Their can be no peace if they hold the hostages. Hamas knew what would happen when they did what they did. They did not care about the people in Palestinian then and they don't care now. Let's us remember their creed from the river to the sea.
Let's not forget why they took hostages. I'll use Wikipedia as a reference here, because even with their pro-Israel bias, they still have to report the widely acknowledged facts, which are:
"In April 2022, there were 4,450 Palestinian security prisoners in Israeli prisons – including 160 children, 32 women, and over 1,000 "administrative detainees" (indefinitely incarcerated without charge).[4] According to B'tselem, since the outbreak of the Israel-Hamas war on 7 October 2023, Palestinians prisoners with Israeli citizenship have been stripped of many of their rights .[5] It further found that abuse of detainees is so institutionalized that the prisons should be called 'torture camps'.[6]
I would draw a comparison to the internment of Japanese people during WWII in the US and Canada. Actually, given the kind of well documented treatment the Palestinians receive while in custody (including official declarations) that's probably putting it too mildly. Maybe the internment of the Boers in South African is more appropriate.
If you bother to read the Israel press, which has published several opinion polls, you'll notice the great majority of Israelis are in complete support of these policies. Not surprising since like Americans, they've been indoctrinated into that viewpoint since they were little kids.
Here's a cold hard fact. When someone is trying to exterminate you, you have every right to respond in kind, including using the same methods as your oppressor. There's no moral high ground to be found in that response. All it represents is the natural instinct to survive, which we all possess. Given that fact, it's a mistake to even venture down that road since a response in kind is all you can reasonably expect.
Hamas knew that Israel would commit genocide on this scale? I don't buy that. Can there be peace as long as Israel holds thousands of hostages who are being tortured?
Trump can say all the things he wants, but there’s nothing really he can do. I think it’s more rhetoric than it is anything else he’s not interested in starting another war and he’s certainly not interested in confronting anybody, going to in a nuclear showdown.
Given what I have read the last several weeks, we don’t have the military capability to go in anywhere and do anything . we would be lucky if we could put 150,000 troops on the ground but according to somebody like Colonel Doug McGregor, we might last six weeks in the field. We do not have a battle hardened army any longer. Also, we do not have the industrial capability to turn out the munitions that we would need to use in any type of ground offensive. as has been stated we are running low on everything because we have been supplying Israel and Ukraine with everything they wanted now we don’t have enough left to defend ourselves and certainly not enough to start an offensive.
Trump is going to find out the hard reality when he gets in there that we don’t have the resources to do anything . So all he can do is run his mouth to no end and threaten. Guess what Putin isn’t going to be scared or impressed will China and Iran. We are basically a paper dragon at this point.
I saw earlier today that we were going to be putting hypersonic missiles on our carrier task force groups. As far as I know, we don’t have hypersonic missiles and we don’t have a kinetic energy bomb either. Right now Russia is probably a good 10 or 15 years ahead of us technologically. There’s another thing Trump is gonna have to learn is that we do not have the capability to go to toe with them on anything?
The best thing Trump could do is to withdraw all support from the Middle East and from Ukraine, and acknowledge the fact we do not have the capability and resources to fight war much less too, and we cannot take on the Chinese in the south China sea either
What Trump needs to do is concentrate solely on rebuilding this country. We’re going to have to let the idea of thinking we are still the soul superpower, and the shots go.
Note I read last week with the addition of the Scandinavian countries in the NATO. We are building another 47 overseas bases in those countries that’s going to bring the count to overseas military bases. We have to all almost 900. We can’t afford all of these overseas bases any longer, and we need to cut back on at least half of them or more. We can no longer afford the defense budget that we have. The glory days are over and they’ve been over for a long time.
Trump is living in the past as far as the perceived military that he thinks we have and he certainly didn’t really rebuild the military during his four years in office. How is he going to confront the fact that we are not able to hit recruitment goals? Would it not be the irony of irony Trump had to reinstate the draft just to keep our military maintained at a certain level how would he sell that to the United States public.
"Would it not be the irony of irony Trump had to reinstate the draft just to keep our military maintained at a certain level how would he sell that to the United States public."
