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Dr. Pierre Kory: Super Interview
Apologies for being late with a post today. The day was a busy one for me, with much of it spent transcribing what I thought were the especially relevant parts of an interview with Dr. Pierre Kory, President of the Front Line COVID-19 Critical Care Alliance (FLCCC). A very brief summary of the interview, in article form, can be found here, along with the full Rumble video. I think readers will find these lengthy excerpts quite interesting and even powerful. The focus—at least of the excerpts I’ve included below—is on excess mortality resulting from the Covid injections, as well as treatment for those who have been injured. What I’ve left out, for the most part, are the portions that deal with the efforts on the part of the American Board of Internal Medicine to silence Kory as well as most of the questions. I think you’ll see that it flows pretty well without those—plus, it was a matter of time and space.
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Before I get to the transcript, I want to post two links to articles that are directly relevant to much of what Kory discusses. In fact, the second of the two links contains a discussion of an article that Kory also references:
Here is my list of over 35 leading indicators that the momentum is moving in our favor. I'd be surprised if the narrative doesn't fall apart soon. It's now unravelling quickly in the UK.
For some “polite” conservatives, projecting virtue where it doesn’t exist is a daily survival mechanism. They have to believe someone is honestly counting the votes.
Kory is a lifelong liberal, but he has recently urged those who follow him to vote Republican. The most moving parts of the interview come near the end, where he makes it clear that he has been mugged by reality, both as a professional but also in his personal life:
I definitely think, and Robert Malone agrees, that they [establishment med/science] are getting really nervous on the "inside". There are a lot of people who promoted these policies and that pushed this vaccine campaign [grimaces] vociferously and aggressively even when the data was coming out that the initial trials were fraudulent. They mischaracterized, they manipulated the data, they ignored safety signals. Those people who were responsible for that, here's the thing. When you look at the FDA and the regulatory posture they assume, suddenly in Covid they completely departed from decades of regulatory policy. Meaning, when VAERS started filling with death reports and hundreds of thousands of injuries, on a novel product that you just introduced the general regulatory stance is to assume that that new drug or device is a cause until proven otherwise. What they did here, they just said: Nope--not caused by the vaccine. And they just assumed that it's NOT caused until proven that it is. By doing that--and they made no effort to prove that it was or it wasn't--they ignored fifteen months of a safety database which has been overflowing.
Jessica Rose said this best. The stopping points for these vaccines was probably reached in the second week of January, 2021. There were enough deaths being reported and enough injuries being reported that--had the FDA been functioning as it was supposed to--the vaccine campaign shoulda been stopped back then. We're fifteen months now, they're still pushing boosters, they're approving it for toddlers. I mean, there is NO LIMIT to this vaccine obsession! The rapaciousness of what this is, it's absolutely terrifying to behold.
[Pfizer held back reporting 1200 deaths in the trial population.] When you look at that trial population, that within nine weeks of the end of the trial 1,200 hundred people died? When you look at trials, they don't usually include the elderly, the sick, the infirm, multiple comorbidities. It's generally younger and healthy people. And to have 1,200 from 42,000 die? In nine weeks? It is an overt and flagrant fraud which will go down in history as the most toxic medical intervention that will EVER have existed. This puts Tuskegee, this is like Mt. Everest ... I don't even know how to describe the scope and the scale of this tragedy.
[Progressive poison? The more shots you get the worse it is?] Yes. We clearly see the data showing a dose increase in toxicity. There are more and more injuries, more and more likelihood of being injured, the more shots you get. Again, we know the data. We look at the totality of the data from wherever we can, because they're also manipulating and suppressing the data, and that's been reported. The NYT published a few months ago that there's a number of instances where the CDC just doesn't document or share data. And, by the way, the CDC, their main job? It's to collect data and disseminate it to the public.
There's an editorial Mafia at the high impact journals that have not published and will not accept papers that show the adverse events or the toxicity of these vaccines, ...
