Excellent analysis. In trying to draw the US into an attack on Iran, Netanyahu is well aware that Russia and China will not stand by idly while its new BRICS+ member is destroyed. Israel is trying to instigate WWIII. It's the only way Greater Israel can ever come to pass and its Old Testament destiny of destroying the Gentile nations be realized. We are in a time of great danger.
JERUSALEM, Israel — Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu repeated his opposition Saturday night to a proposal by U.S. President Joe Biden to restore control of Gaza to the Palestinian Authority (PA) once Hamas is removed from power and destroyed.
2. After enough time exchange hostages / prisoners and go back to business as usual. With Israel believing the devastation in Gaza has established deterrence.
3. Second Nakba in Gaza
4. Second Nakba in Gaza, West Bank, and South Lebanon
5. Action by Israel to destroy Herzbolla
6. Turkish peacekeepers in Gaza
7. US attacks Herzbolla
8. US attacks Iran
9. Iran sinks US carrier
10. Russia declared no fly zone over Ukraine
11. U.S. attacks Russian forces
12. Russian forces attack U.S. forces around Israel
The unknowns are:
1. how effective is Israel in dealing with the tunnels?
Author = Ruth Marks Eglash is a veteran journalist based in Jerusalem, Israel. I wouldn't expect her perspective to be anything but what she expresses. This has been a Zionist talking point for decades.
No, I'm not. In fact I've previously pointed out the connection of Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood--are you saying you don't read what I write before you comment? The MB is also close to Turkey and to Qatar--where Hamas' leadership resides. But Qatar is essentially an absolute monarchy--despite its official description as a constitutional monarchy--which suggests that MB is not opposed to all monarchies. So, yeah, I'm saying your favored author Doran is either uninformed or, more likely, pushing a propaganda agenda. The reality isn't anywhere near as simple as he wants you to believe.
Israel feels betrayed by Hamas, that pretended to play nice in textbook deception, "taqiyya". And the high tech wall solution proved to be ineffective.
And Israeli's are noticing Hamas is living by the phrase "from the river to the sea". Plus the horror of the atrocities that moved the Israeli Overton Window on living with the Palestinians.
And Israel is responding with the rhetoric of Nakbar 2.0 and use of Nukes.
And Iran has threatened to destroy Israel as a way to bring the Twelfth Imam, a Shia End of Times eschatology.
So both sides are using Ethnic Cleansing, or even Genocidal Rhetoric.
I'm sure Israel would love the use the U.S. as a cat's paw to deal with Iran, Hezbollah,, etc. The problem is the Democrats would lose the 2024 election probably if they did that with their control of whom counts the votes (they have a proven track record of success in this area, I pray I am wrong), and I am not sure the U.S has the capability. And what of Russian and Turkey?
Same thing with a Nakbar 2.0, the Islamic world would not allow it to happen. Turkey does have a vote. And Russia is in Syria. An Iran's missile and drone capabilities have improved tremendously, and are probably good enough to sink a US Aircraft Carrier.
My guess is once Israel has exhausted itself through loss of people and economic losses, and felt it has done enough revenge to establish deterrence by leveling Gaza, it will declare victory. The issue is how can Israel be made to feel secure that another October 6th won't happen again? There are lots of emotions involved.
Hamas' betrayal has been in the making for over a decade. Israel's patience has run out and feels every obligation to correct this as a bi-product of Oct. 7th. Israel aligns Hamas thinking "at large" with the PLO meaning Hamas now... who's next hence re-thinking "living with the Palestinians" a.k.a. Nakbar 2.0.
Nukes are a bluff IMO. Iran is a bluff IMO. Russia will stay sidelined while providing moral support and military munitions as necessary and quietly. Again, IMO.
Abrams Accords has had some "behind the scenes" positive affect IMO.
Israel's economy while taking a hit will rebound. The lobbyists' and influence of Jewish $$$$ in the US and EU won't allow Israel to fail.
US will continue to be the "cat's paw" as backup.
"The problem is the Democrats would lose the 2024 election" Possibly as you describe control of whom counts. Good thing this event happened on their watch. I'm positive Trump would have handled differently than Zhou's administration and with greater respect than shown Blinken, Nuland, amongst others. Trump wouldn't stand for the lack of respect shown by Arab countries et al.
