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Dimon has way too many skeletons in his closet. He’ll never be a politician. I doubt he’d want to be. He’s got way more power and influence where he is!

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Jul 8, 2023·edited Jul 8, 2023

I find it sad that the person who in March 2020 unilaterally suspended the Constitution, urged "social distancing" ie, lockdowns, stated guidance that schools and businesses should close, a death sentence for small businesses, many of which would close permanently, destruction of the US economy, allowed Jared to run Covid meetings in which he censored facts in order to protect Davos approved information, should be cheered for the likelihood that he'll "wipe the floor" vs current opponents. Further, why would Ruling Class want to "take out" Trump? What exactly do they fear he'd do as president, since he was totally powerless in his first 4 years, ignored entirely by Pentagon, though like a good boy he dropped 60,000 bombs in 2017, more even than Obama. RNC loves Trump. In 2018-2019 he and Jared embedded the WinRed scam into RNC fundraising, thus "breathing new life into the RNC," per Henry Barbour.

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Reading through bleary eyes this morning, I thought Dimon was running as a Dem in lieu of Gruesome. He seems to check all the “ruling elite/rule of law” boxes. Plan D?

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Theoretically possible. But as Dimon himself has noted (sorry I don't have the link handy), the far-left portion of the Dems (which is an ever increasing percentage of them) would hate him because they hate Wall Street.

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He has in the past stated that neither Trump nor Biden are the way forward. I took it at the time that that was support for DeSantis, not for a Dem alternative to Biden. Whatever it was, it was a clear statement of political interest. My post isn't suggesting that he can win, but that the Ruling Class could turn to one of their own because he has the money--or could quickly raise the money--to stay in a race. It's an indication of Ruling Class determination to maintain a tight grip on power. The biggest threat in that regard is obviously Trump.

Brad Crawford has advanced his thesis in the past. As then, I respond to the idea that the Ruling Class is supporting Trump at this point because he's a sure loser with this:

2016

2020

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I would just like to state that my position, correct or not, is none other than that the Ruling Class not only is not supporting Trump but that they are more strongly against him than ever, which is why they are pulling out all the stops, again, to destroy his general election prospects. At the same time and with the same actions, they keep DeSantis down in the primary, since they calculate he would be a far less vulnerable, i.e., more likely victorious, candidate in the general. To me it's a two-fer, in plain view.

As far as all that goes, time will tell.

And for whatever little it may be worth to mention, it is a time-honored (however slimy) tradition in hardball politics for Party A to help win the Party B nomination the viable candidate that Party A views as being weakest in the general election. Such machinations are old hat, and no one would or should ever interpret them as Party A "supporting" that ostensibly weak Party B candidate. I certainly don't.

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I understand your position, which you've stated before. I repeat: 2016, 2020. "Pulling out all the stops" makes Trump stronger, which could lead to "pulling out all their hair." It shows people who Trump's enemies really are.

As for DeSantis, he's tanking all on his own. He's done many good things as governor, but has shown that as president he would be another tool of the ruling class.

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I very much appreciate your taking the time to engage with me here and assure you I'll cease beating this not-quite dead horse after this. (And I will more than understand if you don't see any reason to take even more of your time to respond to me yet again; I just want to put down what follows for posterity.)

I have no idea what you mean by "2016 2020," so I'll just take a stab in the dark at responding to what I think you may mean.

I trust we are all in complete agreement that in 2016 they did exactly what I claim they are doing now, i.e., everything possible to get Trump the nomination or, if that fails, hoping to split the Republican Party by getting his hardcore supporters to view the party as traitorous and therefore undeserving of their electoral support. The plan only failed because they realized too late that they didn't cheat, censor and propagandize enough to get the job done, allowing Trump to squeak by in a handful of states that proved decisive. The levels of censorship, cheating and propaganda now are orders of magnitude what they were then, which is to say they will not make the same mistake this time.

As for 2020, there was no effort to help Trump win the primaries, since this was a given, so how is that year in any way relevant to the idea they are helping him win the primaries now? As opposed to 2016, in 2020 they did in fact cheat, censor and propagandize enough to get the job done and then some, as the electoral college results they conjured up were anything but a squeaker. So I just don't understand how the 2020 experience supports the idea they are afraid of Trump in the general in 2024, if that is in fact part of the point you are making.

Lastly, if Ron "Ruling Class Tool" DeSantis is the one they want to win the nomination instead of Trump (and if not him, then whom?), is what we are seeing now really what such a thing should look like? We have at least one fabulous example of what going all out to help a candidate win the primary looks like; they made it clear with Trump in 2016, giving him bazillions in free media coverage right up to the moment they knew he had it in the bag. Now, however, they are freezing DeSantis out of free media coverage almost completely. Where is the evidence the ruling class prefer DeSantis over Trump in the general? I would love to have it pointed out, because I've looked and looked and can find it nowhere. It sure as heck isn't to be found in the lawfare against and continual media spotlight on Trump, since all this has predictably strengthened his primary support and kept that of DeSantis down.

