I spent a fair amount of time last night on the Epstein matter—first, making a transcript of Ryan Dawson’s presentation to Judge Nap, then puzzling over the big picture that Dawson presented.
But that depends on a judge. His view is the 2019 stiff could not have been tampered with or salted over the past 6 years. And the publicity / furor on Epstein has grown great enough get that released.
Is that for sure? My understanding is that Trump SAYS he'll sue, which sounds legally correct since Trump's bawdy drawing hasn't yet been published--only described. Trump also says he doesn't do drawings, but there's a non-bawdy Trump drawing with his signature on it out on the internet this morning.
Hhhmm. That article seems like 4D copium to me, but who knows in this age of smoke and mirrors? It's even more disgusting that the Dems and GOP are using this as a political football to score points. People want answers, not Machiavellian political jousting.
Here's a thought; law enforcement used to be big on asking the public for help in identifying possible criminals.
How about the FBI (or DOJ), take the CDs found in Epstein's apartment, go through them, do their video magic to hide victim's faces, and then post them online asking for help in identifying the sick perverts... sorry... the suspected criminals. 😉
A mansion in NYC, a huge ranch in New Mexico, two islands in the Caribbean, and a home in Florida. That's a lot of real estate and a lot of staff to support it. And a lot of testimony was obtained from the latter which corroborates statements and court testimony from dozens of victims. And all of this took place over decades. You don't need that kind of infrastructure unless the blackmail component was a major feature of Epstein's activities, and therefore likely used to gain influence over many important people, hence the videos. Bondi herself has admitted that evidence in the possession of the FBI reveals that there were/are underage victims of sexual exploitation and logic dictates that the perpetrators must also be visible in this evidence. Bongino has stated numerous times on his podcast that a fellow secret service agent has informed him of an incident involving Bill Clinton on an Epstein flight that strongly suggests inappropriate behavior with an underage girl. These are not trivial matters and attempting to sweep it all under the rug is prima facia evidence of complicity by the Trump Administration. If this issue continues to fester as a coverup, Trump second term is already over.
Mark, and group, I don't know if any of you read Naomi Wolf's substack, I do. I read selected articles that interest me as getting other perspectives is important. For the two Epstein articles here (full disclosure, I haven't read this one fully as I have an appointment to get to). I think her latest is well worth the time to read. Sample:
"What you need to understand, taking this all back to what I believe is President Trump’s dilemma, is that that calculation about the power of “the network,” and the scary losses sustained by crossing “the network”, let alone losing its protection and resources, are not restricted to the Edge Foundation.
All of liberal elite society works in this exact same way.
It is all kind of like the mafia — you may not agree with the capo or some of the dons around you, but you know very well that crossing them means certain destruction for yourself.
Extremely important article. She has first hand knowledge of "the network" and no motives of self interest are apparent on her part for either criticizing it or defending it. What she says about it makes total sense just psychologically. As far as Epstein targeting scientists and intellectuals that appears to be true based on the evidence she presents.
I think Wolf is just exposing the tip of the iceberg here and laying out a framework for further investigation. Think about who is in the "network" and how that network can be used and its components leveraged. The amount of power involved is staggering. In particular think about how they captured the medical and scientific literature to validate their desired societal changes:
The Tech Bros and AI > Herd mentality promotion in service to Transhumanism
The pharmaceutical companies > Promotion of gender dysphoria as a legitimate medical problem and puberty blockers and hormone "therapy" to kids. Results in the weakening of the family and society and reduction in population.
The pharmaceutical companies > Promoting COVID "vaccines" that served the purposes both of population reduction and of disabling of the general population both physically and mentally.
Israel > capturing in real time all the lastest technological and scientific advances made in the U.S.
These are things that come immediately to my mind. Like Wolf I don't know who is ultimately behind all of this but they set up a network of people who were trapped into supporting the end goals whether they want to or not - as long as they continued to prioritize their careers and prestige over the common good.
