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Will Schryver @imetatronink·

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If this video shows the results of the Israeli's deploying a GBU-28 bomb, I think it may have prematurely detonated — in other words, it didn't penetrate very deeply before its fuse was activated.

@ArmchairW and @MihajlovicMike would have more informed opinions, I'm sure.

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The Israeli Air Force has dropped one of the largest-caliber bombs in its arsenal, a GBU-28 bunker buster, on a target in Lebanon.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GBU-28

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johnycomelately's avatar

If Gaza and Ukraine has shown anything it’s that modern warfare has tipped the favour back to infantry, boots on the ground. Drones, aa missiles, mines and anti tank missiles make manoeuvre warfare and dislodging infantry extremely difficult. Heck even supplies are dropped by drones.

Israel doesn’t have the numbers, it relies on absolute massive and overwhelming firepower. This can only go one way.

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Joe's avatar

Limiting Oil:

Eg: Israel has three crude import terminals: Ashkelon and Haifa on the Mediterranean

and Eilat on the Red Sea

I had linked source information instead of a long post but here it is:

Azerbaijan: provides 28% of Israels crude oil supply via the Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan (BTC) pipeline, majority owned and operated by BP. Azeri oil is loaded onto tankers in the Turkish port of Ceyhan for export to Israel

In the background is the UN Genocide Convention where there is a duty to Prevent Genocide as well as ICJ ruling

foreground is a lot including strikes on Israeli ports and shipping

by Hezbollah and Yemen - or possible uprising of a population (eg: strike at the Ceyhan port)

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Joe's avatar

There are a few issues that come to mind ; really only two

1. Will Yemen simply fire a few more ballistic missiles supplied from ' others '

2. Will ' they 'limit Israeli oil supply

3. Will Hezbollah sit back and watch for a while if 1 & 2 occur

On Israeli Oil needs:

https://x.com/eUnwelcome/status/1837634008319926452

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dissonant1's avatar

Erdogan has been playing a dangerous and time-limited game by supplying Israel with oil while the Israeli Gaza genocide and other of their aggressions have been going on. His populace in Turkey knows what he has been doing and is none too happy about it.

So it is interesting to see this:

https://www.thehansindia.com/news/international/erdogan-ready-to-meet-assad-to-normalise-turkey-syria-relations-908761

The CIA and MI6 have been trying to overthrow Assad for decades (with the Kurds and false flags as their proxies). How will they react to a Turkey-Syria détente? Will they try to leverage the Israeli military to destabilize Syria once they have "neutralized" Lebanon? Is this the real reason why they want the Israelis to destroy Lebanon? How will the Russians react to such an attempt on the Syrian government - since they have military and naval bases in Syria and it is of utmost strategic importance for them? How would NATO react when one of its Article 5 members (Turkey) in association with the Syrian government ends up being attacked by Israel?

Tune in next week for another episode of "As the Middle East churns."

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Joe's avatar

Link and comment appreciated

I had not seen that; interesting to say the least.

US EUSA IUSA failures of diplomacy have had so many - not only striking but quick -

consequences; arising almost daily.

Ukraine may well go down as one of the top 10 greatest military blunders in history

though competing, not far behind now, with the US Israeli led genocide.

If Ukraine EUSA (EU USA) put effort into Minsk; how great would they be?

If ISUA (Israel USA) had accepted October 7 without following with a Genocide

Israel had the entire world behind them and could have gotten most anything

and most everything they asked for.

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ebear's avatar

Just to be clear, Turkey doesn't produce the oil, it just transships it from Azerbaijan.

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/war-gaza-does-turkey-duty-cut-oil-supplies-israel

Russia makes the same argument as Turkey in relation to transshipment through Ukraine. They have contractual obligations, and while they could declare force majeure as a result of the war, that would tend to cast doubt on their reliability as a supplier, a reputation that goes back to the Soviet era.

Another consideration is that the oil provided to Israel also supplies the West Bank and (until recently) Gaza, so Turkey shutting off the oil would have the effect of depriving Palestinians as well as Israelis.

If you wanted to lean on a particular actor to stop the flow, I'd go after Azerbaijan, not Turkey.

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Mark Wauck's avatar

However, is it not the case that Turkey has also allowed the transport of Syrian oil--ripped off by the US and its proxies, in the past including ISIS--through its territory for supply to Israel?

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ebear's avatar

True enough. Government corruption is rife in that part of the world. Just about everywhere these days it seems.

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dissonant1's avatar

You are of course correct about Turkey transporting the oil rather than being the original supplier of it. The end result of the oil getting to Israel is the same regardless. Contracts seem to mean little these days (see Europe and the U.S. vs. Russia and the BDS movement). In the end the Turkish people are the judge vs. their own government. I admit I don't know how much they might consider the effects on Palestinians in their views toward Erdogan.