I'll bother neither you nor fellow readers anymore with this topic. I agree with, admire and am more than a little grateful for a solid majority of the takes you provide on this site (it's no accident it's the one and only site on the internet for which I actually choose the paid subscription option) and will not further risk getting on your or others' bad side by blabbering on in one of the few areas where my take is different. I only mean any of what I say in the spirit of open, honest and good-faithed debate among people who embrace the occasional bout of cognitive dissonance as the necessary cost of knowledge acquisition it is, and I hope it's clear to all there is nothing more to it than that.

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"I trust we are all in complete agreement that in 2016 they did exactly what I claim they are doing now"

I don't agree with that at all. Way back in 2015 I was told by a person who I consider something of an "insider" that Hillary's polling showed that Trump was the big danger. Trump's very smart campaign confirmed that to me. For my own part, I was convinced that no other GOP candidate for 2016 stood a snowball's chance in hell.

To me DeSantis is the 2024 parallel to Cruz. Both imploded all on their own. Now, it's true that each engaged in culture war rhetoric that made them anathema to the MSM. But neither of them had the personal charisma and appeal that Trump had--and I say that as someone who isn't particularly enamored of Trump's style. I'm speaking from a strictly political standpoint. DeSantis as a governor got plenty of media coverage of the type that would have made him will known and popular with the GOP/populist base. His policies as governor ARE popular with that base. There are other reasons why that base--which doesn't need the MSM to find out who DeSantis is--prefers Trump. They know both, and they prefer Trump.

But I do believe that in foreign policy DeSantis, as also Cruz, would have simply been a tool of the Ruling Class.

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Jul 8, 2023·edited Jul 8, 2023

Yes. I do believe the Dems did not think Trump could beat Hillary in 2016. Since then, however, all of their actions against Trump are (to me) indicative of their fear of him and of the great number of people in the public who support him. Their actions support their belief that he can/will be elected in 2024 without them taking extraordinary measures beforehand. I will edit this to say "the ruling class" instead of Dems.

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…a minor detail!

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Haha! You may be right.... the MSM/DNC media can do a lot to manage gullible people!

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I think the Will Schryver tweet is a great explanation of the nature of the fragility of the banking system and the false economy as a whole. Truly a house of cards. Like so many other social institutions, it requires the faith of its participants and will only be propped up as long as that faith is maintained.

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Who knows? If the GOPe is shameless enough to continually push forward people like the "midgets" over and over again, they just might jump at Dimon, despite the fact that he is a Democrat and a liberal. And he has flirted with the idea (at least superficially):

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/09/12/jamie-dimon-says-he-could-beat-trump-in-an-election.html

Gary Cohn (the traitor who stole documents off Trump's desk so he couldn't sign them) loves the idea of Dimon as President, too:

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/09/17/gary-cohn-jamie-dimon-would-make-a-phenomenal-president.html

If that isn't enough to disqualify him, as others have pointed out he has no political history, no charisma, and has evidenced no core moral or political philosophy other than believing that government should serve the interests of large banks as best it can. Come to think of it, he may be the perfect man to represent what America seems to have become: All he really seems to care about is money. Are the American people so shallow as to actually elect a man this shallow?

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“All he really seems to care about is money. Are the American people so shallow as to actually elect a man this shallow?”…which explains why he kept an infamous pedophile’s account open at Chase for a number of years…Epstein.

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I always enjoy reading Brad Crawford’s comments as they are not only rational but thought provoking. I’ll offer my view of the current mess we find ourselves in.

With so many unexploded and still hidden landmines out there, it seems difficult to give odds on who will be the nominee of either political party at this point.

Let’s begin with Trump. He is besieged by the Lawfare zealots, not only the Feds but state AGs. Will he emerge victorious? Who can say. If he does it will likely be a game changer. Will he be reduced in stature? Probably only to those who would never vote for him anyway – which includes the MSM. He has a record that conservatives and ‘normals’ can be proud of. Three SCOTUS justices, a roaring economy, rebuilding the military, avoiding foreign adventurism while bringing our troops home. Telling NATO to pony up their fair share in the defense of Europe. A robust and leading foreign policy when dealing with Red China, Russia, Iran, and North Korea. But then there are the two ‘impeachments’ which with each passing day look like manufactured political hit jobs when compared to his rival’s shakedown operations and his son’s influence peddling. And the Russia Hoax, now thoroughly debunked, but still a shibboleth of the Left and their media propagandists. And all of those Federal agencies with their political appointees and bureaucrats that sold their credibility and their souls to take down Trump (Comey, McCabe, Rosenstein, Clapper, Brennan, Strzok, Page, etc., etc.). Then the 51 ‘Intel’ muckety-mucks who sold their credibility for senile Joe. At this point in the primary, Trump has a commanding position.

