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dissonant1's avatar

So the Neocons threaten Turkey (a NATO member and the controller of the Bosporus Strait, and a major player in Syria) and advocate a direct attack on it precisely at the time when Erdogan is threatening to attack Israel, while they know that Erdogan would love to reconstitute the Ottoman Empire. So, I guess they don't care about NATO because they don't care about Article 5 or Turkey leaving NATO, and they don't care about the ability to counter Russia's military and naval presence in Syria or the Eastern Med. And they don't care about Israel (even though it is a western colonial establishment) and they certainly don't care about a "backwater" called Poland, other than sacrificing it for their own purposes and the greater good of Germany, even though (or perhaps because) it has been the matchstick for war after disastrous war over the last centuries. Well, I don't call myself Dissonant1 for nothing... but I think these people are horrifically nuts.

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Steghorn21's avatar

If Germany wants to become a major player in Ukraine, let it. It will be only the latest in a long line of disastrous and suicidal decisions taken by the German leadership in the last 20 years. And as for any Leopard factory in Ukraine, it will be destroyed within hours of its opening ceremony by the Russians.

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