A draft is out of the question and you can be sure the Democrats would run some very strong opposition to the idea, which would no doubt scotch the mid-terms for the Republicans.
This is just speculation on my part, but if Trump actually tries to deport the illegals, watch him also offer a deal to those of military age. Serve in the US military for 5 years (the time it takes to become a citizen) and poof! You're an American citizen. How you'd actually screen them is another question - perhaps once inside the military the bad actors can be weeded out, maybe by sending them on combat missions to Iran...lol.
I doubt that Trump even knows how to play chess. Monopoly seems more his speed. Speaking of which, looks like Hunter just pulled the 'get out of jail free' card.
Freudian Slip? Being a target of several assassination attempts, one would understand if the victim is now slightly PTSD. I might, myself, be delusional enough to think this approach could fend off these attacks until he is behind the desk in the Oval Office Jan. 20.
The mania that Trump is deploying with these wildly-inconsistent statements and appointments needs to come with a "Front Toward Enemy" warning on it. I don't know who is more perplexed by his whole act, his hard-won supporters or the opposition.
Sadly, I think this is tied in with Israel's defeat in Lebanon and what looks like they're failed attempt (with Turkey and the US) to overthrow Assad. I suspect the donors are calling in the chips, telling Trump what to say to show total commitment to the Zionist entity.
Yep, was trying to make light of the frustration, but I fear you are 100% correct. They are definitely pulling out all stops on every front. The .mil helicopter traffic directly over my house (presumably from Pentagon to Langley and back) has been insane these past two weeks.
What a disgusting bully. There will be no difference between Trump and Biden. Due to his astronomic EGO and the bunch of rabid warmongers and Zionists he has selected it’s probably going to be even worse. The USA Uniparty Zionist government is the biggest terrorist organization in the world that has killed with total impunity millions of innocent civilians since WW2, starting with the awful crimes in Vietnam. I’m not optimistic any longer.
Because Trump SAYS something, that's as good as it being done. Why Hamas should just fold before Jan 20 or Gaza will be: leveled, destroyed, pulverized, with thousands of innocents killed!
Or what Mr Trump? Where is Hamas? They are hiding in the rubble, which the US and Israel already created. And they will come out when the time is right. You'll have another chance to help Israel finish off what's left of Gaza.
Anyone else tired of the warmongering? The threats? The destruction? The murder?
I'm wishing neither Trump nor Harris would have won.
I’m getting a bad feeling that it doesn’t matter who the president is when it comes to the thrashing of an empire in its death throes. Will Trump figure out that his adversaries hold all the high cards before it’s too late? I have put a great deal of faith in him, out of optimism and the lack of a better place to put it but god, he may be the worst
I believe on one level it’s a bluff. Tough talk. He wants the comparison to Reagan and the release of those hostages upon Reagan’s inauguration. But if he fails to follow through? Another bumbling leader of the the empire in decline? Who knows with this guy. It truly is a mixed bag. But it was better than the alternative. Gonna be an interesting time
The argument is made that Trump was "forced" to sanction Russia and ship more advanced arms than Obama had been willing to to Ukraine--because he needed to get re-elected. But he laid the groundwork for war with Russia by those actions. And look where that has landed us. Why would we trust him on this again? I'm tired of losing in this way.
Agreed. Not what we voted for. But still on balance better than the alternative. Methinks DJT is, on this point, all bluster and noise, no followup.
Terrible comments by Trump.
Their can be no peace if they hold the hostages. Hamas knew what would happen when they did what they did. They did not care about the people in Palestinian then and they don't care now. Let's us remember their creed from the river to the sea.