Russia and Turkey will stay sidelined as I mentioned Russia above. Erdogan's a waffle maker and can't be trusted even by NATO. Turkey's engagement as a NATO member was to build their prestige and status. They don't contribute much to NATO beyond. again, IMO.
"Same thing with a Nakbar 2.0, the Islamic world would not allow it to happen." Not so sure about this given my previous comments and the FoxNews article today. Another example of Abraham Accords in action?
"An Iran's missile and drone capabilities have improved tremendously, and are probably good enough to sink a US Aircraft Carrier." True, however hiding off Cyprus or the further reaches of the Arabian Sea provide some protection. You'll never see a US aircraft carrier stroll through the Strait of Hormuz again.
"My guess is once Israel has exhausted itself through loss of people and economic losses, and felt it has done enough revenge to establish deterrence by leveling Gaza, it will declare victory." Israel is slicing Gaza in half (roughly) and will let Gaza stand after they finish their strategy to reduce the Northern half of most Palestinians. It will become an extension of Israel proper IMO. The remaining 60% or thereabouts of Gaza will IMO stick around to be administered in some new fashion I'd wager. This will reflect the Israeli empathetic side.
Nothing much will change until the hostages are accounted for. That's the ultimate reason for continuing hostilities. I can see their point here. Does Israel do similar by jailing Palestinian citizens for no reason. Yep. Sure. But as usual that is on the back burner for another day to solve if ever.
"The issue is how can Israel be made to feel secure that another October 6th won't happen again? There are lots of emotions involved." Yep and Israel is gonna do what Israel feels it needs to do. Not by design but by choice. Rest of the world including US are along for the ride.
For the sake of accuracy, I propose the following amendment in brackets.
“Israel has relied over the years on the political influence of pro-Israel Jewish populations in the West—again, especially in America [where they are joined by an important pro-Israel segment of Evangelicals].”
So the U.S. itself senses that Israel is potentially deliberately trying to draw Hezbollah in so that big daddy America can come in and “finish off” Hezbollah/Iran once and for all.....” My old man was right, those damn Jews are gonna wind up getting us all killed. Too bad he isn’t around anymore to see it for himself.
this is the crux of everything: Israel appears to have heavily banked on being able to use its various social control technologies—which mostly consists of its various NGOs and global ‘anti-hate groups’ like the ADL—to dictate the narrative around this genocide.
But they failed miserably.
Israel did not appear to have a good bead on the pulse of the global awakening. ...
Times have changed, things are unwinding, Israel is losing control:
‐---‐---------'
Did Greenblatt really say that? I'm wiping my eyes over here.
That's some bad punctuation by me. That is not a quote of Greenblatt. What Greenblatt said is that they totally missed the change in public sentiment, and that it's no longer R/L but instead young/old, i.e., they've lost the young people.
I fixed that just now. Yeah, his whole job is to control the narrative by intimidating people with the dread anti-semite charge, and he knows he failed.
Just watched the video of Pascal Najadi from 4 days ago Rec’d by a commenter on your last post…do you think there is any substance to Najadi’s claim that President Trump is actually in control of the US government? Would appreciate MW’s comments
Excellent analysis. In trying to draw the US into an attack on Iran, Netanyahu is well aware that Russia and China will not stand by idly while its new BRICS+ member is destroyed. Israel is trying to instigate WWIII. It's the only way Greater Israel can ever come to pass and its Old Testament destiny of destroying the Gentile nations be realized. We are in a time of great danger.
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Here ya go. Serving up on a saucer for us. https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/11/18/joe-biden-gaza-hamas-putin/
And here ya go again:
https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/4197930/posts
JERUSALEM, Israel — Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu repeated his opposition Saturday night to a proposal by U.S. President Joe Biden to restore control of Gaza to the Palestinian Authority (PA) once Hamas is removed from power and destroyed.
Talking points for the 2024 campaign, but a lot can happen between then and now.
Seem like a good time to brush up o the Project for A New American Century.
Given all the above, what choice does Israel have now beyond the one laid out before us?
Possibilities:
1. Destroy Hamas and ?
A. Israeli occupation
B. Peace keeper force
C. PLO in charge
D. Leave after declaring Hamas destroyed
2. After enough time exchange hostages / prisoners and go back to business as usual. With Israel believing the devastation in Gaza has established deterrence.