I find it interesting that such importance was placed on the Russians not capturing those biolabs in Ukraine. Also on how the Iranians made sure to take out the Weizmann Institute of Science in Israel. - an organization that we can now surmise benefited greatly from Epstein's work.
And with Wolf’s nexus pulling in the intellects and scientists, we can see why an obscure math teacher was chosen: a wannabee himself, of comradery (as letterwriter deftly analyses), recognition,limelight, riches, and fun in the sun…sends chills.
There is no question he was pathological. Honestly, I haven't followed the whole Epstein saga that closely or from the very beginning. But I have to wonder who recognized his pathology and his potential utility and therefore picked him and funded him to serve their purposes - and how. And why did they pick him in particular?
And it continues whoever is in power. Trump's FDA just approved continued use of mRNA vaccines despite its head admitting that there have been many deaths and side-effects.
Very disappointing and makes no sense whatsoever based on the REAL science. One might conclude that there are political and/or monetary considerations involved, over and above considerations of the lives of the people they are supposed to be serving. Makary argues the need for "maintaining leverage"? He is arguing that trading people's health and children being put at risk now is worth being able to stop people being gravely injured and children being put at risk later. How much sense does that make? There is no palliative reason for this approach. They already have plenty of leverage to stop this just on the basis of inadequate testing and adverse real-world results; especially when mortality and disability are involved. I expected better from JFK, Jr. and Makary.
A bit long winded but an excellent overview of just how far this guy and his backers dug their tentacles into society. I had to laugh when Noami quotes her husband as "wondering if the President is acting uncharacteristically in response to some serious unnamed threat (or threats), perceived or actual." Yah think?
Long winded, yes many of these substack posts are, but it contained some great inside information as well as an accurate portrayal of what's been taking place.
Wowww…so our top scientists and intellectuals were a big draw…yeah, for the big bucks and feeling part of “the nexus.” And wouldn’t ya know, Harvard figures prominently…tx for the post Kat. It’s jaw-dropping, going along to get along on a massive scale by people you would think (?!) had some…scruples?
Oh yeah and now you know why so many scientists led the world down a scary path with these pharmaceuticals. When you look back to the Obama years the Jewish tech titans were the most frequent visitors to the white house.
Intellectuals and scientists get lonely too, and crave "good conversations" with those who might think about some of the topics they are interested in. Meeting up every once in a while slots in nicely to a busy life and I could see dinners like that being very appealing. And then one mixes a bit of business with pleasure and there's your career. Popular writing, household name... and "every social scene is a mixed bag, don't be a puritan"
There is such a callous disregard for life, just the pursuit of goals that benefit their agenda. I’ve made reference in the past to an article by Emerald Robinson about a year ago. She reprinted a letter given to CCP leaders by a retiring Chinese General. It was chilling. He spoke of being invited and then attending a WEF sort of meeting with USA elites who were quite willing to eradicate a substantial number of citizens with a bio weapon for population reduction and control. This was in the 90’s. They’ve been planning this for a while and the pace is picking up.
As Simplicius the Thinker just said, Epstein refuses to go away because it is of existential relevance. It goes to the heart of what is rotten with the body politic in the West. Two thoughts linger: what kind of distraction is the Deep state going to mount to try and take attention away from this wildfire? And when do the real power brokers behind Trump decide that he is a liability and has to go?
Now that Trump said it's no big deal and we should move on, they are clamoring for "everything" to be released (even though, as Shipwrecked has laid out, a great deal of it is already out there thanks to 20 years of litigation), and the WSJ has, on cue, just "revealed" a laughable, unsourced "letter," of which there is no copy but implicates Trump.
As Atty. Childers points out today at C & C the DS/Dem machine had 4 years to load the Epstein files with poison pills and booby traps, but Trump has just outmaneuvered them, yet again, by telling Blondi to release the grand jury transcripts. From 2019 and the prosecutions best case to convince a jury, in presumed secret, why the trial that never occurred should proceed.