Let's not forget why they took hostages. I'll use Wikipedia as a reference here, because even with their pro-Israel bias, they still have to report the widely acknowledged facts, which are:
"In April 2022, there were 4,450 Palestinian security prisoners in Israeli prisons – including 160 children, 32 women, and over 1,000 "administrative detainees" (indefinitely incarcerated without charge).[4] According to B'tselem, since the outbreak of the Israel-Hamas war on 7 October 2023, Palestinians prisoners with Israeli citizenship have been stripped of many of their rights .[5] It further found that abuse of detainees is so institutionalized that the prisons should be called 'torture camps'.[6]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinians_in_Israeli_custody
I would draw a comparison to the internment of Japanese people during WWII in the US and Canada. Actually, given the kind of well documented treatment the Palestinians receive while in custody (including official declarations) that's probably putting it too mildly. Maybe the internment of the Boers in South African is more appropriate.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Boer_War_concentration_camps
Japanese internment of British subjects in Singapore also has many similarities.
https://www.iwm.org.uk/history/a-short-history-of-civilian-internment-camps-in-east-asia
If you bother to read the Israel press, which has published several opinion polls, you'll notice the great majority of Israelis are in complete support of these policies. Not surprising since like Americans, they've been indoctrinated into that viewpoint since they were little kids.
Here's a cold hard fact. When someone is trying to exterminate you, you have every right to respond in kind, including using the same methods as your oppressor. There's no moral high ground to be found in that response. All it represents is the natural instinct to survive, which we all possess. Given that fact, it's a mistake to even venture down that road since a response in kind is all you can reasonably expect.
Hamas knew that Israel would commit genocide on this scale? I don't buy that. Can there be peace as long as Israel holds thousands of hostages who are being tortured?
Trump can say all the things he wants, but there’s nothing really he can do. I think it’s more rhetoric than it is anything else he’s not interested in starting another war and he’s certainly not interested in confronting anybody, going to in a nuclear showdown.
Given what I have read the last several weeks, we don’t have the military capability to go in anywhere and do anything . we would be lucky if we could put 150,000 troops on the ground but according to somebody like Colonel Doug McGregor, we might last six weeks in the field. We do not have a battle hardened army any longer. Also, we do not have the industrial capability to turn out the munitions that we would need to use in any type of ground offensive. as has been stated we are running low on everything because we have been supplying Israel and Ukraine with everything they wanted now we don’t have enough left to defend ourselves and certainly not enough to start an offensive.
Trump is going to find out the hard reality when he gets in there that we don’t have the resources to do anything . So all he can do is run his mouth to no end and threaten. Guess what Putin isn’t going to be scared or impressed will China and Iran. We are basically a paper dragon at this point.
I saw earlier today that we were going to be putting hypersonic missiles on our carrier task force groups. As far as I know, we don’t have hypersonic missiles and we don’t have a kinetic energy bomb either. Right now Russia is probably a good 10 or 15 years ahead of us technologically. There’s another thing Trump is gonna have to learn is that we do not have the capability to go to toe with them on anything?
The best thing Trump could do is to withdraw all support from the Middle East and from Ukraine, and acknowledge the fact we do not have the capability and resources to fight war much less too, and we cannot take on the Chinese in the south China sea either
What Trump needs to do is concentrate solely on rebuilding this country. We’re going to have to let the idea of thinking we are still the soul superpower, and the shots go.
Note I read last week with the addition of the Scandinavian countries in the NATO. We are building another 47 overseas bases in those countries that’s going to bring the count to overseas military bases. We have to all almost 900. We can’t afford all of these overseas bases any longer, and we need to cut back on at least half of them or more. We can no longer afford the defense budget that we have. The glory days are over and they’ve been over for a long time.
Trump is living in the past as far as the perceived military that he thinks we have and he certainly didn’t really rebuild the military during his four years in office. How is he going to confront the fact that we are not able to hit recruitment goals? Would it not be the irony of irony Trump had to reinstate the draft just to keep our military maintained at a certain level how would he sell that to the United States public.
“I think it’s more rhetoric than it is anything else.” Correct.
"Would it not be the irony of irony Trump had to reinstate the draft just to keep our military maintained at a certain level how would he sell that to the United States public."
A draft is out of the question and you can be sure the Democrats would run some very strong opposition to the idea, which would no doubt scotch the mid-terms for the Republicans.