What I'm going to come back at them with is lots of very well done analyses on pre-print servers, I will use epidemiological data taken from the life insurance industry, the disability data taken from the US government, even the CDC morbidity and mortality statistics. You can see this rise in working age deaths, which began at the end of Quarter 1 in 2021. There are actually a couple of good peer reviewed papers that REALLY SHOW the minimum toxicity of these vaccines, and it's absolutely frightening to behold. ...
I'm just shocked that it's gone on this long. Every time I think I'm being cynical, I'm actually being naive. I keep thinking that something's about to break. The deaths are now entering the news. The rash of sudden deaths in young people, you're starting to see news media articles. So, I hope that's the beginning of a groundswell and this will come right out in the open. There is one piece of data I found interesting this morning. I saw an analysis of the vaccination rates in 2022 in the UK, and they have plummeted. The amount that are not showing up for vaccines in 2022 is rapidly increasing in the UK. You can tell the general population and the average Joe who's been lied to, drowning in propaganda, and censored from really accurate and appropriate guidance and data--they're figuring this out. You can't hide a humanitarian catastrophe of this scale. You can't hide it even with all the propaganda and censorship. You have young people dying everywhere for no good reason. That can no longer be ignored.
... I don't wanna be too forgiving. The mandates are very totalitarian. The mandates across the world, the coercion, the loss of jobs, the inability to go to school unless you get vaccinated. That movement toward totalitarianism, it's my belief that there are people who understand and know what they're doing. They know they're pushing a toxic and ineffective intervention on the population. But the vast majority of leaders, I actually believe they're under the spell. They drank the Kool-aid. ...
The evidence of the fraud goes so deep. There was an article in Trialsite news today. One of the reporters did a deep dive into the initial documents that went into the FDA for approval for both Moderna and Pfizer. In those documents, the actual package that they gave the FDA, number one, they were lies. They said they did certain safety testing and analysis that they did NOT do, and they provided a lot of scientific evidence for a different product. For a different mRNA product that is not approved. It's absolutely absurd. The more you dig, it's insane. When you look at the data that the FDA and CDC unanimously approved for the toddlers, there's no evidence that it works. And when you look at the data manipulation that they did in that trial, even a third year medical student in reviewing that data could tell, Gee, that's odd! That they mischaracterized these events, that they didn't count all the Covid cases that were happening while they were being vaccinated. During the three shot schedule for the toddlers, there were two to three times as many Covid infections during the vaccinations as the unvaccinated. And they ignored those. It's endless. Everywhere you look you know this was a complete fraud. Ed Dowd says that. This is fraud, and those companies should, and I hope will, be held liable.
Ed Dowd has called bankruptcy for those companies. He thinks the truth is gonna come out, the evidence of fraud is overwhelming, and once that does come out ... My only worry is the POWER of the owners of pharmaceutical companies. These huge hedge funds, like Vanguard and Blackrock. They have so much power that you wonder. Money influences the courts. Are the courts gonna be on our side.
[Addressing David Martin's claim of 75-100 million deaths in the US.]
I think the excess mortality that we are seeing since the vaccine rollout, first of all, it’s historically unprecedented. A few months ago, a number of life insurance companies were reporting increases in life insurance claims for young working age Americans 18 to 65, between 18, 23, and up to 40%. Lincoln Financial, the fifth largest life insurance company in the country, just a week ago, announced that in the last quarter of 2021 there was a 163% increase in life insurance claims over historical baselines. [Struggles for words.] Those are the acute things, those are the drop-deads, the sudden cardiac arrests, the heart attacks and strokes. The excess mortaly of the cancers we are seeing, those cancers are going to continue to rage throughout the vaccinated population. That’s going to be going on for some time, and you're gonna see it in young people. And that's why the silence of the hospitals is so terrifying. ... To know that the deans sitting atop these major medical centers with neurologists and cardiologists, obstetricians and gynecologists, have been seeing strokes, infertility, heart attacks, in people with no comorbidities and very young ages. There's no way that the leaders of these health care institutions didn't know. Not one spoke up.