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ebear's avatar

I doubt that many Turks care what Erdogan and his clan get up to as long as it doesn't affect them directly. Not a Turkish thing, just an observation on human nature.

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dissonant1's avatar

I am so ashamed that I didn't mention ISIS in Syria as another proxy. Well, they were/are. Sorry about that.

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AmericanCardigan's avatar

Trump's recent words of support encourage the bravery of Netanyahu and the IDF. Israel is doing this escalation to get Trump elected. Puts Zhou and Kama Sutra on the spot and in a difficult dilemma.

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ML's avatar

AC, If Col Wilkerson is to be believed, Gen Kurilla - or Austin (brain fog!) told Zhou basically NO to Ukraine and NO to Israel/Gaza escalation, ie the Pentagon asserts itself through the Chain of Command. So now, in spite of this, are we still behind this madness?? And speaking of madness, shouldn’t Kama be chairing the Cabinet meeting instead of Jill? Now that’s a coup!

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AmericanCardigan's avatar

This escalation is all on Netanyahu. He's hedging a bet that Trump will support his IDF and "greater" Israel plans. Zhou... not so much. Kama same. The fact that Jill Biden "ran" the Cabinet meeting tells me who's been in charge these past 3.5 years.

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St's avatar
Sep 21Edited

Seems like everyone is playing opossum. Russia's missile storage sites are getting nailed. Lebanon and Iran. Even Chinese engineers are getting killed in places like Burma who are setting up B&R. Obviously empire wants WW3. Seems crazy as shit... murder/suicide move crazy. I don't get it. Not like WW2 where 95% of world will walk away without a scratch. We should all be on the streets everywhere protesting.

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ML's avatar
Sep 22Edited

LJ’s recent post may shed some light on the push-me pull-you situation:

https://sonar21.com/ukraine-and-israel-following-the-same-playbook-but-uncle-sam-doesnt-want-to-play/

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Wolf J Flywheel's avatar

Let's see if the Israelis make the slightest effort to not destroy Christian enclaves in Lebanon. If there were a betting line, Vegas would probably have to take it off the board.

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dissonant1's avatar

"There is no difference between Hezbollah and Lebanon. Lebanon will be annihilated. It will cease to exist." He makes no exceptions among those peoples living in Lebanon.

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Cosmo T Kat's avatar

Correct. Israel considers both as their eternal enemy.

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Mike richards's avatar

Right. Recent-historical newcomers (who abandoned/lost the land) return as ‘rightful owners-who-call-the-shots’. Let’s all take them seriously. Riight. Chutzpah has a comedic dimension.

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SMH's avatar

And not one word about this development anywhere else, or as saying goes, the roar of silence is deafening! As Robert points out in his comments above, we can no longer trust any institution in the country, everything we read, see and hear is managed, manipulated and propagandized to the point that apart from sites like this one, we have no chance of determining what the truth of events really represents.

Thanks again to Mark and the commenters here for helping winnow out the truth from all of the chaff.

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Mike richards's avatar

Long past - DrudgeReport. Now, MiH.

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Mike richards's avatar

Thanks Mark.

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aDoozy's avatar

SMH, I thank you for your comment on the deafening silence elsewhere about this massive bomb--or nukr?--that hit Lebanon today. I have checked sites I trust for truth throughout this day, and read nothing about this bomb.

In another decade this would have been the #1 story everywhere.

Just how much control do the Anglo-Zionists have over the Internet?

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ROBERT Incognito's avatar

The greatest asset the west has (had) was trust. That has now been completely obliterated. I can think on no western institutions that still deserve trust; medical, pharmaceutical, financial, federal law enforcement, intelligence agencies, mainstream media, social media, big tech etc all have been corrupted by money and power

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AmericanCardigan's avatar

The greatest asset the West had (had) was/is the almighty dollar.

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dissonant1's avatar

And the strength of the Dollar was based on what? You guessed it.

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dissonant1's avatar

!!!!! x1000. It is because there is no moral or religious basis in our institutions here in the U.S., or in Europe, anymore.

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Stephen McIntyre's avatar

Israel is committed to destroying itself and taking all of this with it. I’ve been reading all of this carefully over the last several months. There is no way Israel can pivot and start a war in southern Lebanon and prevail. The American people I do not believe are going to be willing to send their sons and daughters into this war with Israel, even though it will be sold as a biblical responsibility to support the state of Israel. I am not sure enough people are going to fall for that although I think our politicians will and will be wholeheartedly, pushing a war, but none of them will be going to it, nor will their children.

Right now, the four Horsemen of the apocalypse ride glory in the Ukraine and the Middle East.

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aDoozy's avatar

The video posted by Stew Peters took my breath away...did I just see a mushroom cloud, a mushroom-shaped fireball?

I am shaking, praying, and hungry for more reports.

Thank you SO much Mark. You are the first to tell me about this bombing.

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