Thanks Mark for the perspective on Putin’s monologue. I am so sick of the vile propaganda spewing from our media, ie the CIA, and all the “Western” dictatorships that I am maybe a little too eager to accept the opinion of the other side.
Ukraine flag is flying over a government building next to parliament.
Mark ruined the imperial war museum for me.
In the section of a special exhibition on spies, they had an analysis of Russian spying and the Skirpal poisoning that mentioned Bellingcat, an organization dedicated to diversity, etc. per the exhibition text - read more like a press release.
And no mention of the Cambridge Five.
And the Ww1 exhibition mentioned the German 6,000 killed atrocities in Belgium and France.
No mention of Britains incredible propaganda’s skill
Or of how the Lusitania was carrying ammunition.
Or Britains involvement in the British mandate, or of the Sykes-Picot line.
Joking aside, I expected a lot more, and it was much smaller than I expected.
What was missing was any mention of patriotism. It was in the recruitment posters. The museum felt more impartial in the exhibitions text.
My daughter mentioned she liked Paul Allen’s Washington air museum more, which even had a scud missile and a Kettenkrad (tracked motorcycle).
Basically nothing before ww1. Not much of a discussion of how technology has changed warfare. And not much of a discussion on the society changes caused by ww1. West points museum did a nice job on weapon development.
I guess very limited space that has not expanded much in the past 75 years.
Liked your assessment, Mark. I have seen Putin totally dominate in previous interviews where he seemed to have mastered his brief. It seems to me that he was ill-advised in this instance, since his method of talking may have worked well in Russia, but not so much in America. It doesn't cause me to change my view of the tragedy of this war, caused by NATO, but it is a missed opportunity to win more support in the West for endinh the war.
The hubris of western media, who see no meaning in history, who have lost their civilisation, who expect responses on their own terms. Who don’t understand that it matters not that they disagree with the Russians seeing meaning in history. Rather that the Russian viewpoint is what matters and they had better learn to live with it.
I watched the interview today with rapt attention. Mr Putin is a well spoken man and has an incredible grasp of history and economics. Many here have commented that Putin’s deep dive in the history of the region (834?) and a short primer of the geography involved was a complete waste of time and was most certainly over the head of most Americans. I must say this is certainly not Putin’s fault that the average American mind has been seriously damaged by the internet. A 2 minute ‘sound bite’ or at most a 5 minute read begins to seriously stress their attention span. So be it. TC requested an interview and placed no time limits on it. Mr Putin used the opportunity to express his opinion and Russia’s side of this conflict in Ukraine in a manner of his choosing- to say he was wrong is confrontational. I agree with Putin’s assessment that to ‘weaponize’ the US$ and SWIFT system of payments was an incredible blunder yet I’ve been hearing lately the US is getting serious about seizing the ‘frozen’ Russian foreign currency and give it Ukraine. Some people never learn.
The war continues. The weapons flood into Ukraine almost faster than Ukrainian interests can ‘steal’ them and sell them on the black market. The Hamas, the Hezbollah and the Houthis are armed to the teeth from this. The death and suffering in Ukraine is beyond belief and yet American is ok with this- life goes on like normal. Super Bowl is far more important to the average American than a 30 minute history lesson about a country they would much rather demonize. For the record- I am Canadian by birth, living out my ‘golden’ years in Peru by choice. God help the world- it’s well beyond fucked up!!!
My impression from having watched the first hour is that the United States isn't the only country with a Monroe Doctrine and that the Biden State Department, particularly Victoria Newland, was and is totally ignorant of that fact.
“Know your audience,” think Marshall McLuhan: your audience is the formal cause of what you do and say! There are no mistakes at Putin’s level. It is planned.
Tucker made the mistake. He is a TELEVISION Paradigm (illusion machine/box) guy: interview, quick answers, rhetorical, debate within a box, say whatever you can get away with.
Has anyone considered that we don’t live in the TELEVISION paradigm anymore? Does anyone recognize that Russia/China never lived in that paradigm? Anyone recognize that Globalism is dead and in the dustbin? China and Russia do.
We are in the DIGITAL paradigm now. It’s about figuring out what something actually is, not fantasizing, and most importantly MEMORY. Exactly what Putin did.
Putin knows who his audience is, and it’s not a made for Television audience.
Russia and China are very spiritual civilizations. Very much about retrieving their sacred texts and history.
Why did Putin not “talk” to the American Television? Because the West is in radical decline, with no possibility of ending in anything but a crash. The Chinese and Russians feel aggrieved and lied to. They are done with this. There are no elites in the West and US anymore. The “elite” institutions no longer try to produce them. They simply do not exist anymore, with no plan to correct this. The Russians and Chinese do not want the West to crash, but they understand it is going to happen, so they are preparing for this by producing their own elites, which will become the ones people everywhere else look to in the next 100+ years, not the West.