Then there’s Dementia Joe who has been reduced to disembarking Air Force 1 from the rear ramp using the short steps. Joe is just now getting a taste of what is to come as each layer of the Biden family corruption onion is peeled back by House committees who have some real charges to bring. A real phone call by the First Son shaking down a Red Chinese interlocutor with Mr. 10% that is truly worthy of a vote for impeachment. Having to explain all of those shell company accounts used for laundering shakedown money will be a real tongue twister for senile old Joe. Then there is the war between Russia and Ukraine/NATO which isn’t shaking out quite like the Neo Cons running the State Department thought it would. Every American, at this point, knows Ukraine cannot win this war, even with the seemingly unending stockpile of military equipment and ordnance being shipped there. Don’t count on the latest shipment of cluster bombs to solve the unsolvable. Of course there are also the unknowns lurking around every economic and employment report. A severe downturn with this brittle economy would sink senile old Joe and his party, so much so that any ballot tampering games would immediately be suspect – and perhaps this time investigated rather than cast off as another conspiracy theory. And how could we forget senile Joe’s war on the American people, telling us what fuel we can use to cook and heat/air condition our homes with? What vehicles we are allowed to buy and drive. That the government owns our children, not the parents. That women can be men and men can be women. That is what a vote for senile Joe and the puppeteers pulling his strings will get you.

For those paying attention, the choice Is not a difficult one.

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Thanks a lot, DJL, for the kind words as well as the thoughtful response. As you make clear, the current administration is an abomination so horrendous that it really is hard to imagine enough people voting it a second term, even given all the structural advantages the uniparty types have built for the Dems over the years. I think those who are de facto above Biden's pay grade think the same thing and so will see to it he's not the Dem nominee, but as you say, we can only guess and game it out at this point.

I'm just going to keep watching things and adjusting my take on them as I go. No doubt there are many shoes to drop over the next year and a half, each one of them necessitating such adjustments. That whole line about "Events, dear boy. Events" is always alive and relevant, especially in such "interesting times" like these.

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Well said. I'm a double Trump voter and happy but he was in a terrible position and unsupported by GOP.

Let's list a few errors:

1) schlonged on Covid and still not walking back the vaccine

2) inadequate support for J6 political prisoners

3) savaged the Freedom Caucus in order to reach across the aisle to unambiguously bad spending by Dems

4) some poor nominations for key posts, to be fair Trump was surrounded by liars and enemies

I'll vote for him again.

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Perhaps Dimon will run as a Democrat, they are looking for a Biden replacement. And economic troubles are coming.

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Along with the content quality, the greatest trait of this site is to me the natural honesty nearly all here employ in making their points. No games are played - we just lay it all out and let the chips fall where they may.

With that in mind, it definitely seems to me that many if not most here subscribe to the general proposition that the lawfare and other attacks on Trump are to weaken him in or even remove him from the primary because his attackers believe Trump would be a stronger candidate than DeSantis (or whoever) against the Dems in the general.

The other line of thinking, of which I am a longtime adherent, is that the above has things all turned around, that the attackers' goal is in fact to strengthen Trump in the primary while at the same time generating sky-high negatives among independents and other non-hardcore Trump supporters, thereby mortally wounding him for the general. We believe the attackers believe, and are correct in believing, that Trump would be easily beaten in the general (possibly by Newsom, but whoever it is, it won't be Biden), especially with the ever more brutal attacks to come and the monumental advantage they have in engineering officially declared victories by any means necessary. It seems clear to us that the attackers see Trump's increased popularity in the primary polls and the wall-to-wall coverage keeping him in the spotlight -and DeSantis out- that follow each attack as being not a bug, but a fully intended and glorious feature.

So which is it? Are Trump's attackers laughing each time their attacks make his primary support go up and drown out any voter attention DeSantis might otherwise be given, or are they crying? I say it means the attackers' plan is going exactly as they wish, and so they must be laughing. Others say it means the attackers' plans are backfiring spectacularly, and so they must be crying.

Only time will tell.

All I really care about is keeping our CCP-copycat, home-grown commies (who, like all good commies, are in practice fascist to the core) from continuing their reign of terror against this country and its people, so of course I'll vote for Trump if he's the nominee and will argue for all others to do the same. But how anyone can look at his currently dismal general election support, overlay it with 1) the near certainty he will be, however wrongly, a convicted and perhaps even imprisoned felon throughout the general election period; 2) the wall-to-wall media propaganda that will make it appear to most the convictions were at least technically well-grounded; and 3) the Dems' plainly demonstrated immense power to "make things go their way" in recent general elections, and then still believe he has one chance in ten of being officially declared the winner in '24, is beyond me.

