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There are more options than a simple choice between libertarianism and total restriction. I covered this a few years ago:

https://the-1000-year-view.com/2021/02/23/drug-policy-good-is-better-than-perfect/

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Aug 5, 2023·edited Aug 5, 2023

A couple of comments.

I go to lunch every other week with my fellow retirees. They are center-right or hard right. They are all vaccinated. We got on the subject of all the deaths that we read about, or, former young colleagues who have died in increased numbers. None of them seem to be aware of the shot's adverse reactions. I try to subtly go there, in a very non-threatening kind of way. The one man who is hard right and is very in the know about our country and its problems doesn't even seem to know.

I retired from the federal government last year. I resisted the shot and am glad that I did. It was originally due to objections to the use of embryonic stem cells. I thank the Lord that I am not vaccinated. If I had not been eligible to retire, I don't know if I would've had the courage to resist taking the jab. Our agency put out articles about various topics and allowed employees to comment. We had to use our real names to comment. I actively spoke out. I was careful not to cross any lines.

Those of us who resisted formed a group, unofficially, and I still keep up with them. We filed EEO complaints. Of course, all of our complaints were not sustained. The same for agencies like the State Department; their complaints were all not sustained. The verbiage we received across agencies appeared to be lifted as though a template was used. Did the EEO top management mandate this? It appears so. I'm no expert but thought that each case was to be considered individually.

One friend at work got vaccinated and immediately got Stage 4 cancer. To say he wasn't forced is ludicrous. OK, he wasn't forced; he was coerced. The federal government was gathering databases about those of us who filed religious exemption requests, our religion, grade, etc., presumably to share among agencies and blacklist us from being hired. Tracking my religion seems flagrantly unconstitutional.

The unofficial leader of the group said that our lawyer commented that some of these people would rather die than admit they were wrong about the shot. I think he's right.

"Conservative" writer Kevin Williamson had an article headlined "Get the jab, Dummy." In an older story about DJT, the headline was "Clueless ape descends elevator." The theme was the lack of civility with Donald. I think about Williamson and his lack of self-awareness.....

It takes all my faith in God not to see these deaths and gloat. We were subjected to so much vitriol.

Since America has largely abandoned God, we've turned into a cult.

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Yep. And they're working hard to make things worse.

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"Weed Macht Frei", the dope generation(s) motto.

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"They want to legitimize their own lifestyle, and the reality is, we’re paying a huge, huge price for this". That sentence applies not just to the dopeheads but also to the militant homosexuals, trans mob and feminists.

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I was a dope head in HS in the eighties. It cost me opportunities growing up that I regret to this day. Even after giving up the demon weed for responsible employment I was one of those liaise fair libertarian types that believed weed should be legal. No more. Maybe I’m just a grumpy old man now, but I can also see more clearly today. To witness a cynical government endorse and promote such behavior is abhorrent. All for profit and power. A total scam upon the people. A self respecting nation would not tolerate such a situation. But maybe that’s the point. We have become a country and society that no longer has self respect. A self respecting country would not tolerate a wide open border and inviting the hordes of the world to take advantage of its citizens. A self respecting country would also not tolerate patently and provably corrupt “selected” leaders openly and notoriously selling government access to the highest foreign bidder. Keep the people stoned and stupid while the looting of the carcass of America continues. Pathetic situation we face today.

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Your journey to increasing clarity ("to see more clearly") reminds me of the well-known journey which author John Dos Passos took towards conservatism over the course of his life.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Dos_Passos

There is something very seductive about the superficial cry for Equality with which the far left recruits young people. It takes time and life experience to see the fundamental lies and corruption which are the hidden truth of far left politics.

I used to think that we would all see these truths as we grew older and experienced life. Now I'm not so sure.

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Isn't the seductiveness of "the superficial cry for Equality with which the far left recruits young people" a function of its origin as a type of judo move--using the weight of our own ideological, the ideological mistakes of our classical liberal roots, against us. Who in America would question that superficial cry? Certainly nobody running for office. And willy nilly policies end up reflecting a commitment to the superficial cry, although it patently flies in the face of reality.

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"...policies end up reflecting a commitment to the superficial cry, although it patently flies in the face of reality."

And. perversely, do far more harm than good.

For example, the left's abortion policy.

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To what extent, Old Frank, do you think the appeal of Hugh Hefner's siren song was heightened by the previous twenty or so years of brutal depression and horrifying war?

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Sex, drugs and rock and roll. I'm still an active player in at least one of those!

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To mix metaphors, the path to perdition starts with a single step...

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Ce n'est que le premier pas qui coute, if I've got that right. Hilaire Belloc quoting the first Proverb-Maker. (The Path to Rome)

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There is hope because the very attempts to eliminate critical thinking in our society outlined above will in turn create a whole new powerful minority of critical thinkers. That's what Covid achieved. 70% behaved like the sheep that they are, but many of the other 30% had their eyes opened and began to see the world very differently. Myself included.