Putin knows the audience he has to talk to, the West is still fantasizing about itself. He also knows that there is likely to be great conflict in the coming years/decades as the “sick man” of the West, thrashes about…Putin also knows that the youngest will not tolerate the same old narratives/stories out of the West and a new generation “gap” and “culture war,” is on the horizon. The way I put it is: In the DIGITAL/Robot paradigm, what good are the humans? Think Norbert Weiner and Kissinger’s last book on AI. The coming war is “what does it mean to be human?” This is a very spiritual discussion, and one that the Russians and Chinese are well ahead of us in dealing with.
The US/West tends to think in terms of very short term. China and Russia think in terms of generations down the road: great grandchildren and beyond. They want stability, and the West failing is causing great instability that they now have to figure out how to deal with: audience is all those places that are also concerned (see India, Middle East) and take history seriously and want to get past the fantasies (including borders) of the post modern world.
In listening to Putin I was struck by the difference between him and Biden. He was lucid and had a grasp of a lot of details, both historical and economical. Our Deep State and Neocons have led us astray and I worry about our economic future for my grandchildren.
Seems like he used this forum to speak to his people rather than a message to those in the West. In time, we'll have better optics on this approach and strategy.
The interview showed how Putin behaves himself always. Tucker had no chance to abbreviate the history lesson for the sake of a riveting interview or he would have been criticized for rudeness.
The old authoritarian is still there.
But I did enjoy the opportunity we had to look into the man The West despises and vilifies.
It was refreshing to watch a politician able to intelligently converse on many issues and clearly a major player in the 'Great Game' and not a puppet of unseen oligarch hands parroting Imperialist lies.
A good interview of a style now extinct in the soundbite driven West. I felt hopeful at the end of the interview as it conveyed that there are pragmatists and realists still left in the world.
I found Tucker’s post interview remarks of interest. https://dianekern.substack.com/p/tuckers-misstep
Thanks Mark for the perspective on Putin’s monologue. I am so sick of the vile propaganda spewing from our media, ie the CIA, and all the “Western” dictatorships that I am maybe a little too eager to accept the opinion of the other side.
Report from London
Ukraine flag is flying over a government building next to parliament.
Mark ruined the imperial war museum for me.
In the section of a special exhibition on spies, they had an analysis of Russian spying and the Skirpal poisoning that mentioned Bellingcat, an organization dedicated to diversity, etc. per the exhibition text - read more like a press release.
And no mention of the Cambridge Five.
And the Ww1 exhibition mentioned the German 6,000 killed atrocities in Belgium and France.
No mention of Britains incredible propaganda’s skill
Or of how the Lusitania was carrying ammunition.
Or Britains involvement in the British mandate, or of the Sykes-Picot line.
Joking aside, I expected a lot more, and it was much smaller than I expected.
What was missing was any mention of patriotism. It was in the recruitment posters. The museum felt more impartial in the exhibitions text.
My daughter mentioned she liked Paul Allen’s Washington air museum more, which even had a scud missile and a Kettenkrad (tracked motorcycle).
Basically nothing before ww1. Not much of a discussion of how technology has changed warfare. And not much of a discussion on the society changes caused by ww1. West points museum did a nice job on weapon development.
I guess very limited space that has not expanded much in the past 75 years.
Boris Johnson editorial reply, just a bunch of name calling and super wishful thinking on Ukraine.
I wonder if Boris Johnson actually believes what he wrote?
Same with Nuelands recent statement in Ukraine. Was she sincere? Or just hoping for a miracle?
Are they delusional, or deliberately lying?
remove paywall works great.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/columnists/article-13066311/BORIS-JOHNSON-Putin-Tucker-Carlson-interview-stooge-Hitler-charade.html
Liked your assessment, Mark. I have seen Putin totally dominate in previous interviews where he seemed to have mastered his brief. It seems to me that he was ill-advised in this instance, since his method of talking may have worked well in Russia, but not so much in America. It doesn't cause me to change my view of the tragedy of this war, caused by NATO, but it is a missed opportunity to win more support in the West for endinh the war.
The hubris of western media, who see no meaning in history, who have lost their civilisation, who expect responses on their own terms. Who don’t understand that it matters not that they disagree with the Russians seeing meaning in history. Rather that the Russian viewpoint is what matters and they had better learn to live with it.
Sadly I don’t see that happening.
I watched the interview today with rapt attention. Mr Putin is a well spoken man and has an incredible grasp of history and economics. Many here have commented that Putin’s deep dive in the history of the region (834?) and a short primer of the geography involved was a complete waste of time and was most certainly over the head of most Americans. I must say this is certainly not Putin’s fault that the average American mind has been seriously damaged by the internet. A 2 minute ‘sound bite’ or at most a 5 minute read begins to seriously stress their attention span. So be it. TC requested an interview and placed no time limits on it. Mr Putin used the opportunity to express his opinion and Russia’s side of this conflict in Ukraine in a manner of his choosing- to say he was wrong is confrontational. I agree with Putin’s assessment that to ‘weaponize’ the US$ and SWIFT system of payments was an incredible blunder yet I’ve been hearing lately the US is getting serious about seizing the ‘frozen’ Russian foreign currency and give it Ukraine. Some people never learn.
