Yesterday commenter Shy Boy cited another blog to the effect that Putin has dropped his demand that Ukraine “denazify”. As if that was never a serious demand on Putin’s part. I took issue with that view, and so I’d like to quote Putin’s Q&A session from March 7. It gives you a chance to hear what he actually has to say about the Ukraine situation.
In the end, Stalin out killed Hitler though over a longer period of time. There was never a Nuremberg Trial for Mao, Stalin, Ho or any of the rest and they out killed Hitler by millions. Putin rightly condemns Nazis but is silent and actually promoting Stalin.
So, the other blog is Riley Waggaman's "Edward Slavsquat" which I recommend as a first-person perspective on Russia and particularly the Russian government's approach to Covid.
Riley's anti-war, like many Muscovites. (It's illegal in Russia right now to call their Special Military Operation a "war".)
As for the "denazification" thing, I would expect it to be an constant and recurring theme in all Kremlin reporting, regardless of the real motives or priorities of the Russian state, because just about everybody hates Nazis, right? It's very awkward of the US propaganda machine right now to be tacitly supporting Nazis. This is just basic stuff, PR 101.
Real "denazification" is certainly not going to be accomplished by this not-war. Just look at Germany now. Beaucoup neo-Nazis, despite strict laws and a lot of cultural energy expended against them. Disarming the likes of the Azov Battalion in Ukraine, maybe trying them for the crimes they've committed, probably killing a few in combat.... sure, that's all good. Exposing who's been supporting them, though... that's got to be an important part of the information war.
A lot of this “Ukrainian Nazi” stuff came out of the fact that the Ukies flocked to the advancing German Army Groups South & Centre in Summer 1941 as “liberators” from Moscow. They joined German units first as “Hiwis” (“Hilfswilliger”) or auxiliary volunteers. They were formed later in entire units of their own in the Waffen SS, the latter containing units organized from literally every nation in Europe. For the most part - my research - has shown it was not Nazism that excited them but hatred of Stalin’s iron boot & the Holomodor of the 1930’s; the Stalin-manufactured famine used to exterminate about 3-6 million Ukrainians.
It’s the whole “the enemy of my enemy is my friend” type of thing.
Not @ all but I was speaking of the immediate motivator was something/anything to help them throw off the yoke of Stalin; the hatred of Poles/Jews manifesting itself once they were organized & had weapons & proper leadership.
Also - I encourage ppl to avoid referencing Wikipedia; it’s been severely compromised by the Left.
The point is that the activity in Volhynia and Galicia had nothing to do with Stalin or his yoke. These were Ukrainians who were never part of the USSR until after the war. The only yoke they wanted to throw off was the Polish yoke. They were plenty organized and had the leaders and weapons to launch a terror campaign.
The OUN got its start in the Polish parts of what's now called West Ukraine. It was these areas, not the Eastern areas, that were the hotbed of Ukrainian nationalism. They remain so today, and this is the area that the Nazis recruited in--not the Soviet parts. This is where the Neo-Nazis are strong today. The motivation for anti-Polish violence went back centuries before Stalin. Putin understands all of that.
Mr Wauck you’re free to “ignore” whatever, it’s your blog. However you’re falling into the typical leftist trap of labeling Nazis/Nazism “far right” instead of what it really is - far Left. This is why I pointed out Wikipedia is compromised. They - like the main stream media - do this all the time.
I think all that matters to those who facilitated the Maidan(sp?) Coup & continue to call the shots are that Ukraine be divided & in chaos so that its resources & aid are easily stolen/siphoned away. A personal piggy bank to them - Biden, Soros, Nuland, Obama, formerly McCain, Schiff. I wd add any pol beating drums for aid pkgs right now - McConnell, Rubio, etc. That is purely my gut opinion.
I think Kanekoa has put together a very good detailing of what was at play during the 2013/14 Maidan Coup and how the Nazi contingent was revived/regained status. It makes me ashamed. Altho American voters have very good reasons why we let our elite leaders get away w/the most despicable actions & behaviors imaginable, we still let them. It has to stop & the perps must face consequences equivalent to their cruel behaviors against innocents.
No, these just aren’t folks “we don’t like.” They are very open about their ideology.
Regarding Zelensky. It’s VERY counter-intuitive, but he (and the Ukr govt) have made a kind of deal with the devil in their fight to pull Ukraine westward.
Apropos of the confusion surrounding the terms Left/Right and Fascism/Communism, while Schwab’s father was a Nazi, he has a bust of Lenin on prominent display in his office! I’ll see if I can dig up the source. It really is something to behold.
In the end, Stalin out killed Hitler though over a longer period of time. There was never a Nuremberg Trial for Mao, Stalin, Ho or any of the rest and they out killed Hitler by millions. Putin rightly condemns Nazis but is silent and actually promoting Stalin.
So, the other blog is Riley Waggaman's "Edward Slavsquat" which I recommend as a first-person perspective on Russia and particularly the Russian government's approach to Covid.
http://edwardslavsquat.substack.com/
Riley's anti-war, like many Muscovites. (It's illegal in Russia right now to call their Special Military Operation a "war".)
As for the "denazification" thing, I would expect it to be an constant and recurring theme in all Kremlin reporting, regardless of the real motives or priorities of the Russian state, because just about everybody hates Nazis, right? It's very awkward of the US propaganda machine right now to be tacitly supporting Nazis. This is just basic stuff, PR 101.