... The world has gone mad through unrelenting propaganda and censorship. The entire world is acting on really bad and fraudulent information that they think is true and just and accurate and backed by science. And it is not backed by science. ...
... the media is ignoring it, suppressing it ...
They're starting to talk about excess mortality in the UK, but here? There are people still walking around angry at the unvaccinated, still thinking that they're the cause of all of the problems, and still thinking that the vaccines are safe and effective. It's what they've been told from every single point, every single media and journal and agency and health officials. The president! They've all been told that the vaccines are safe and effective. ...
[Pushed again on David Martin's 75-100 million American deaths.]
That number I have no idea. I hope that's not true. I do know that the estimates, using the VAERS reports, using even conservative estimates, since the vaccine rollout in this country, the estimates range from about 3-400,000 up to about 800,000 Americans die because of the vaccines. Now that's not 75 million, and it's been about 15 months since the vaccines rolled out. I don't know about the next few years, I don't know what those diseases, I don't wanna be scare mongering, either.
There's two ways to look at it. One is directly related to the vaccine, which I don't think cancers are being associated. ... But if you bring in the cancers that are showing up in excess deaths, and particularly in young people, because when you see young people dying at rates that they never have historically, those ARE several hundreds of thousands more that are driving those life insurance numbers. It's an outrageous and unfathomable amount of death from a medical intervention. ... I do think that the vaccine uptake is gonna decrease. And then these new viruses that are popping up that purportedly have vaccines in preparation--Monkey virus and now we're hearing about Marburg--I don't think those vaccine campaigns are gonna get off the ground. I'm hoping we can get this stopped before we get anywhere near the numbers that David Martin's talking about.
[Asked about practice with patients with vaccine injuries.]
I see a number of patterns. One is, I see a patient who started developing symptoms within minutes to hours and those symptoms continued and they spread into a diverse set, and they become debilitated and disabled. Almost all the patients we are seeing are disabled. They cannot work, or if they work they're very limited in how much they can do. That is one pattern. Another pattern is they may have had some acute reactions--sore arm, fever, flu like symptoms--they get better, and then a week or two later weird stuff starts to happen. The most common set of symptoms that I see are, number one, fatigue. The vast majority have like a chronic fatigue syndrome presentation. They have no energy in the morning, they have post exertional malaise--they're in bed for a day or two after normal activity. The third thing I see is brain fog, which is deficits in short term memory, concentration, like word finding difficulty. The last thing is what I call neuropathic symptoms. And they're all being gaslit [?], because they're coming saying that they're having electric shock-like feelings. They feel like their bodies are vibrating, they have twitches in their face, their arms. Sometimes they have whole body convulsions while awake. I think a lot of doctors think they're malingering, they're exaggerating their injuries. They have no control over these movements or these sensations, and it's coming from inflammation in the brain. We know that. It's sub-radiographic inflammation of the brain. They give them MRIs and CTs and they're normal. When MRIs and CTs are normal, that means the patient has anxiety or is crazy. That's the other sadness. Every single patient I see, the first ten minutes is spent detailing their journey through the health system. All the tests they've gotten, and all the gaslighting they've gotten. Very rarely will they tell me that a doctor offered them a specific treatment.
On the positive side, we are figuring out how to help these patients. I will say that every patient that comes to see me I'm able to help to some degree. I'm struggling with some, but I'm [also] having really robust responses. I use a combination of therapies and trials of therapies ... with our evolving knowledge of what the spike protein is doing in the body as well as the lipid nanoparticles. I won't say that we've figured this out, not by a long shot, this is a super complex disease, but I'm trying and I'm relieving suffering. ...
For the long haul and the post-vax it's the first drug that I use and it's the backbone of what I use. I use it for very different purposes than in early treatment [of Covid the disease] where it's really working as an anti-viral. In long haul and post-vax we're using it because it's one of the most tightly binding drugs to the spike protein. So, if there's any circulating spike or it's elaborated from the cells that break down--or even if there's fragments of spike--we believe Ivermectin is binding to it and mitigating any further damage. Ivermectin also does a lot of things to the immune system in changing some of the activated immune cells to less activated, it's got anti-inflammatory properties. That medication, I get the most frequent positive responses. I have a minority who take it and, Didn't do a thing. The vast majority say, Some important symptoms started getting better. Sometimes I have incredibly robust responses. ...