My respect for the entirety of the community here is both genuine and deep, as much when I may disagree with some as agree - maybe even more. This will not change. I'll keep my eyes and my mind open for signs I've got this all wrong, but so far the prospects of that happening are not, to me at least, looking good.

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"Dem & GOP parties like it that way."

Couldn't agree more.

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Perhaps people will greet the platitudes with the same enthusiasm that they have with the fees and low interest rates that Mr. Dimon helps them enjoy. New idea! Try some plongitudes!

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In the world according to Tom Luongo, Dimon leads a big chunk of the American banking colossus that is NOT OK with Davos and with Powell is OK with raising rates not to crush inflation but to defund the eurodollar market which funds all the Euro Davos nonsense. I’ll cheer him on for that reason. But he’s not a politician and don’t seem him moving the needle if he tries to go in that direction.

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Jamie who? Dimon who?

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An excerpt from James Howard Kunstler's blog post today:

"American Finance now is in the business of receiving free money (loans at minimal interest) from government-chartered central banks (issuing “credit” from nowhere), that banks, hedge funds, private equity outfits, and sundry freebooters can roll into instruments such as interest-yielding bonds (loans back to government) and derivatives (algorithmic bets derived, abstracted from, and tuned to market movements) magically multiplying money that finally produces nothing of value — though it may translate into yacht purchases, alimony payments, luxury suites at ballparks, private Caribbean islands, and traffic in humans for use as sex toys."

Although Dimon isn't mentioned, it is a discrediting of America's financial markets which produce nothing but more greed.

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Yes. Dimon's stump speech, if that's what it is, is deeply disingenuous. But the system you and Kunstler describe is what the ruling class wants to keep in place. Is it possible that they will borrow some of Trump's policies? A more mercantilist economy? Yes, possible, but they'll always want to go for the easy money, and that works against a productive America.

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You say, "This on top of the fact that Trump already got more votes than any presidential candidate in history."...Do you have a link for this statistic? Assuming your "historic" national vote total claims, they don't mean Trump was anywhere close to winning the Electoral College which is the one thing a president has to do.

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Your reply is that one can't know about the "straw man" electoral college vote. And that "obviously" vote fraud was focused on major cities. Fine. Assuming "they" didn't want him to win, what exactly did the Establishment fear from him if he were re-elected? What does the Establishment "fear" Trump would do to harm them in a future term? What exactly did he do from Jan. 2017-Jan. 2021 that created the slightest problem for the Establishment?

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Trump's screwups while in power are legion. Despite all of them, he was also then, and is even more so now, an existential threat to the Establishment. What the Establishment wants is no less than what it is getting through this farcical Biden presidency, and what a second Trump term would have given them, and now would give them, is so far removed from this that words fail me in properly describing it.

Donald Trump for sure has proven himself to be an embarrassingly slow learner, but one would have to figure that even he has probably learned enough to know that if given a second bite at the apple, he would actually declassify and publicize some meaningful amount of the corrupt and criminal machinations our government has slimed itself with the last many years (as opposed to the political suicide he committed his last go-round by doing his tormenters' bidding in ways they could never even have hoped for, i.e., by steadfastly keeping their secrets buried a hundred feet deep and the American people squarely in the dark, right down to the bitter end of his presidency).

There are a million other reasons why a second Trump term would again pose an existential threat to the Establishment, but no Dem administration would expose any of the wrongdoers' wrongdoing, and that is all the difference needed to want to keep Trump as far away from the White House as possible. I have no idea how anyone could fail to see something so blindingly obvious.

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Shouldn't you be starting from the obvious fact that the Ruling Class really is afraid of Trump, rather than your dubious claim that he caused no problems at all. The whole political story of Trump's 4 years is of the story of the Ruling Class attempting to expel the highly problematic Trump from the White House.

Problems that Trump caused? He sought better relations with Russia, and even warned Russia of a planned terrorist attack in St. Petersburg? He was personally thanked by Putin. Who planned that attack? Hampered though he was, he kept trying.

He tried to expose Ruling Class corruption using Ukraine. He was impeached for that.

He tried to put relations with China on a rational basis of mutual respect, but America looking out for its long term interests. The Zhou regime immediately changed course to one of confrontation, just as it did with Russia.

He nixed the Deep State plan to start a war with Iran.

He never stopped talking up his populist agenda and seeking to build a coalition.

He had his ups and downs in all this, but clearly posed a threat.

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All these actions by Trump were aimed at ending policies that were near and dear to the heart of the Deep State/Ruling Class agenda for world hegemony.

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Love Vivek's positions and sent him a little money. Want him on stage for debates.

He can't win the non though, and he can't get elected. He may have been CEO but he's never been elected even dog catcher. Trump was different, besides CEO he had a hit TV show

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So the ideal GOPe candidate?

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