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Dave's avatar

Penn appears to be viewing the Democrats through the same lens he did in 1990; the Democrat party as he knew is dead and gone, and it's not coming back. I'm not sure he truly sees that. Once they made their backroom deals with hardcore leftists in BLM, 'The Squad' and simultaneously alienating the Bernie Bro's (X2 with stealing Bernie's nominations) they were done - there isn't any coming back from that.

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Mark Wauck's avatar

I get why you're saying that, but I think he's smarter than that and that's why he's pulled back from the politics business in the sense of campaign and adviser roles. Probably hoping against hope. Don't know his personal politics, but from his writing re the Russia Hoax and what he says re J6 I think he sees the deep problem.

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Mark Wauck's avatar

https://donsurber.blogspot.com/2022/01/nbc-trump-29-biden-5.html

NBC polled Americans and found 5% said Biden exceeded their expectations in his first year.

29% said that about Trump 4 years ago.

That is remarkable considering the yearlong media battle against President Donald John Trump with the CNN and other goons foisting the Russian Collusion hoax upon the public.

Of course, 27% said Trump did worse than expected. That is a net +2.

26% now say that about Biden. That is a net -21.

That's amazing considering the only thing his supporters expected was for Biden to not be Donald Trump. The rest of us thought Biden would be a disaster. He's even worse than that!

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Sarcastic Cynical Texan's avatar

It's pretty hard to be worse than a disaster, Zhou pulled it off somehow.

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Ginned up's avatar

About the most optimistic spin i could put on Penn is that he is another indication of cracks in the Criminal Cartel. As Mike Moore says, some of the rats have started to jump ship so maybe Penn is part of that. But the Intel gang and Pharma gang aren't giving up without force. They're too culpable. (And to me the worst outcome now would be a return to "normal" where a handful of the war criminals are punished but the rest are quietly excused and even pontificate about their innocence etc...and the sham elections, and sham politics and sham economy lulls the sheep back for more fleecing).

As for Trump, he's dar from done but he is vulnerable to someone who can out-trump him--- that is, speak directly and honestly about the Scamdemic, the Death Jabs, and the gangster government, all things Trump really doesn't want to delve into. I don't see anyone out there able to do that yet but he she might just come down the elevator one of these days and then Trump will have to respond.

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Shy Boy's avatar

Candace Owens 2024

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Ginned up's avatar

Hahaha.. maybe maybe... I'm so cynical now i figure anyone that the Fourth Branch allows to run or get nominated is already compromised in some way. We're simply not a republic any longer at the federal level. Maybe state/ local elections still matter but the Cartel fully controls power in dc now and until they've been removed we're just playing into their hands debating candidates and the old political games.

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DJL's avatar

I've seen a couple pundits dismissing Trump as a has-been recently, Ann Coulter being one of the most prominent yesterday at Townhall. Her column seemed to be riffing on the supposed Trump-DeSantis kerfuffle which, as days pass, appears to be another MSM invention.

Trump's heavily attended rally in Arizona this week was covered by Newsmax and increased their viewership by 40% in one headline I saw. So, the 'Trump is Dead' meme these pundits are trying to plant isn't close to being an accurate analysis of where voters are at. If that was the case, I doubt Lindsey would be advising McConnell to get on the Trump Train.

The Donkeys and their Vichy republican allies apparently haven't got the memo on Trump's electoral demise as they continue to channel all their effort into making him a convicted felon - or at least paint him as the leader of the insurrection that wasn't...

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Anne Sherman's avatar

Lindsey and Mitch are both on the same team - not-so-secret Never Trumpers. (Apropos their condemnation of Trump's efforts to stop the steal.) Miss Lindsey in particular is as duplicitous as they come. Mitch showed his true colors early when he kept the Senate in pro forma session so that Trump was unable to make recess appointments. He needed Trump to nominate Federalist judges. At that's all. Any legislation that came out of the Republican-controlled Senate was because Mitch wanted it to. Remember how Mitch refused to help Trump build the Southern Border Wall? I don't trust either of them as far as I can spit - and ladies don't spit.

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J in StL's avatar

Trump may have no intention of running in '24. But the instant he implies that he is done. He has to act the player to be the player. There is a fairly deep bench auditioning for the role of King. Trump has to stay in the game if he wants to be Kingmaker.

My favorite scenario is a Red House makes Trump Speaker in Jan '23. After noon Jan 20, '23, the Bidet Admin implodes and Trump is sworn in while still being able to run in '24. Yes, my Precious. Payback for the 2020 sedition is they'll have to deal with 10 years of Trump in office. <obnoxious lip licking sounds>

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Sarcastic Cynical Texan's avatar

Too bad no member of the D. C. judiciary would dare to remove interlopers such as Zhou and Heresy from their fraudulently obtained offices by quo warranto, of course Trump would have had to bring suit and prove the fraud, Giuliani et al were clueless I suppose. Heresy is not a natural born citizen and is not eligible for the office she allegedly holds. Oh well!

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Ginned up's avatar

Yes, very true but think bigger. It's no accident that every single person we send to dc quickly turns their back on us and refuses to talk about certain issues. I don't know how exactly, but you can bet that the Fourth Branch sits every single politician down soon after their election and tells them exactly what they will and won't be allowed to do/ say. Some, like Marjorie Greene, are allowed to rant and rave about some topics because the Cartel figures she won't do any real damage and it actually serves to maintain the illusion of the 2 party system. But i guarantee you that not a single one of these pols in dc will ever dare to do or say anything that truly threatens the CIA, FBI, DOJ, DIA, NSA et al. Trump maybe came closest and we saw what happened to him. I firmly believe the Fourth Branch will kill his family members if he steps too far out of line again. He knows this and treads very carefully.

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Dave's avatar

Trump isn't remotely done in terms of his influence, but I don't see how he actually runs again with a reasonable hope of actually being re-elected; he's a legitimate threat to too many corrupt pillars of US and global grifters... and we saw how the entire planet colluded to keep him out in 2020.

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Mark Wauck's avatar

Fortunately there's time as far as the WH goes. Lots can happen. Zhou could die tomorrow--then Kamala won't have to keep answering her phone: Is he dead?

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perle's avatar

Trump as a has-been? Wishful thinking. In 2022 its the economy, stupid. See how far 'its all Trump's fault' gets you.

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Mark Wauck's avatar

All that is why I would have liked to hear Penn expand on Trump's standing. Penn is a smart guy and was principled enough to criticize the Witchhunt repeatedly and forthrightly.

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