Real "denazification" is certainly not going to be accomplished by this not-war. Just look at Germany now. Beaucoup neo-Nazis, despite strict laws and a lot of cultural energy expended against them. Disarming the likes of the Azov Battalion in Ukraine, maybe trying them for the crimes they've committed, probably killing a few in combat.... sure, that's all good. Exposing who's been supporting them, though... that's got to be an important part of the information war.
Mark, seen the latest from Luongo? Watching the odysee video right now which is fascinating:
https://tomluongo.me/2022/03/08/media-russian-objectives-europe-troubles-biden-betrayals/
I read it this morning but the videos weren't available at that time.
Some very good stuff. Interesting re Powell not being consulted re sanctions.
The discussion Mark highlighted on Russian Gold/Oil comes up again at ~35 min.
A lot of this “Ukrainian Nazi” stuff came out of the fact that the Ukies flocked to the advancing German Army Groups South & Centre in Summer 1941 as “liberators” from Moscow. They joined German units first as “Hiwis” (“Hilfswilliger”) or auxiliary volunteers. They were formed later in entire units of their own in the Waffen SS, the latter containing units organized from literally every nation in Europe. For the most part - my research - has shown it was not Nazism that excited them but hatred of Stalin’s iron boot & the Holomodor of the 1930’s; the Stalin-manufactured famine used to exterminate about 3-6 million Ukrainians.
It’s the whole “the enemy of my enemy is my friend” type of thing.
You're forgetting hatred of Poles and Jews. Much of Western Ukraine was in Poland until 1941.
Did you research this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacres_of_Poles_in_Volhynia_and_Eastern_Galicia
Not @ all but I was speaking of the immediate motivator was something/anything to help them throw off the yoke of Stalin; the hatred of Poles/Jews manifesting itself once they were organized & had weapons & proper leadership.
Also - I encourage ppl to avoid referencing Wikipedia; it’s been severely compromised by the Left.
I'm going to ignore your advice and suggest that you read these links:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacres_of_Poles_in_Volhynia_and_Eastern_Galicia#Interwar_period_in_Second_Polish_Republic
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacification_of_Ukrainians_in_Eastern_Galicia#Background
The point is that the activity in Volhynia and Galicia had nothing to do with Stalin or his yoke. These were Ukrainians who were never part of the USSR until after the war. The only yoke they wanted to throw off was the Polish yoke. They were plenty organized and had the leaders and weapons to launch a terror campaign.
I also recommend this article:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organization_of_Ukrainian_Nationalists
The OUN got its start in the Polish parts of what's now called West Ukraine. It was these areas, not the Eastern areas, that were the hotbed of Ukrainian nationalism. They remain so today, and this is the area that the Nazis recruited in--not the Soviet parts. This is where the Neo-Nazis are strong today. The motivation for anti-Polish violence went back centuries before Stalin. Putin understands all of that.
Mr Wauck you’re free to “ignore” whatever, it’s your blog. However you’re falling into the typical leftist trap of labeling Nazis/Nazism “far right” instead of what it really is - far Left. This is why I pointed out Wikipedia is compromised. They - like the main stream media - do this all the time.
Don't tell me what "traps" I'm falling into. I didn't use any labels of Left/Right. I spoke only of nationalism.
I think all that matters to those who facilitated the Maidan(sp?) Coup & continue to call the shots are that Ukraine be divided & in chaos so that its resources & aid are easily stolen/siphoned away. A personal piggy bank to them - Biden, Soros, Nuland, Obama, formerly McCain, Schiff. I wd add any pol beating drums for aid pkgs right now - McConnell, Rubio, etc. That is purely my gut opinion.
I think Kanekoa has put together a very good detailing of what was at play during the 2013/14 Maidan Coup and how the Nazi contingent was revived/regained status. It makes me ashamed. Altho American voters have very good reasons why we let our elite leaders get away w/the most despicable actions & behaviors imaginable, we still let them. It has to stop & the perps must face consequences equivalent to their cruel behaviors against innocents.
https://kanekoa.substack.com/p/how-obama-and-biden-installed-neo?s=w
Here's something Riley wrote about them seven years ago:
http://wonkette.com/ukrainian-nazis-seem-nice
I have been searching for the truth with respect to this matter, as well. Like you, I can’t determine what is true vs. what is propaganda.
Nick -
Same thing with the word “fascist”; I doubt most people really understand the true definition since it’s liberal use anymore as a smear.
Regarding the history on neo-fascists/nazis in Ukraine:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/BCQdjYkcudCw/
https://youtu.be/KfaAyiP8Wuc
https://youtu.be/pKcmNGvaDUs
No, these just aren’t folks “we don’t like.” They are very open about their ideology.
Regarding Zelensky. It’s VERY counter-intuitive, but he (and the Ukr govt) have made a kind of deal with the devil in their fight to pull Ukraine westward.
Apropos of the confusion surrounding the terms Left/Right and Fascism/Communism, while Schwab’s father was a Nazi, he has a bust of Lenin on prominent display in his office! I’ll see if I can dig up the source. It really is something to behold.
Here’s a piece from the Grayzone that tackles “How Ukraine’s Jewish president … made peace with neo-nazi paramilitaries…”
https://thegrayzone.com/2022/03/04/nazis-ukrainian-war-russia/