To be honest, Greg, I have no interest in the political dog fighting over this. I don't care a damn if the Dems are pulling a hoax or if Trump is 4D checkmating them. I just want to know who was diddling kids, why they are still breathing, and which of the Deep state intelligence agencies is blackmailing them. Those are the key questions we need answered and not which party can get the most political leverage out of it all.
I personally strongly suspect that the talk of releasing the GJ testimony is a diversionary tactic. Yes, I'd like to see the pervs get hammered--including those like Alan Dershowitz who kept their underwear on while getting massaged. But I suspect that's a diversion from the main action that might come to light from following the money laundering trails and from discovering what tech or politics or other valuable intel areas the people on the lists were involved in--and then doing a deep dive on that.
As an example, if you have Bill Gates a regular guest at your place, who knows, maybe his own suite and rotating personal assistants, then what could that be good for? Relocation of some big, profitable subsidiaries to Israel? Most billionaires are probably good for something if they feel chummy enough.
Wall Street just dropped a Trump Epstein letter based in Hearsay. Trump’s suing.
Jeff Childers writes that Trump is asking the grand jury info of 2019 to be released:
https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/honeypot-friday-july-18-2025-c-and?
But that depends on a judge. His view is the 2019 stiff could not have been tampered with or salted over the past 6 years. And the publicity / furor on Epstein has grown great enough get that released.
"Trump’s suing."
Is that for sure? My understanding is that Trump SAYS he'll sue, which sounds legally correct since Trump's bawdy drawing hasn't yet been published--only described. Trump also says he doesn't do drawings, but there's a non-bawdy Trump drawing with his signature on it out on the internet this morning.
You are right on suing, it’s threatened right now. As Steghorn pointed out, there is so much smoke and mirrors.
And one of the authors is married to the founder of Fusion GPS
https://twitchy.com/samj/2025/07/18/so-the-wsj-reporter-who-broke-the-trump-letter-yeah-wow-n2415851
Hhhmm. That article seems like 4D copium to me, but who knows in this age of smoke and mirrors? It's even more disgusting that the Dems and GOP are using this as a political football to score points. People want answers, not Machiavellian political jousting.
what a huge load of BS
why have thousands of videos and cameras in every room
why 13 yo girls.
why
$1.5 billion?
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/17/business/epstein-banks-wyden-trump.html?unlocked_article_code=1.XE8.b91O.1E-pGLZf2wL9&smid=url-share
Gotta laff when people like Michael Tracey say there was nothing going on.
"They raided his property and they found just trunkets of photos and CDs and all. This is CDs. That's how long ago that was."
CDs, CDs. Hmmmm
Didn't the FBI find "CDs" when they raided Epstein's NY apartment?
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/crime/jeffrey-epstein-ghislaine-maxwell-new-york-fbi-b1971344.html
Why yes, yes they did.
Here's a thought; law enforcement used to be big on asking the public for help in identifying possible criminals.
How about the FBI (or DOJ), take the CDs found in Epstein's apartment, go through them, do their video magic to hide victim's faces, and then post them online asking for help in identifying the sick perverts... sorry... the suspected criminals. 😉
Just... throwing this out there:
https://gab.com/KeepNHGranite/posts/114864390356750132
Wow. The internet is great.
A mansion in NYC, a huge ranch in New Mexico, two islands in the Caribbean, and a home in Florida. That's a lot of real estate and a lot of staff to support it. And a lot of testimony was obtained from the latter which corroborates statements and court testimony from dozens of victims. And all of this took place over decades. You don't need that kind of infrastructure unless the blackmail component was a major feature of Epstein's activities, and therefore likely used to gain influence over many important people, hence the videos. Bondi herself has admitted that evidence in the possession of the FBI reveals that there were/are underage victims of sexual exploitation and logic dictates that the perpetrators must also be visible in this evidence. Bongino has stated numerous times on his podcast that a fellow secret service agent has informed him of an incident involving Bill Clinton on an Epstein flight that strongly suggests inappropriate behavior with an underage girl. These are not trivial matters and attempting to sweep it all under the rug is prima facia evidence of complicity by the Trump Administration. If this issue continues to fester as a coverup, Trump second term is already over.
