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Ray-SoCa's avatar

Rasmussen Poll part 1 on belief on 2020 cheating

Anathema growth in those believing there was cheating, especially with the censorship and propaganda campaign of the most secure election ever.

https://twitter.com/RaheemKassam/status/1668203089424162821

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Amanda R's avatar

Who will be voting for who out of interest? And what do people predict will happen with the Democrats - voters I mean - will they swallow Joey B as the hope of the nation again? And what do people think will happen if Joey 'wins' again? I'd love to know what regular Americans are thinking, both Red and Blue leaning

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susan mullen's avatar

It's a disgrace that reality is ignored on this issue. It's a matter of record that Trump had no power whatsoever over the US military, was totally ignored for 4 yrs by the Pentagon, that he knew this early on, and in April 2017 publicly announced he was turning over all military decisions "to his generals" at the Pentagon. At that time it was seen as unprecedented that the commander in chief would give up a role officially assigned to him. Yet much worse is that the #1 talking point being used today to sell Trump is that he "didn't start any new foreign wars." And it's said with deep emphasis, eg, "this is most important," "this is why they don't want him." This couldn't be further from the truth, since #1, he was powerless. Further, he wasn't elected to maintain the status quo, he was elected to reverse it, and he failed. Why are people believing the same lies they were sold in 2016? Roger Stone on radio today 6/11 even went deep into the 2016 vault of failed promises, saying "he even tried to start bringing troops home." First, he wouldn't have been allowed to, in any case, Trump himself said that if troops left Syria he could move them into Iraq so he could "keep an eye on Iran." Media knows all of this, so why do they (including Tucker Carlson) let Trump go on and on 24/7 about how he'd stop the war in one day, or that he told Putin he'd bomb the turrets in Moscow Square, etc, never once interrupting him to him to remind him that he was totally powerless for 4 years? Or that in any case he now sounds like a worse neocon than McCain which is the opposite of how he ran as a 2016 candidate? Answer: Because no one fears him, he's just what they want, accepts that he was powerless, and instead of resigning and telling voters he was powerless, he sat there for 4 yrs. This isn't to say they want him to pres., just that they want him to be GOP nominee, he's a known quantity. Only 10 wks after his inaug. he bombed Syria without waiting for evidence, lamenting the "babies." WaPo patted him on the head. In Jan. 2017 US sent a huge shipment of heavy weapons to Estonia/Russia border "to reassure NATO." They'll say it was decided before he was in office. He'd been elected to scale back US foreign interference, to normalize relations w. Russia, to reduce US involvement in NATO. For 4 years he did the opposite. In July 2017 he went on tv and announced he'd changed his mind, now thinks endless Mideast wars are necessary. In Aug. 2017, led by Lindsey Graham, House and Senate voted nearly unanimously to remove all Russia decisions from Trump and reassign them to the Senate. Also in 2017 "he" approved the first shipment of javelins to Ukraine to kill Russians, which even Obama wouldn't do. Totally unprovoked, he enforced US annexation of one third of Syria, placed US military there where to this day US steals oil from the land and prevents starving Syrians from growing crops on the land. In 2019, totally without provocation, "he" used US forces to try to overthrow Venezuela's elected government. He hired Reagan-Bush neocon Elliott Abrams to help in the regime change. He blocked supplies including medicines, he turned off the electricity, the usual US pattern of causing massive suffering for millions of innocent civilians. "No food. No medicine. Now, no power. Next, no Maduro." Sec. Mike Pompeo, 11:18pm, Mar. 7, 2019."....He backed massive effort to install US puppet in place of Maduro, decreeing Guaido was new president, hosted Guaido's wife at the White House and gave her a press conference. His plot to overthrow Venezuela failed, thankfully. US uses Colombia to launch anti-Venezuela ops, so US Amb to Col. was critical appointment. As of 2/1/2019, Trump had allowed Obama-appointed Amb to remain in place while repeatedly trying to put an even bigger Soros puppet in the job. 4/7/2017, “Why the ‘Trump’ State Department still loves George Soros,” NY Post, Mike Gonzalez, also 4/10/2017, Heritage. Some GOP Senators expressed shock at Trump’s choice. "The policies that won the election on Nov. 8 [2016] aren’t being implemented." Trump's criminal Venezuela regime change effort is a problem when selling him as peacemaker or "no new wars," so it's now vehemently being explained away as, no, no, he wasn't involved in that at all, nor was his administration, it was all carried out separately, and if you suggest otherwise, you're a "hater." In Jan. 2020 "he" was giddily proud of assassinating an Iran general and his staff while they were in Iraq. He was the opposite of what I voted for in 2016. This doesn't even get into him making Jared de facto pres. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

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John Hrynyk's avatar

I AM GONNA VOTE FOR DJT WHEATHER HE IS IN JAIL OR NOT.

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Raymond Fleischman's avatar

It's all so Kremlin.

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SMH's avatar

They just keep piling disaster on top of disaster and the pity is that they really believe no one is noticing. The Russian’s won’t talk to us, the Chinese won’t talk to us, our Middle East policy is in almost total collapse, our prestige and clout on the international stage is virtually non-existent and we are blessed with a President who is universally ridiculed and held in contempt.

Coupled with the fact that our economy is being battered and hammered on a daily basis, one would expect a keen grasp of the obvious to finally occur to these clowns. But in spite of all the evidence to contrary, they remain firmly ensconced in la la land and pursuits that can only lead to disastrous consequences for the nation and the world as a whole.

Lasch makes the point that the “elites” live in another world than the rest of us and he also suggested that this can take the path of believing in fantasy. Amen to that.

I don’t know about anyone else, but the times have gotten about as interesting as I care to see them get.

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perle's avatar

It will not be long before these "disastrous consequences for the nation and the world as a whole" arrive. Then, and only then, we might wake up and give Trump a chance to fix them. If we do, I expect him to trigger a huge 'tiger trap' not for revenge, but because these people who have been persecuting him have in their hatred been careless and are guilty of high crimes and misdemeanors.

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SMH's avatar

Perle: I hope you’re right that we get a chance to fix this mess!

This round is for all the marbles and if the general population doesn’t wake up and these feckless Republicans don’t grow a spine and a set of balls, I don’t see how we survive as a republic.

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D F Barr's avatar

Nope. Plenty of graft and corruption to go around for them.

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DJL's avatar

If you subscribe to Red State and I expect any of the other right leaning blogs, the indictment has proven to be a brilliant move in that all those who have chosen their camp (Trump/Anti-Trump) to reside in are tearing at each other's throats. Who can bring these two sides together again to salvage an election both sides say must be won?

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Ray-SoCa's avatar

I view the Trump indictment as a huge opportunity to illuminate who the Rinos are. It’s interesting the Republicans that are silent, or even praising the indictment. A theory is DeSantis and his supporters are betting the indictment will sideline Trump. I believe it’s making him a martyr.

Or the indictment is causing them to become pro Trump, due to the over reach.

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