[Discussion of book coming out on Ivermectin in September]
It's a personal narrative of my sort of first hand witnessing of the global disinformation campaign to suppress the evidence of efficacy of Ivermectin. All of the actions they took, from retracting peer reviewed papers to putting clearly biased and erroneous newspaper articles everywhere to attacking researchers to censorship on all social media--all of it. They've done everything they could to make sure that Ivermectin stayed out of the marketplace. I gotta tell you, in the advanced health economies around the world, they've largely succeeded. Not everywhere. 25% of the world actually uses Ivermectin in the treatment of Covid.
They've caused untold death. We've already talked about the vaccine. The suppression of early treatment is the root cause of many other hundreds of thousands of deaths. Let me just say that one last thing. That kind of disinformation that the pharmaceutical industry executes, they've been doing that for decades, and they've paid billions in criminal fines for having done it before. They are really good at suppressing evidence of toxicity of their products, which cause death. They've suppressed it constantly--remember we had Vioxx and Ivambia [?]. All the big players have done it and they've all paid many billions of fines for doing it. So we know this is their standard operating procedure. They suppress evidence of toxicity; they go after repurposed drugs with fraudulent trials, with conflicted researchers; and then they do manipulated trials of their own products to show that they work. When I see how the business world operates and how that pharmaceutical industry operates--it is a criminal industry. There's decades of documented proof that they do operate like criminals. They do not care. They do not care if their products cause death. They do not care if they suppress evidence of efficacy of a generic med that could save lives. They don't care. They need their products to be paid for and distributed and disseminated, and they will eliminate all competitors, and I had to be subjected to a front row seat for that corruption against Ivermectin for 15 months.
The world's gone mad ... I think there's gonna be a groundswell. The data's coming out. ... I don't think [vax advocates] have the psychological capacity to say [publicly]: I got this wrong. I was fooled. I was lied to. I did not critically question the data that was being presented to me. I think a few will be able to come around to that new perspective but I see them doubling down. ... I wish I could help people figure this out. I don't know.
I'd like every group--the airline pilots, the cops, the firefighters, the teachers. I mean, the poor teachers! What they've been subjected to. It's every section of society. And especially the health care providers. They were the first, and still are mandated in a lot of institutions. It's affected everyone equally, except for some of the elites. I don't know.
That's a fair point [that the effect on health care professionals will be extreme for the system], because I've been writing some substacks on reports from the front lines, and I've been talking to some expert, veteran clinicians and nurses inside the hospitals. There have been quite a few stories of kinda super specialists in their fields who were vaccinated who died from the vaccine at unexpected times, and a lot of these hospitals it's difficult to recruit a highly specialized doctor, and so you are seeing seasoned doctors fall ill and or die. There's gonna be a void there.
It's so sad. I really do feel bad for them. And let me be really humble. When the vaccines rolled out, I had just left a job, and so in that period I did not have to get the vaccine, and I didn't get one. Had I been actively working in an ICU, I will tell you, what I knew about vaccines at that time and what I knew about the vaccination industry was very little. I never really questioned vaccines. I always thought they were a universal good. I probably would have been vaccinated. To keep my job and to keep working. I coulda been one of those victims. It was around March or April that I saw enough to know, to start telling people to stop getting vaccinated. But in those first couple of months [shrugs] I don't know that I woulda known. Listen, my wife is vaccinated. Paul Marik [his colleague] got vaccinated during that time. He didn't question it.
I keep saying that this is incredible, unbelievable, unfathomable, but it's like the worst horror thriller movie--you can't even make a movie about this. This is the world that I grew up in, that I was generally happy in, and generally trusting of--the systems and structures of society--and in the span of a year or two it goes completely sideways and exposes and unearths a depth of depravity and corruption that I could never imagine outside of a movie.