to get the booster as soon as it was available. You'll never convince them, but you might awaken them to the fact that they've vaxxed away their future health and basically signed their own death warrants earlier than expected.
The only hope is to keep as many children and infants as possible vaccine-free. As children suffer vanishingly small side effects and are rarely Covid positive, you might have a chance to persuade their parents and grandparents. With the careers of athletes, at the peak of their physical prowess, diagnosed with career-ending injuries or dying on the field, anyone who has a child enrolled in a sports program should be questioning the relationship between the vaccines and those injuries.
This house of cards created by Fauci, Bill Gates and their ilk is beginning to show major cracks. Hopefully, it will collapse before millions of innocent lives are affected. I'd love to know whether the purveyors of Covid-porn were actually vaxxed or rely on therapeutics that they themselves tried to discredit to the rest of us.
Either way they need to be prosecuted when the truth is grasped by enough people. Humankind cannot survive this level and scope of perfidy, whatever happened to the term Weapon of Mass Destruction? It's time to dust that off and ask who precisely was complicit in the deployment of this/these weapon(s) of mass destruction? And prosecute them all. Do you think Fauci can hide behind "science" forever? I don't.
I hesitate to state the obvious here but it is quite evident that our current day "rulers" in all of the nations of the west are very happy to keep their citizens ignorant of the difference between natural (unalienable) rights and civil rights. If they can make people think that all rights are civil; i.e., granted by civil law and only civil law, then they can have full control over what rights people will have.
Here is a case where we see another pernicious result of the waning of religious instruction and belief, as well as the lack of education in our public schools about civics over the last several generations. How will people be able to understand and fight for their own human rights if they cannot understand the authority for them? And how can they do that without knowing about God and His law and gospel? As stated in the last paragraph of the excerpt we as a society have essentially abrogated our own human rights by acceding to the belief that they are granted to us by the courts and the legislature. And then we wonder why our government is becoming more and more tyrannical?
dissonant: I was going to highlight a line I liked very much in your first paragraph, but by the time I finished the second paragraph, I liked everything so much that I didn't want to focus in on any one part for fear of leaving out the other goodies. Bottom line: very nicely stated from top to bottom - I couldn't agree more.
I don't know enough of the history, for sure, but weren't our founders aware of the difference between individual rights and pure democracy without individual protections? I've read that both Adams and Jefferson warned that France was going down a dangerous road with its pure democracy (and rightly so).
Communism did win WWII, and their philosophy does not give priority to individual rights. Socialists/communists have had a major effect on the United States, and believe in "sacrifice for the greater good".
Ruling elites much prefer to do away with natural rights, they just get in the way of top-down structures.
I'm not sure how the German philosophies fit into all this...
"Communism did win WWII." Yes, from the outset. By forfeit. Churchill tried like hell to warn him, but in the end Roosevelt, lulled into childish fantasy by the extreme safety and comfort of his charmed existence in the walled-off paradise of North America, couldn't help but side with the object of his 20th Century man-crush, Uncle Joe Stalin.
I try, mostly successfully, to believe that Roosevelt really was just clueless enough to believe ol' Joe and his commie ways were a force for good in the world, and so handing him Eastern Europe on a platter was the right and enlightened thing to do. (I like to think he'd dare not defend that decision were he with us today, but then again cluelessness in power is only marginally less detestable, and often times even more deadly, than genuine evil in power.) No such benefit of the doubt goes to the despotic clowns in and out of elective office today. As you suggest, it's a cold, hard power play from the start - no idealistic, spoiled rich kid, Rooseveltian wishful thinking to be found within a thousand miles, no matter how hard you might try and look for it.
Why try to convince any of the Branch Covidians of anything? Unless you are related to them by blood or marriage and can’t avoid talking to them, I see no issue in zero discourse. The growing segregation between rational thinkers and idiots/cult members is a good thing. Now we just have to develop parallel internet and state structures so they can’t cancel us.
Maybe the problem is that German thought resonated too well with man? It is much easier to construct rationalizations for the dissipated life than to follow God's commandments. It's much easier to lay around in bed on Sunday morning than to get dressed, forgo the coffee and donuts, and go to Mass. A walk through the Ten Commandments reveals a list of all the things in which man mostly delights in indulging. Water runs downhill. The Germans have always been avant garde philosophically. Why not expect them to lay the intellectual groundwork for enabling man to follow the moral path of least resistance?