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Aug 5, 2023·edited Aug 5, 2023

A huge amount of institutional trust was exhausted in the Covid Propaganda Campaigns, and it opened a lot of eyes in the 70%. Kudos to the 30% that smelled a rat. I wish I had been better informed.

I have a huge amount of anger / distrust / disgust now towards ALL the forces that pushed the jab and lockdowns. And even more for those still pushing the jab, just evil.

And yes, I am disappointed Trump has not admitted fault for his Covid Mistakes.

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I would rather not add to the comments, but out of gratitude for what he has done for the Country I feel obliged to defend Trump, as if he needs my defense. In truth he does not need our good opinion, and would be better off if he never again has a role in our government. He keeps at it because he is not a quitter, and maybe so he won't have it on his conscience that he didn't do all he could to save the Country. He is a pragmatist, and you don't apologize afterward for having in the past taken the only course of action open to him. In 2024 we will be full "1984", and I am predicting Michelle Obama will be (s)elected 'big sister.' The Obamas are not leaving the White House. Ever.

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I don't think pro and con beliefs about Trump need to be mutually exclusive. He did some great work in some areas, but screwed up royally over the jab. He still needs to apologise for that, not just for the pain he caused, but because vast numbers of his supporters were screwed over by the whole Covid fiasco.

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Covid was not a fiasco. It was a creation of China, major elements of our present government, the WHO and of course our media, and people did die. Intervectin was made practically unobtainable, idiots died by ingesting bleach instead of using it on surfaces and our economic progress under Trump was set back enormously. I don't know if I will ever come to terms with the those elements of the US government, still in power, involved in the murder of its citizens. Trump did what he could against this and maybe should have been more circumspect, so don't vote for him in the future.

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Actually it was a creation of our Deep State.

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I meant to mention, in case people don't know, Birx got attached at the hip to Dr Fauci very early in her medical career. She became the "Accessory HIV/AIDS Evangelist." Now just like with COVID, the whole AIDS/HIV connection has begun to unravel. Birx had her whole career based on that. I do not blame Trump because, remember, he is "old school." His hobbies and interests are "old school." He agreed based on thinking they knew what they were doing. But I view these drs all as traitors. And it began with AIDS--much of what they have told us is not truthful. The CIA weaponized the deceit for their purpose.

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The appeal to "experts" and trust in them is part of the air we breathe in Progressive America. The myth of impartiality--as opposed to the reality of ideological blinders--is part of that. Trump bought into that due to his lack of a solid philosophical base. In fairness, how many of us--with the best intentions--could have resisted that? OTOH, many of us woke up (!) relatively quickly--quickly enough to have made a difference if we had had any power/influence. Trump's inability to admit mistakes--and to understand what led him to those mistakes--is perhaps his Achilles heel. He's not corrupt, like the others.

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Aug 6, 2023·edited Aug 6, 2023

I’m not blaming Trump for his decisions during Covid. He trusted the so called medical experts, and did not realize how corrupt and politicized the medical establishment is. Trump was also dealing with impeachment. And Trump did an amazing job of removing roadblocks.

Where I have issue is his current stance, but I guess part of his persona is never admitting mistakes. In hindsight his trust of Fauci, Birx, big pharma was wrong.

Covid is another area where Trump ripped the masks off, but this time the medical establishment. It’s like he is a Polish mine detector (apologies for the bad ethnic joke - I just can’t think of a better analogy). Perhaps a mine clearing roller is a better example. And every time Trump trips a tripwire causing an explosion, Trump somehow survives. And I don’t think Trump is deliberately setting off these explosions.

Tom Luongo compared it to Trump lubing himself up, and touching a third electrical rail to explain what happened when he called Ukraine on Biden, and got impeached.

AIDS is old news, but from what I have read, it was also horribly mismanaged and Fauci was in the middle. I think he was the villain in the book, and the band played on.

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Yes for years and years I never thought twice about taking a vaccine but no longer. This whole Covid thing has opened my eyes to how people can be manipulated, and the same goes for 9/11 and other "Deep Events." I think Deep State actors were planning to unleash the Covid Op at some point, but Trump's successes forced their hand early. It's too bad so many are paying the price by dying or having enduring health issues now. I never realized any of this until after 9/11 happened.

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Penn and Teller did a pro vaccine video 12 years ago, which is how I thought:

https://youtu.be/RfdZTZQvuCo

Now, I’m wondering…

https://kirschsubstack.com/p/if-vaccines-dont-cause-autism-then

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Trump was influenced by Matthew Pottinger, who we now know is CIA, who enlisted Birx to convince him to do stronger measures. Birx now has gone to another bio company for big bucks and got herself a giant new house to live in. So this CIA stuff pays off I guess.

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Trump was influenced by far too many people.

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And also way too susceptible to flattery.

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