Great write up, and opened my eyes beyond the blackmail angle.
Robert Maxwell was also involved in money laundering for Israel.
The $ sums are staggering for Epstein. Both his wealth, and the payouts to the victims.
Not bad for a college dropout and maths teacher. There's hope for me!
Sorry Steg! You’re overqualified for the position, both intellectually and morally!
Maybe, ML, but I've got to get my daughters through college somehow!
I hear you!
Imagine billionaires throwing that kind of money at a college dropout with no obvious creds. Stranger than fiction.
Mark, and group, I don't know if any of you read Naomi Wolf's substack, I do. I read selected articles that interest me as getting other perspectives is important. For the two Epstein articles here (full disclosure, I haven't read this one fully as I have an appointment to get to). I think her latest is well worth the time to read. Sample:
"What you need to understand, taking this all back to what I believe is President Trump’s dilemma, is that that calculation about the power of “the network,” and the scary losses sustained by crossing “the network”, let alone losing its protection and resources, are not restricted to the Edge Foundation.
All of liberal elite society works in this exact same way.
It is all kind of like the mafia — you may not agree with the capo or some of the dons around you, but you know very well that crossing them means certain destruction for yourself.
So: everyone aligns."
https://naomiwolf.substack.com/p/the-network-in-the-worlds-of-the?publication_id=676930&post_id=168516979&isFreemail=true&r=8t0x5&triedRedirect=true
RTWT, it offers something in addition Mark's focus on the geopolitical issues and this explains some aspect of "the network" and why this was buried.
Extremely important article. She has first hand knowledge of "the network" and no motives of self interest are apparent on her part for either criticizing it or defending it. What she says about it makes total sense just psychologically. As far as Epstein targeting scientists and intellectuals that appears to be true based on the evidence she presents.
I think Wolf is just exposing the tip of the iceberg here and laying out a framework for further investigation. Think about who is in the "network" and how that network can be used and its components leveraged. The amount of power involved is staggering. In particular think about how they captured the medical and scientific literature to validate their desired societal changes:
The Tech Bros and AI > Herd mentality promotion in service to Transhumanism
The pharmaceutical companies > Promotion of gender dysphoria as a legitimate medical problem and puberty blockers and hormone "therapy" to kids. Results in the weakening of the family and society and reduction in population.
The pharmaceutical companies > Promoting COVID "vaccines" that served the purposes both of population reduction and of disabling of the general population both physically and mentally.
Israel > capturing in real time all the lastest technological and scientific advances made in the U.S.
These are things that come immediately to my mind. Like Wolf I don't know who is ultimately behind all of this but they set up a network of people who were trapped into supporting the end goals whether they want to or not - as long as they continued to prioritize their careers and prestige over the common good.
I find it interesting that such importance was placed on the Russians not capturing those biolabs in Ukraine. Also on how the Iranians made sure to take out the Weizmann Institute of Science in Israel. - an organization that we can now surmise benefited greatly from Epstein's work.
And with Wolf’s nexus pulling in the intellects and scientists, we can see why an obscure math teacher was chosen: a wannabee himself, of comradery (as letterwriter deftly analyses), recognition,limelight, riches, and fun in the sun…sends chills.
Based on first-hand evidence this is worth considering, in addition:
https://celiafarber.substack.com/p/jeffrey-epsteins-close-friend-told
There is no question he was pathological. Honestly, I haven't followed the whole Epstein saga that closely or from the very beginning. But I have to wonder who recognized his pathology and his potential utility and therefore picked him and funded him to serve their purposes - and how. And why did they pick him in particular?
And it continues whoever is in power. Trump's FDA just approved continued use of mRNA vaccines despite its head admitting that there have been many deaths and side-effects.