The war continues. The weapons flood into Ukraine almost faster than Ukrainian interests can ‘steal’ them and sell them on the black market. The Hamas, the Hezbollah and the Houthis are armed to the teeth from this. The death and suffering in Ukraine is beyond belief and yet American is ok with this- life goes on like normal. Super Bowl is far more important to the average American than a 30 minute history lesson about a country they would much rather demonize. For the record- I am Canadian by birth, living out my ‘golden’ years in Peru by choice. God help the world- it’s well beyond fucked up!!!
Point taken, however I would add we need to also listen differently, note emphasis upon ‘also.’ https://dianekern.substack.com/p/professor-putin?utm_source=profile&utm_medium=reader2
My impression from having watched the first hour is that the United States isn't the only country with a Monroe Doctrine and that the Biden State Department, particularly Victoria Newland, was and is totally ignorant of that fact.
TC: Who do you think will win the Superbowl?
Putin: *recounts entire history of American football * * doesn't pick a team*
Well, we ejected them from the Taylor Swift inter-culture idol processing network, so he cannot pick a team.
Thanks for the post Mark.
“Know your audience,” think Marshall McLuhan: your audience is the formal cause of what you do and say! There are no mistakes at Putin’s level. It is planned.
Tucker made the mistake. He is a TELEVISION Paradigm (illusion machine/box) guy: interview, quick answers, rhetorical, debate within a box, say whatever you can get away with.
Has anyone considered that we don’t live in the TELEVISION paradigm anymore? Does anyone recognize that Russia/China never lived in that paradigm? Anyone recognize that Globalism is dead and in the dustbin? China and Russia do.
We are in the DIGITAL paradigm now. It’s about figuring out what something actually is, not fantasizing, and most importantly MEMORY. Exactly what Putin did.
Putin knows who his audience is, and it’s not a made for Television audience.
Russia and China are very spiritual civilizations. Very much about retrieving their sacred texts and history.
Why did Putin not “talk” to the American Television? Because the West is in radical decline, with no possibility of ending in anything but a crash. The Chinese and Russians feel aggrieved and lied to. They are done with this. There are no elites in the West and US anymore. The “elite” institutions no longer try to produce them. They simply do not exist anymore, with no plan to correct this. The Russians and Chinese do not want the West to crash, but they understand it is going to happen, so they are preparing for this by producing their own elites, which will become the ones people everywhere else look to in the next 100+ years, not the West.
Putin knows the audience he has to talk to, the West is still fantasizing about itself. He also knows that there is likely to be great conflict in the coming years/decades as the “sick man” of the West, thrashes about…Putin also knows that the youngest will not tolerate the same old narratives/stories out of the West and a new generation “gap” and “culture war,” is on the horizon. The way I put it is: In the DIGITAL/Robot paradigm, what good are the humans? Think Norbert Weiner and Kissinger’s last book on AI. The coming war is “what does it mean to be human?” This is a very spiritual discussion, and one that the Russians and Chinese are well ahead of us in dealing with.
The US/West tends to think in terms of very short term. China and Russia think in terms of generations down the road: great grandchildren and beyond. They want stability, and the West failing is causing great instability that they now have to figure out how to deal with: audience is all those places that are also concerned (see India, Middle East) and take history seriously and want to get past the fantasies (including borders) of the post modern world.
In listening to Putin I was struck by the difference between him and Biden. He was lucid and had a grasp of a lot of details, both historical and economical. Our Deep State and Neocons have led us astray and I worry about our economic future for my grandchildren.
Seems like he used this forum to speak to his people rather than a message to those in the West. In time, we'll have better optics on this approach and strategy.
The interview showed how Putin behaves himself always. Tucker had no chance to abbreviate the history lesson for the sake of a riveting interview or he would have been criticized for rudeness.
The old authoritarian is still there.
But I did enjoy the opportunity we had to look into the man The West despises and vilifies.
MSM view - use remove paywall if needed. What an interesting contrast:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-13065007/Tucker-Carlson-Vladimir-Putin-stunt-Hitler-concentration-camps-Russian-President-mad-bad-dangerous-fool-ANDREW-NEIL.html
It was refreshing to watch a politician able to intelligently converse on many issues and clearly a major player in the 'Great Game' and not a puppet of unseen oligarch hands parroting Imperialist lies.
A good interview of a style now extinct in the soundbite driven West. I felt hopeful at the end of the interview as it conveyed that there are pragmatists and realists still left in the world.