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AmericanCardigan's avatar

If not mistaken Russia and China signed an agreement to have each other's backs just before the Olympics so.... should we go to war with Russia?

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Ray-SoCa's avatar

Thanks Mark! Thought provoking post with a lot of great links.

What is the end game indeed.

My guess is the elites believe they can use Ukraine to sway the coming elections their way. Russiagate that was false, did an amazing job on Trump, and Ukraine is real. The us ministry of truth is part of this effort to save the Democrats election chances, Russia disinformation justifies this. We are in a war after all!

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Sandy Daze's avatar

This thread discusses the collapse of Ukraine's exports, particularly through the Black Sea, an economic stranglehold, very interesting:

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1520333220964933632.html

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Ray-SoCa's avatar

Thanks! Good article.

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huskercr's avatar

Stolen elections have consequences, and in this case the collusion of the media, the AG and DOJ and the RINOs in facilitating the election stealing, may include the consequence of starting WW III. These neocons are not just malevolent, mistaken and incompetent, they are magnificently hubristic, arrogant and dangerous.

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Applied Epistemologist's avatar

What's with the "Zhou regime"? I get that it's a pun on "Joe", ie Biden, but it seems to mean more. Is there a primer for those who have just joined?

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Mark Wauck's avatar

It has to do with the close ties of the Baidan crime family to China.

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Cord The Seeker's avatar

I'll break this down to the very simple.

Absent some sort of diplomatic solution, which no seems to be working towards. and which may not even be possible at this point, one side is going to win and one side is going to lose. The loser gets to decide whether they want to be a good loser, or kick things up to the next level. If the Russians lose the ongoing battle in the Donbas, I don't see Vlad being a good loser, and the release nuclear weapons by Russia becomes likely. (And that might not be confined to Ukraine) If Ukraine collapses, will the people pulling Biden's strings be good losers, or will they, having sunk so much into this project, attempt direct NATO intervention?

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Shy Boy's avatar

I can't believe that the Bush II regime didn't know full well what it was doing in Iraq. Poppy was involved in Iran since his CIA days, and deep in the whole Iran-Contra thing. These aren't "screwups". The actors here aren't incompetent, they're just sociopaths. Liars. How can you take anything they say at face value, especially about their intentions?

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Ray-SoCa's avatar

Bush 1 did not take out Saddam, since he worried about the consequences.

His Son did, following a belief at the time pushed by various foundations on the conservative side of pushing liberty abroad, one I think was the Bradley foundation and the other the Olaf?

I can’t believe how badly the occupation went all fubar. The lack of knowledge of the us key decision makers on the Middle East (it’s tribal), and wishful thinking, still boggles my mind.

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John Raymond's avatar

New World Order manufactured war. They need crisises to advance their plan.

God help us

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Ray-SoCa's avatar

Pelosi just did a secret trip to Ukraine. I wonder if her son still has business interests there.

And PM Boris Johnson also did his trip.

The us tv network news has devoted more coverage to the Ukraine mess that the Iraq invasion.

https://responsiblestatecraft.org/2022/04/08/networks-covered-the-war-in-ukraine-more-than-the-us-invasion-of-iraq/

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Shy Boy's avatar

God won't help us if we keep trusting our deceivers and making excuses for them. There is no salvation for those who refuse to see the truth. It doesn't work like that.

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John Raymond's avatar

You are reading my mind...

Nobody, nobody asks me about this. ( link below)

Catholic teaching on DEATHVAX...mortal sin. See 28, esp.

And we're dealing with world's greatest critical thinkers.

And 1.2 billion fake Catholics and all but 200k 9f world think Francis is Pope

There are 2 chastisement going on.

God bless

https://novusordowatch.org/2021/08/pope-pius12-moral-limits-of-medical-treatment/

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I viewed the Iraq invasion initially as a war that would clean up a huge cesspool. And again the us created a centralized government. What a mess. Good news is Iraq is no longer a threat. Bad news is how much it cost the us. And removed a counter balance to Iran, that will soon have nukes.

My mother was anti war, since it made the us into an aggressor.

And it seems the reason for the Serbian us intervention was built in lies. And Libya was a huge mistake. Syria is another us created mess.

Afghanistan I have mixed feelings on invading. After the over throw of the Taliban we should have left, instead of putting in a central string government.

The us seems focused on spreading democracy, and it’s not our job. We are not the worlds policeman. And nobody is paying us to do so.

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There was a HUGE auction of oil leases which occurred in the 2010 +/- timeframe, all the major oil companies were in Baghdad for the event, which was organized in a manner that the pull companies accepted. The auction was broadcast one Iraqi TV. We had some oil execs in our compound who were as excited as children on Christmas morning.

Dutch Shell is hugely involved in Iraq, outside of Basrah. Huge.

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Mark Wauck's avatar

The threat appears most severe in Germany and Italy. Certain of the smaller economies, while not as affected in absolute terms, may have little margin for avoiding these consequences.

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