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Phil Hawkins's avatar

Organizations tend to get corrupted, one way or another. The Reformation was caused by the immorality and corruption of the Renaissance popes. (Barbara Tuchman's book "The March of Folly" has a good account of this.) The "mainline" Protestant denominations in the US adopted liberal theology more than a century ago. Now they are dying. For one example, the Episcopal Church in the US has half the members it had in 1960--while the US population has doubled since then. They still have money, buildings, and clergy; but they are having more funerals than weddings and baptisms. Ryan Burge, a sociologist of religion, has predicted they will likely disappear by 2040. The others aren't much better off. I do not find it surprising that the Roman Catholic church is heading that way as well.

I have read several of Dreher's books. I agree with him on some things, but not on a lot of others, especially about living as a Christian. I have little interest in human traditions and liturgies and denominations structures--they can always be captured and subverted.

My personal belief is that real Christianity is not about what you do in a building on Sunday. It is about how you live all week long. There is very little in the New Testament about what happens in the assembly; there is a lot about how to live. In my lifetime, I have known people who were Christians first and Catholics second; I have known some who were Catholics first. Likewise, I have known people who were Baptists or Methodists first; but there are some who are Christians first. As long as there are organized denominations, we will have that issue.

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Coincidentally, yesterday the Western Journal posted an article noting the Pope addressing Homosexuality. Initially and, per the headline, it appeared quite apalling. He says Bishops who opposed LGBTQ+ behaviors are to undergo "A Process of Conversion". Sounded like Woke-Pope (evidently I'm not very good at being 'catchy') initially I was thinkin' the Gloom and Doom of Faith had another new low to see. Some, but not quite that far out there...

While there is room for discussion and disagreement in the subject, it took some effort to find in that article what I believe to be true: Loving the sinner isn't loving the sin. I'd also note criminality of behavior is dangerous ground these days - no one (well, not many) thinks murder should get a pass while some think homosexuality should be encouraged (& etc., ad nauseum).

What I believe to be true is Marxism/socialism needs Faith in God to be reduced so that replacement-faith in Gov't can gain control. As our 'Separation of Church and State' constitutional intention is further eroded and its meaning inverted, God is being separated from the public square and our culture becomes increasingly diseased. A pretty specific inversion it is, indeed.

Thanks to Mark for offering this difficult subject up for discussion here and to all readers who, like me, appreciate the opportunity provided. (WRH)

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