The problem is not the SSRIs. Just like the problem isn’t guns. It’s the fact that our society is fragmenting and people ( perhaps men more than women) feel they no longer have a place in it. So they become depressed. They act out. Leave a mark. With notoriety comes recognition and perhaps emotional relief for these outsiders.
I try very hard whenever a mass killing happens to not conflate insanity with evil. The perpetrators are evildoers, if they happen to be clinically mentally ill is almost always beside the point. When one is capable of planning and doing such evils one is therefore culpable and when found guilty should be executed after one appeal. The El Paso Wal Mart shooter has still not been tried, by now he should have been tried, convicted, executed.
So now its the drugs. If not, blame the guns. Don't you ever dare blame the poor darlings who are doing this! Personal responsibility? That was in the old days when we had a criminal justice system intent on preventing crimes or at least keeping them to a minimum. As an English jurist put it: "We do not hang horse thieves because that is the proper punishment, but that there be no horse thieves." If you want mass killings to proliferate, give the perps the publicity and understanding they crave. They become a somebody. If you can in America get solitary and no habeas corpus for questioning the results of an election (yes, a Judge did state that as the reason for keeping people in the Washington gulag) then maybe for killing more than half a dozen people at random we might impose the same as a deterrent to future massacres.
This reminded me of the book, “Anatomy of an Epidemic: Magic Bullets, Psychiatric Drugs, and the Astonishing Rise of Mental Illness in America” which I read years ago but still think of occasionally. There was a memorable story of a woman who struggled to get off of prescription anti-depressant drugs. She felt they were addictive and dulled her senses and ability to cope with life. It was difficult but she succeeded and felt she was better off.
The idea that pharmaceutical companies would promote addictive drugs that don’t really help—or which make things worse—doesn’t seem so shocking today. I am going to read this book again.
Definitely not, many people take these things for years and it doesn't turn them into killers. The brain does what it can to maintain a state of equilibrium, and if you stop taking this stuff then your brain will naturally go back to how it was before you were on the drug eventually (obviously not with all drugs and how long this takes may vary, just saying with SSRIs in particular. The fact is that these people were mentally ill before they started taking these drugs (and had a history of things like behavioral and violent issues), you can't just blame this on 'misunderstood young men' when the columbine killers were into shit like neo nazism. What we have are people who are already unstable further agitated by shit like this article to believe the entire world is out to get them (which I promise you, it's really not)... like I'm all for healthy skepticism but this is just feeding into the same shit with fear mongering, further radicalizing people who already have mental health issues or personality disorders. I say this as an alienated white man who easily could have turned out the same way but didn't.
Also I definitely do agree that drugs are overprescribed (and in a country with a poor understanding/treatment of mental health they definitely are as a catch-all for actually dealing with psychiatric problems)... but in this case correlation doesn't equal causation and things like this can also deter people from potentially seeking proper treatment too, just sayin...
Tucker Carlson only cares about riling people up because he's an ass, which everyone always says 'thats why i like him' but he isn't just doing damage triggering the left, he's also doing the same sort of damage to the right by triggering them as well too... just some food for thought
I don't disagree with this, nor do I disagree with those who say some of these meds have helped family members immensely--TexasDude is one of those. However, the problem that Tucker is addressing is that so many of these violent people were put on these meds many years before they would have ever got into the work environment you describe. As a bottom line, I would say that Tucker--and others--describe a major problem that calls for serious and thorough study. But that serious study isn't happening among within the mainstream scientific and medical establishment, in much the same way that other meds--like the Covid injections--get approved and pushed on the populace. Just as the Covid injections may not adversely affect every person who gets one, so not everyone is adversely affected by these other meds. It's scientifically complicated, and that's reflected on the warning labels.
There's no doubt that overprescription is a problem (and especially in a country with a poor understanding/treatment of mental health it's more often used as a catch-all for genuinely addressing these things), which can be especially damaging during formative years... however, correlation doesn't equal causation here and don't confuse the two separate issues when it can be more beneficial when used correctly.
And honestly the reason why we have both a mental health and spiritual crisis in this country is because people are lacking the ability to exercise the philosophical/critical thought required to work through these things interpersonally and within themselves, having never been taught the required skills due to generations of only focusing on the dogma and practice (and how everyone is just supposed to just go to church and say their hail marys)... as opposed to ever really learning actual spirituality alongside religion and what its really intended to mean....
So after decades of repression people are rejecting it altogether on one side to establish these things for themselves, then on the other side are people can't wrap their heads around it having these things so engrained themselves... as to what the answer is would be anyone's guess lol, just saying I feel like everyone is largely oversimplifying these things...
The problem is not the SSRIs. Just like the problem isn’t guns. It’s the fact that our society is fragmenting and people ( perhaps men more than women) feel they no longer have a place in it. So they become depressed. They act out. Leave a mark. With notoriety comes recognition and perhaps emotional relief for these outsiders.