Re: Berenson and the True Believers. In my mind, it's pointless to try to convince a true believer that the vaccines are dangerous as they've already had shots 1 and 2 and hurried to get the booster as soon as it was available. You'll never convince them, but you might awaken them to the fact that they've vaxxed away their future health and basically signed their own death warrants earlier than expected.
The only hope is to keep as many children and infants as possible vaccine-free. As children suffer vanishingly small side effects and are rarely Covid positive, you might have a chance to persuade their parents and grandparents. With the careers of athletes, at the peak of their physical prowess, diagnosed with career-ending injuries or dying on the field, anyone who has a child enrolled in a sports program should be questioning the relationship between the vaccines and those injuries.
This house of cards created by Fauci, Bill Gates and their ilk is beginning to show major cracks. Hopefully, it will collapse before millions of innocent lives are affected. I'd love to know whether the purveyors of Covid-porn were actually vaxxed or rely on therapeutics that they themselves tried to discredit to the rest of us.
Either way they need to be prosecuted when the truth is grasped by enough people. Humankind cannot survive this level and scope of perfidy, whatever happened to the term Weapon of Mass Destruction? It's time to dust that off and ask who precisely was complicit in the deployment of this/these weapon(s) of mass destruction? And prosecute them all. Do you think Fauci can hide behind "science" forever? I don't.
Steve Kirsch thinks that Ca Gov Newsom had a vaccine injury, and also Biden. https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/why-did-gavin-newsom-and-family-take
I hesitate to state the obvious here but it is quite evident that our current day "rulers" in all of the nations of the west are very happy to keep their citizens ignorant of the difference between natural (unalienable) rights and civil rights. If they can make people think that all rights are civil; i.e., granted by civil law and only civil law, then they can have full control over what rights people will have.
Here is a case where we see another pernicious result of the waning of religious instruction and belief, as well as the lack of education in our public schools about civics over the last several generations. How will people be able to understand and fight for their own human rights if they cannot understand the authority for them? And how can they do that without knowing about God and His law and gospel? As stated in the last paragraph of the excerpt we as a society have essentially abrogated our own human rights by acceding to the belief that they are granted to us by the courts and the legislature. And then we wonder why our government is becoming more and more tyrannical?
dissonant: I was going to highlight a line I liked very much in your first paragraph, but by the time I finished the second paragraph, I liked everything so much that I didn't want to focus in on any one part for fear of leaving out the other goodies. Bottom line: very nicely stated from top to bottom - I couldn't agree more.
Brad, I am glad you agree and thank you for being so gracious!
Nothing wrong with stating the obvious. We overlook it all too often.
I don't know enough of the history, for sure, but weren't our founders aware of the difference between individual rights and pure democracy without individual protections? I've read that both Adams and Jefferson warned that France was going down a dangerous road with its pure democracy (and rightly so).
Communism did win WWII, and their philosophy does not give priority to individual rights. Socialists/communists have had a major effect on the United States, and believe in "sacrifice for the greater good".
Ruling elites much prefer to do away with natural rights, they just get in the way of top-down structures.
I'm not sure how the German philosophies fit into all this...
"Communism did win WWII." Yes, from the outset. By forfeit. Churchill tried like hell to warn him, but in the end Roosevelt, lulled into childish fantasy by the extreme safety and comfort of his charmed existence in the walled-off paradise of North America, couldn't help but side with the object of his 20th Century man-crush, Uncle Joe Stalin.
I try, mostly successfully, to believe that Roosevelt really was just clueless enough to believe ol' Joe and his commie ways were a force for good in the world, and so handing him Eastern Europe on a platter was the right and enlightened thing to do. (I like to think he'd dare not defend that decision were he with us today, but then again cluelessness in power is only marginally less detestable, and often times even more deadly, than genuine evil in power.) No such benefit of the doubt goes to the despotic clowns in and out of elective office today. As you suggest, it's a cold, hard power play from the start - no idealistic, spoiled rich kid, Rooseveltian wishful thinking to be found within a thousand miles, no matter how hard you might try and look for it.
I think you've hit the correct tone here Brad, very well expressed, my sentients exactly.
Thanks, Hemsley. Nice of you to say so.
The founders had a mix of views. Some were influence by more radical thinkers but others were far more traditional.
"everything is ironic and cynical.." things can't be cynical but people can. Everyone is ironic and cynical?