3. Second Nakba in Gaza
4. Second Nakba in Gaza, West Bank, and South Lebanon
5. Action by Israel to destroy Herzbolla
6. Turkish peacekeepers in Gaza
7. US attacks Herzbolla
8. US attacks Iran
9. Iran sinks US carrier
10. Russia declared no fly zone over Ukraine
11. U.S. attacks Russian forces
12. Russian forces attack U.S. forces around Israel
The unknowns are:
1. how effective is Israel in dealing with the tunnels?
2. how many casualties have the Israelis taken?
3. How effective are the Hamas fighters?
Here’s a perspective I shared on MIH weeks ago. Israel knows this. https://www.foxnews.com/world/more-than-million-palestinians-in-gaza-are-now-displaced-why-are-arab-countries-not-opening-their-doors
Author = Ruth Marks Eglash is a veteran journalist based in Jerusalem, Israel. I wouldn't expect her perspective to be anything but what she expresses. This has been a Zionist talking point for decades.
Go figure. Arab countries don't want to go on record as being complicit in the ethnic cleansing of Arabs.
No, I'm not. In fact I've previously pointed out the connection of Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood--are you saying you don't read what I write before you comment? The MB is also close to Turkey and to Qatar--where Hamas' leadership resides. But Qatar is essentially an absolute monarchy--despite its official description as a constitutional monarchy--which suggests that MB is not opposed to all monarchies. So, yeah, I'm saying your favored author Doran is either uninformed or, more likely, pushing a propaganda agenda. The reality isn't anywhere near as simple as he wants you to believe.
There is also the tribal angle.
And neighboring countries remember what the Palestinians did in Jordan, Black September, as well as Lebanon.
And their support for Saddam Hussein.
This is also true. And understandable.
Love your lists.
1) hostages? Can’t forget them with a, b, c, d.
2). Tied to no 1.
3) seems similar to no 1.
4) seems their new intent
5 - rest) pull US into this conflict seems a strong consideration. Israel’s okay with this it appears.
Israel sees this as survival for their way of life. Lobbyists et al outside of Israel agree. There’s no going back. Katy bar the door.
I'm not sure what will happen.
Israel feels betrayed by Hamas, that pretended to play nice in textbook deception, "taqiyya". And the high tech wall solution proved to be ineffective.
And Israeli's are noticing Hamas is living by the phrase "from the river to the sea". Plus the horror of the atrocities that moved the Israeli Overton Window on living with the Palestinians.
And Israel is responding with the rhetoric of Nakbar 2.0 and use of Nukes.
And Iran has threatened to destroy Israel as a way to bring the Twelfth Imam, a Shia End of Times eschatology.
So both sides are using Ethnic Cleansing, or even Genocidal Rhetoric.
I'm sure Israel would love the use the U.S. as a cat's paw to deal with Iran, Hezbollah,, etc. The problem is the Democrats would lose the 2024 election probably if they did that with their control of whom counts the votes (they have a proven track record of success in this area, I pray I am wrong), and I am not sure the U.S has the capability. And what of Russian and Turkey?
Same thing with a Nakbar 2.0, the Islamic world would not allow it to happen. Turkey does have a vote. And Russia is in Syria. An Iran's missile and drone capabilities have improved tremendously, and are probably good enough to sink a US Aircraft Carrier.
My guess is once Israel has exhausted itself through loss of people and economic losses, and felt it has done enough revenge to establish deterrence by leveling Gaza, it will declare victory. The issue is how can Israel be made to feel secure that another October 6th won't happen again? There are lots of emotions involved.
Hamas' betrayal has been in the making for over a decade. Israel's patience has run out and feels every obligation to correct this as a bi-product of Oct. 7th. Israel aligns Hamas thinking "at large" with the PLO meaning Hamas now... who's next hence re-thinking "living with the Palestinians" a.k.a. Nakbar 2.0.
Nukes are a bluff IMO. Iran is a bluff IMO. Russia will stay sidelined while providing moral support and military munitions as necessary and quietly. Again, IMO.
Abrams Accords has had some "behind the scenes" positive affect IMO.
Israel's economy while taking a hit will rebound. The lobbyists' and influence of Jewish $$$$ in the US and EU won't allow Israel to fail.
US will continue to be the "cat's paw" as backup.
"The problem is the Democrats would lose the 2024 election" Possibly as you describe control of whom counts. Good thing this event happened on their watch. I'm positive Trump would have handled differently than Zhou's administration and with greater respect than shown Blinken, Nuland, amongst others. Trump wouldn't stand for the lack of respect shown by Arab countries et al.