I try very hard whenever a mass killing happens to not conflate insanity with evil. The perpetrators are evildoers, if they happen to be clinically mentally ill is almost always beside the point. When one is capable of planning and doing such evils one is therefore culpable and when found guilty should be executed after one appeal. The El Paso Wal Mart shooter has still not been tried, by now he should have been tried, convicted, executed.
SOMA is a real thing. Huxley was sent to us from the future.
So now its the drugs. If not, blame the guns. Don't you ever dare blame the poor darlings who are doing this! Personal responsibility? That was in the old days when we had a criminal justice system intent on preventing crimes or at least keeping them to a minimum. As an English jurist put it: "We do not hang horse thieves because that is the proper punishment, but that there be no horse thieves." If you want mass killings to proliferate, give the perps the publicity and understanding they crave. They become a somebody. If you can in America get solitary and no habeas corpus for questioning the results of an election (yes, a Judge did state that as the reason for keeping people in the Washington gulag) then maybe for killing more than half a dozen people at random we might impose the same as a deterrent to future massacres.
This reminded me of the book, “Anatomy of an Epidemic: Magic Bullets, Psychiatric Drugs, and the Astonishing Rise of Mental Illness in America” which I read years ago but still think of occasionally. There was a memorable story of a woman who struggled to get off of prescription anti-depressant drugs. She felt they were addictive and dulled her senses and ability to cope with life. It was difficult but she succeeded and felt she was better off.
The idea that pharmaceutical companies would promote addictive drugs that don’t really help—or which make things worse—doesn’t seem so shocking today. I am going to read this book again.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0036S4EGE/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_hsch_vapi_tkin_p1_i0
Definitely not, many people take these things for years and it doesn't turn them into killers. The brain does what it can to maintain a state of equilibrium, and if you stop taking this stuff then your brain will naturally go back to how it was before you were on the drug eventually (obviously not with all drugs and how long this takes may vary, just saying with SSRIs in particular. The fact is that these people were mentally ill before they started taking these drugs (and had a history of things like behavioral and violent issues), you can't just blame this on 'misunderstood young men' when the columbine killers were into shit like neo nazism. What we have are people who are already unstable further agitated by shit like this article to believe the entire world is out to get them (which I promise you, it's really not)... like I'm all for healthy skepticism but this is just feeding into the same shit with fear mongering, further radicalizing people who already have mental health issues or personality disorders. I say this as an alienated white man who easily could have turned out the same way but didn't.
Also I definitely do agree that drugs are overprescribed (and in a country with a poor understanding/treatment of mental health they definitely are as a catch-all for actually dealing with psychiatric problems)... but in this case correlation doesn't equal causation and things like this can also deter people from potentially seeking proper treatment too, just sayin...
Tucker Carlson only cares about riling people up because he's an ass, which everyone always says 'thats why i like him' but he isn't just doing damage triggering the left, he's also doing the same sort of damage to the right by triggering them as well too... just some food for thought
This is not the amazing world I was promised would happen when people stopped believing in God and started believing in Science.
Wonder if any of these folks in the “news media” have any trouble sleeping at night?
Probably not. With apologies to William F. Buckley Jr., apparently they Don’t have a keen grasp of the obvious.
I don't disagree with this, nor do I disagree with those who say some of these meds have helped family members immensely--TexasDude is one of those. However, the problem that Tucker is addressing is that so many of these violent people were put on these meds many years before they would have ever got into the work environment you describe. As a bottom line, I would say that Tucker--and others--describe a major problem that calls for serious and thorough study. But that serious study isn't happening among within the mainstream scientific and medical establishment, in much the same way that other meds--like the Covid injections--get approved and pushed on the populace. Just as the Covid injections may not adversely affect every person who gets one, so not everyone is adversely affected by these other meds. It's scientifically complicated, and that's reflected on the warning labels.
There's no doubt that overprescription is a problem (and especially in a country with a poor understanding/treatment of mental health it's more often used as a catch-all for genuinely addressing these things), which can be especially damaging during formative years... however, correlation doesn't equal causation here and don't confuse the two separate issues when it can be more beneficial when used correctly.
And honestly the reason why we have both a mental health and spiritual crisis in this country is because people are lacking the ability to exercise the philosophical/critical thought required to work through these things interpersonally and within themselves, having never been taught the required skills due to generations of only focusing on the dogma and practice (and how everyone is just supposed to just go to church and say their hail marys)... as opposed to ever really learning actual spirituality alongside religion and what its really intended to mean....
So after decades of repression people are rejecting it altogether on one side to establish these things for themselves, then on the other side are people can't wrap their heads around it having these things so engrained themselves... as to what the answer is would be anyone's guess lol, just saying I feel like everyone is largely oversimplifying these things...