This is just speculation on my part, but if Trump actually tries to deport the illegals, watch him also offer a deal to those of military age. Serve in the US military for 5 years (the time it takes to become a citizen) and poof! You're an American citizen. How you'd actually screen them is another question - perhaps once inside the military the bad actors can be weeded out, maybe by sending them on combat missions to Iran...lol.
I doubt that Trump even knows how to play chess. Monopoly seems more his speed. Speaking of which, looks like Hunter just pulled the 'get out of jail free' card.
Well played, ebear.
Heh... I see what you did there:)
I appreciate your efforts to try and understand it. What a moving target.
Freudian Slip? Being a target of several assassination attempts, one would understand if the victim is now slightly PTSD. I might, myself, be delusional enough to think this approach could fend off these attacks until he is behind the desk in the Oval Office Jan. 20.
The mania that Trump is deploying with these wildly-inconsistent statements and appointments needs to come with a "Front Toward Enemy" warning on it. I don't know who is more perplexed by his whole act, his hard-won supporters or the opposition.
Sadly, I think this is tied in with Israel's defeat in Lebanon and what looks like they're failed attempt (with Turkey and the US) to overthrow Assad. I suspect the donors are calling in the chips, telling Trump what to say to show total commitment to the Zionist entity.
Yep, was trying to make light of the frustration, but I fear you are 100% correct. They are definitely pulling out all stops on every front. The .mil helicopter traffic directly over my house (presumably from Pentagon to Langley and back) has been insane these past two weeks.
What a disgusting bully. There will be no difference between Trump and Biden. Due to his astronomic EGO and the bunch of rabid warmongers and Zionists he has selected it’s probably going to be even worse. The USA Uniparty Zionist government is the biggest terrorist organization in the world that has killed with total impunity millions of innocent civilians since WW2, starting with the awful crimes in Vietnam. I’m not optimistic any longer.
Because Trump SAYS something, that's as good as it being done. Why Hamas should just fold before Jan 20 or Gaza will be: leveled, destroyed, pulverized, with thousands of innocents killed!
Or what Mr Trump? Where is Hamas? They are hiding in the rubble, which the US and Israel already created. And they will come out when the time is right. You'll have another chance to help Israel finish off what's left of Gaza.
Anyone else tired of the warmongering? The threats? The destruction? The murder?
I'm wishing neither Trump nor Harris would have won.
I’m getting a bad feeling that it doesn’t matter who the president is when it comes to the thrashing of an empire in its death throes. Will Trump figure out that his adversaries hold all the high cards before it’s too late? I have put a great deal of faith in him, out of optimism and the lack of a better place to put it but god, he may be the worst
Yeah. Anglo-Zionism runs America.
I believe on one level it’s a bluff. Tough talk. He wants the comparison to Reagan and the release of those hostages upon Reagan’s inauguration. But if he fails to follow through? Another bumbling leader of the the empire in decline? Who knows with this guy. It truly is a mixed bag. But it was better than the alternative. Gonna be an interesting time
On a personal level That Trump would desire to take on the ' stain ' of Genocide
is surprising. He has an easy way out, now, but once he acts
the act and responsibility is his.
So on a personal level - surprised but not shocked.
On an ' American Business ' level I am also surprised
a threat without back up would be devastating
so I presume he intends to back it
US cannot even successfully ' handle ' Yemen, and the UN & ICC
have spoken - US is losing it's ' Genocide Coalition ' quickly
On an ' American Business ' level this will be costly both
economically as well as reputation On an Israeli business level
it too will be costly, they have lost tourism, investment, employment
military reserves are suffering.
I imagine ' Hell to Pay ' is bombing and slaughter
or inserting US troops either way it is lose lose lose
Lose in Ukraine Lose in Israel/Gaza Lose in Syria Lose in China Lose in Iran
Push allies eg: India further away
Agreed.
Going back a bit ...
The argument is made that Trump was "forced" to sanction Russia and ship more advanced arms than Obama had been willing to to Ukraine--because he needed to get re-elected. But he laid the groundwork for war with Russia by those actions. And look where that has landed us. Why would we trust him on this again? I'm tired of losing in this way.