Russia and Turkey will stay sidelined as I mentioned Russia above. Erdogan's a waffle maker and can't be trusted even by NATO. Turkey's engagement as a NATO member was to build their prestige and status. They don't contribute much to NATO beyond. again, IMO.
"Same thing with a Nakbar 2.0, the Islamic world would not allow it to happen." Not so sure about this given my previous comments and the FoxNews article today. Another example of Abraham Accords in action?
"An Iran's missile and drone capabilities have improved tremendously, and are probably good enough to sink a US Aircraft Carrier." True, however hiding off Cyprus or the further reaches of the Arabian Sea provide some protection. You'll never see a US aircraft carrier stroll through the Strait of Hormuz again.
"My guess is once Israel has exhausted itself through loss of people and economic losses, and felt it has done enough revenge to establish deterrence by leveling Gaza, it will declare victory." Israel is slicing Gaza in half (roughly) and will let Gaza stand after they finish their strategy to reduce the Northern half of most Palestinians. It will become an extension of Israel proper IMO. The remaining 60% or thereabouts of Gaza will IMO stick around to be administered in some new fashion I'd wager. This will reflect the Israeli empathetic side.
Nothing much will change until the hostages are accounted for. That's the ultimate reason for continuing hostilities. I can see their point here. Does Israel do similar by jailing Palestinian citizens for no reason. Yep. Sure. But as usual that is on the back burner for another day to solve if ever.
"The issue is how can Israel be made to feel secure that another October 6th won't happen again? There are lots of emotions involved." Yep and Israel is gonna do what Israel feels it needs to do. Not by design but by choice. Rest of the world including US are along for the ride.
“These are uncharted waters, and the ship of state is captained by a combination of blind hegemonists and wild eyed ideological fanatics.”
…and octogenarian dotards.
For the sake of accuracy, I propose the following amendment in brackets.
“Israel has relied over the years on the political influence of pro-Israel Jewish populations in the West—again, especially in America [where they are joined by an important pro-Israel segment of Evangelicals].”
So the U.S. itself senses that Israel is potentially deliberately trying to draw Hezbollah in so that big daddy America can come in and “finish off” Hezbollah/Iran once and for all.....” My old man was right, those damn Jews are gonna wind up getting us all killed. Too bad he isn’t around anymore to see it for himself.
Yeah, shame.
$10B appeasement strategy
this is the crux of everything: Israel appears to have heavily banked on being able to use its various social control technologies—which mostly consists of its various NGOs and global ‘anti-hate groups’ like the ADL—to dictate the narrative around this genocide.
But they failed miserably.
Israel did not appear to have a good bead on the pulse of the global awakening. ...
Times have changed, things are unwinding, Israel is losing control:
‐---‐---------'
Did Greenblatt really say that? I'm wiping my eyes over here.
He basically admitted it's a Genocide.
Please confirm.
WOW
That's some bad punctuation by me. That is not a quote of Greenblatt. What Greenblatt said is that they totally missed the change in public sentiment, and that it's no longer R/L but instead young/old, i.e., they've lost the young people.
That’s two major misses now. Intel being the other.
Thanks
I listened to the recording of him on Twitter.
Just as damming but not so explicit.
Gotta say that he must be in panic mode right now.
I fixed that just now. Yeah, his whole job is to control the narrative by intimidating people with the dread anti-semite charge, and he knows he failed.
The fact that he knows he's failed for all the World to see is what makes this so delicious.
Good times are ahead!
I assume that is Simplicius' choice of words.
Cf. my comment above.
Just watched the video of Pascal Najadi from 4 days ago Rec’d by a commenter on your last post…do you think there is any substance to Najadi’s claim that President Trump is actually in control of the US government? Would appreciate MW’s comments
I've never listened to Najadi or read anything by him. No, don't think Trump is actually in control. Sounds totally goofy to me.
No, Trump is not. It’s a crazy idea.
A more truthful comment is if Trump is for it, the Biden Administration will do the opposite.
Lesson: Things can always get worse. Can't stand my neighbors, but no molten lava seaping up.
The volcano eruption will be blamed on SUVs and global warming. Follow the Science.
But think about how much less natural gas they will consume as the lava heats up their neighborhoods. Greta’s doing cartwheels.