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I believe Trumps greatest hurdle is self inflicted

Trump appears to believe his ' chaos negotiation ' is a great negotiation skill

However, the problem with chaos negotation in world politic - is the other party does not shake hands and leave and the deal is completed - the other party sticks around for basically ever

The point being, chaos negotiation may work in a land or business transaction, a one time deal, a short term deal - but does not work diplomatically with another Country

I do not believe anyone in Russia has any motive to ' believe ' Trump will keep his word or that Trump will truelly honor any treaty/agreement. Chaos is great perhaps in negotiation, it is at least a valid negotiation tactic - but not great when another country has to - hope - you will keep your word, when every indication is that you will change your mind tomorrow.

I just do not know how Russia will do it - and every indication is

Russia will now insist on UN recognition - not just Trumps word.

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Thanks for your well expressed and well supported arguments. I think everyone here would agree that no one (including Trump) is going to "pull a fast one" on the Russians. That is to the benefit of all of us, I believe.

I think many of us admire Putin because he is fearless in sticking up for principles that have traditionally been intended to promote order and defend nations and western civilization against chaos and war. His nation's survival being threatened has focused his appeal to these principles.

These principles include morality grounded in religious faith, honesty, mutual respect, a shared sense of responsibility, rationality, and realism. Fundamentally, a recognition of Natural Law. These are principles propounded in Western political thought and which we thought were held by our own leaders but have discovered are not held by them. So we are put in the position of hoping that Putin and like minded leaders can prevail upon our own leaders to bring about their recognition of this moral rectitude and reality.

A real-world corollary to this is Ukraine having to suffer total military defeat before Western leaders will recalibrate their own views and desires. How much more it takes than that and how long it takes beyond that remain to be seen. Regardless, you cannot come to a "deal" without a common understanding of what that deal entails and without faith that all parties will adhere to it. We are simply not there yet, when one of the parties exhibits neither moral compunction nor regret nor recognition of reality.

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