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/fda-commissioner-responds-critics-be-patient-us-covid-19-vaccines
Very disappointing and makes no sense whatsoever based on the REAL science. One might conclude that there are political and/or monetary considerations involved, over and above considerations of the lives of the people they are supposed to be serving. Makary argues the need for "maintaining leverage"? He is arguing that trading people's health and children being put at risk now is worth being able to stop people being gravely injured and children being put at risk later. How much sense does that make? There is no palliative reason for this approach. They already have plenty of leverage to stop this just on the basis of inadequate testing and adverse real-world results; especially when mortality and disability are involved. I expected better from JFK, Jr. and Makary.
A bit long winded but an excellent overview of just how far this guy and his backers dug their tentacles into society. I had to laugh when Noami quotes her husband as "wondering if the President is acting uncharacteristically in response to some serious unnamed threat (or threats), perceived or actual." Yah think?
Long winded, yes many of these substack posts are, but it contained some great inside information as well as an accurate portrayal of what's been taking place.
Wowww…so our top scientists and intellectuals were a big draw…yeah, for the big bucks and feeling part of “the nexus.” And wouldn’t ya know, Harvard figures prominently…tx for the post Kat. It’s jaw-dropping, going along to get along on a massive scale by people you would think (?!) had some…scruples?
Oh yeah and now you know why so many scientists led the world down a scary path with these pharmaceuticals. When you look back to the Obama years the Jewish tech titans were the most frequent visitors to the white house.
Intellectuals and scientists get lonely too, and crave "good conversations" with those who might think about some of the topics they are interested in. Meeting up every once in a while slots in nicely to a busy life and I could see dinners like that being very appealing. And then one mixes a bit of business with pleasure and there's your career. Popular writing, household name... and "every social scene is a mixed bag, don't be a puritan"
They thought - and still think - that they are untouchable. Ethics are for the plebs.
There is such a callous disregard for life, just the pursuit of goals that benefit their agenda. I’ve made reference in the past to an article by Emerald Robinson about a year ago. She reprinted a letter given to CCP leaders by a retiring Chinese General. It was chilling. He spoke of being invited and then attending a WEF sort of meeting with USA elites who were quite willing to eradicate a substantial number of citizens with a bio weapon for population reduction and control. This was in the 90’s. They’ve been planning this for a while and the pace is picking up.
Quite
As Simplicius the Thinker just said, Epstein refuses to go away because it is of existential relevance. It goes to the heart of what is rotten with the body politic in the West. Two thoughts linger: what kind of distraction is the Deep state going to mount to try and take attention away from this wildfire? And when do the real power brokers behind Trump decide that he is a liability and has to go?
The DS move seems already to have been revealed.
Now that Trump said it's no big deal and we should move on, they are clamoring for "everything" to be released (even though, as Shipwrecked has laid out, a great deal of it is already out there thanks to 20 years of litigation), and the WSJ has, on cue, just "revealed" a laughable, unsourced "letter," of which there is no copy but implicates Trump.
As Atty. Childers points out today at C & C the DS/Dem machine had 4 years to load the Epstein files with poison pills and booby traps, but Trump has just outmaneuvered them, yet again, by telling Blondi to release the grand jury transcripts. From 2019 and the prosecutions best case to convince a jury, in presumed secret, why the trial that never occurred should proceed.
To be honest, Greg, I have no interest in the political dog fighting over this. I don't care a damn if the Dems are pulling a hoax or if Trump is 4D checkmating them. I just want to know who was diddling kids, why they are still breathing, and which of the Deep state intelligence agencies is blackmailing them. Those are the key questions we need answered and not which party can get the most political leverage out of it all.
I personally strongly suspect that the talk of releasing the GJ testimony is a diversionary tactic. Yes, I'd like to see the pervs get hammered--including those like Alan Dershowitz who kept their underwear on while getting massaged. But I suspect that's a diversion from the main action that might come to light from following the money laundering trails and from discovering what tech or politics or other valuable intel areas the people on the lists were involved in--and then doing a deep dive on that.
I hope that happens, Mark. I really do.
As an example, if you have Bill Gates a regular guest at your place, who knows, maybe his own suite and rotating personal assistants, then what could that be good for? Relocation of some big, profitable subsidiaries to Israel? Most billionaires are probably good for something if they feel chummy enough.