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chuck99z28's avatar

Federal contractor mandate just got stayed by a federal judge, nationwide.

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Hemsley Hawes's avatar

Not a scientist but a self-considered shrewd observer of human nature (as all conservatives are) and this theory has a whiff of modified limited hangout to it. A little bit too much like exactly what you would want to fallback to after giving up the Wet Market lie. A little too distracting from the Gain of Function line of inquiry. And why on earth should we believe that our military was conducting or commissioning research into the development of a vaccine? A bioweapon yes and the means to ensure you only affect the enemy and not yourselves too, sure, but the DOD was working on a vaccine for SARS? Yeah, right.

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Mark Wauck's avatar

I don't have the knowledge to critque this in detail, but if you read the early article that I linked, the author was one of the first out of the gate calling the Wet Market story a lie--this is NOT a fallback article and it is NOT an attempted distraction from GOF.

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Hemsley Hawes's avatar

I don't want to impute malign intent to this author or anyone nor impugn their integrity, only to point out that after two years of these very scientific discussions, I'm inclined less and less to defer to the science (scientific speculation?) to explain what is going on, and more and more inclined to go straight to motive -- does it make more sense to me that Fauci et al would take the opportunity of a lab leak for which they are culpable to further foist a vaccine scheme on the world? To accomplish what, make 10 billion dollars instead of 20 million dollars? To cover up their part in the "leak"? not a very good coverup method if that is what they are trying to do. The aspects of the article that seem to suggest they were working on attenuated virus vaccines when something accidently "leaked" is what raises a flag for me. For me it is way more likely that what is going on is the result of a much larger plan that has the backing of a large and influential swath of the elite, and operation cov-sars-2 is just a part of that plan, premeditated in all its aspects, accidental in no way shape or form.

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Tim Lundeen's avatar

More confirmation that the vaccines are the wrong path comes from Bartram. "More vaccinated people appear to be dying from covid than are officially counted. This is also likely to lead to vaccine efficiencies being overestimated." Because the vaccinated have longer mild symptoms, until the infection gets the upper hand and kills them. (Of course proper treatment would still help them heal, they just are not given it.) -- https://bartram.substack.com/p/are-deaths-in-the-vaccinated-delayed

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Yancey Ward's avatar

Typically, I think when your body encounters a novel virus, truly novel, it develops multiple prongs of defense- different antibodies against the different proteins the virus encodes for its replication, plus the killer T-cell defenses that identify virus infected cells. It may simply be that the immune system's "memory" precludes the development of new antibodies and defenses against variants of the same virus. This would be the source of Original Antigenic Sin- the old defenses are generally good enough against a mutant variant, and evolution has selected for those immune systems that don't waste resources needlessly.

If I had to guess, I would say the vaccines that raise only antibodies against the engineered spike protein are in some way interfering with the development of antibodies against the other proteins COVID generates on actual infection. Perhaps the presentation and recognition of those other viral components by the MHC cells is being inhibited by previous innoculation against the spike protein alone. In short, the immune system is "remembering" an infection against the spike protein alone when you vaccinated, and thus isn't generating much of a defense against all the other proteins the virus uses to replicate itself. Sure, the virus needs the spike protein to replicate itself, but any one infected cell produces huge numbers of all of these proteins- interdicting only one of those proteins is going to be far less effective than interdicting all of them at the same time.

I hope I am wrong- that actual infection after vaccination gives the equivalent protection of being infected and recovering without vaccination. However, the evidence is mounting that this might not be the case.

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Mark Wauck's avatar

"the evidence is mounting"

It definitely is. Alex Berenson, for just one example, is citing stats from Wales this morning. 92% of hospitalized Covid patients are fully vaxxed.

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Tamsin's avatar

Regarding polio,

https://www.science.org/content/article/surging-cases-have-dashed-all-hope-polio-might-be-eradicated-2019

"In Africa, the wild polio virus appears to be gone, but the vaccine-derived viruses circulating there are just as dangerous. These strains arise when the weakened live virus used in the oral polio vaccine (OPV) mutates and regains its virulence. In rare instances, where a population's immunity is low, they can spread just like the wild virus. Last year, vaccine-derived viruses paralyzed 105 children worldwide; the wild virus just 33."

At the very least, Geert Vandenbossche is correct that we are playing with fire and might get burned.

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Tim Lundeen's avatar

The polio vaccine campaign in India resulted in dramatically increased paralysis, it's just not from polio. Net results are horrifying, almost 500,000 excess cases in 10 years.

"Our results indicate that the incidence of non-polio AFP was strongly associated with the number of OPV doses delivered to the area. We also observed a dose response relation with cumulative doses over the years, which further strengthens the hypothetical relationship between polio vaccine and non-polio paralysis." -- https://jacob.puliyel.com/paper.php?id=340

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