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Re Meloni:

https://twitter.com/sahouraxo/status/1583829863500156929

"Let's get out of NATO!"

Another massive protest against NATO and the EU on the streets of Paris, France today.

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As matters stand now I think they work hand in glove. NATO, including the US military, is totally on board with militant woke secular liberalism.

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Yes. I've had that open in a tab for several hours and hope to feature it.

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"My take is that probably sooner rather than later this episode will be seen as Meloni’s betrayal of the Italians who put her in power. Keeping the rest of Europe happy won’t pay the bills nor will it heat Italian homes. Meloni ran on a platform of Homeland, Family, and God. NATO as it is now is opposed to all three. No doubt this is just the beginning of the Globalist coup against Italy."

Edward Luttwak, who speaks Italian and seems quite knowledgeable about Italian politics, has been saying for quite a while that Meloni was pro NATO and would support the Ukraine war more vigorously than the previous government. I don't know what Meloni said to the Italian voters during the campaign as I didn't follow it closely. My assumption was that she was pro-family but didn't see that as incompatible with being pro-NATO, at least with respect to Ukraine. So based on my admittedly limited knowledge it's not a betrayal, but if she in fact misled the voters they may feel quite differently. Does an Italian PM ever last very long?

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It won't matter that she remains who she was. She will be perceived as choosing her views over what the majority of Italians view as their own legitimate interests. My view is that they will view that as a betrayal. A leader who fails to adjust views that are based on solid principle on the basis of evidence will be viewed as a betrayer, when that failure leads to catastrophe for the nation.

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Giffords is smart to go after the children issue. Very smart politics.

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If she was what she claimed, she would have told Brussels to go and screw themselves. She didn't.

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That kind of compromising has failed in the past. It's time for Italians to choose who they want to be ruled by.

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Agreed.

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Luongo is Italian and has a comprehensive thesis about Italy. In short, if Italy leaves the EU, the ECB will claim that Italy owes them billions for Covid relief - and this will be a legitimate legal claim - and Europe has the power, for now, to enforce their will over Italy.

The optimistic view is that Meloni is aware of this and has to tread cautiously, Sun Tzu style. If she went overtly against Davos that punk her out like Truss.

Obviously, she may just be a false messiah too, like Boris Johnson and Brexit as a whole.

I think the jury is still out on this one, and will be for a while yet.

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I shared some of her speeches with friends, knowing this was a possibility. But those speeches were just too good to keep to myself.

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In a slight defense of her (and I have NO special inside knowledge) she might be slow playing her opposition to the Davos crowd, at least outwardly, to avoid an attack on the Italian bond market aimed at taking down her gov't a la the attack on the markets in the UK. I don't know what she'd have to do in some interim period to strengthen her gov't to be able to withstand such an attack.

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Related, there is additional pressure on that the big forces have taken out Truss. Playing it coy makes sense.

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Well. she's slightly better looking than Truss. She does have that going for her, at least.

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